Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

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  3. TanyaLovesPooh

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    Wow....there has been a lot of posting since yesterday.

    I wonder what happened over the weekend to make Kate file? It had to be more than Jon's little media stunt.

    Madge...where are you? We expect some news on this today. :rotfl2:
     
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    I know many have been saying they should have gone to counseling, but that's kind of hard to do when one party has already checked out of the marriage and excited about their new life.
     
  5. TanyaLovesPooh

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    Exactly.
     
  6. newtodis

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    Below are comments from the previous thread:

    I wondered the same thing....why not just wait until the following day?

    I thought the houses were cute on the outside but seemed very small and slightly dangerous with the kids slamming doors and stuff running in and out. I'm sure they calmed down after the "newness" wore off but still. And the insides, is it just plywood?? Maybe that's why they put the stickers up inside to "decorate" a little bit? The Crooked House guys really seemed to have a good time.

    Agreed. I personally cannot stand those things - no one, except maybe the President who has people who take his calls, is that important that you can't take a break...

    Totally sad. I could have spoken a lot of the words Kate did last night about my own relationship...I pretty much cried through the entire episdoe (and the season premire they showed before)...

    I don't think he "hates" the show. I think he's upset for not speaking up and just going along with things for so long. He said something about that in the interview part, about how he's standing up now and getting a backbone or something like that. I think that's where the tension and such is coming from.

    I'm not so sure about the job offer....

    I thought that was an odd word to use describing their situation.

    I would think if you're moving mommy or daddy in and out constantly and you cut off every other person they're used to seeing at the same time, that could be even more tramatic for them. For the time being, trying to keep things as "normal" as possible with the cameras there is probably for the best - phase them out slowly over time.

    Yes....everything's organic. That was clear :rotfl:

    I laughed when I saw that last night and knew it's be a "hot topic" this morning!

    I think Kate was asked a question because (if I remember right) she said something like "how will the show go on? "the show must go on"?" I don't think she was making a statement so much as trying to throw the phrase in there while answering the question.

    You find the best articles! You can't leave!! :flower3:

    I say the same things - "my kids, my room" whatever...I guess that didn't really stand out to me.

    Yes he really seemed disconnected or something like that....maybe wasn't sure what to say because he didn't know what Kate was going to say in her interview??? I think there must be a contract involved to some extent that they cannot get out of if Jon's continuing to do the show. I thought it was weird that he said he might get a job offer - is something already in the works???

    Parents in general "loose" their identity. I'm no longer me, I'm Corbin's mom or Carter's mom and I'm 100% ok with that! Jon will always be Jon and Kate Plus 8 - it will be around forever in cyberspace and with the books and people aren't just going to forget. You can't just walk away from something like that IMO.

    I think Jon said last night that he was trying to more stand up for himself and speak his mind and that's where the problems were stemming from - because he'd been so quiet for so long.

    I agree too - I don't think anyone can "pin" this on one person at this point. Based on what was shown just last night, I would totally put it on Jon 120%. Because I'm a bit more "knowledgable" (thanks to the DIS!!) than the adverage viewer, I think it's more split than that but I only know what's reported and what's shown by TLC at this point.

    I do think it matters - at least in SC and MI - who files first and how the paperwork is filed.

    I agree with your comments regarding Jon.

    I wasn't impressed with his choice of words to describe his situation at all. I don't think his age has anything to do with it and I'm not sure why he felt he needed to keep bringing it up, unless that's an "excuse" to him - like "I'm only 32 and I never got to do xyz.". I think that's crap personally....you chose to have kids, now you need to grow up and deal with that - you can't go back in time and if you could, would you want to??

    Now they need to do an episode like they did on the Real Housewives of New Jersey and show how they're training the dogs to protect.

    Totally agree!!

    I don't think Jon spent months preparing a space for the houses - it didn't appear that way when he was clearing the land at least. It also didn't seem like they'd talked about it. IMO, they should have already had the land cleared before the trucks even got there - how rude to expect others to wait on you to get something done that should have prior to their arrival.

    I *think* that neither have been together in so long that they probably texted each other or something and no one really knew where the other one was talking about. I agree that the houses were probably safer up by their house with the kids still being small.

    I think it's another darned if you do/don't topic. Had they just parted ways, people would have continued to speculate and as it's been pointed out, the legal documents are public record so it would have come out eventually. I think, just my opinion, that when you have a "reality" show, it should be addressed - maybe not the way it was last night, but in some fashion.

    No I don't think anyone actually said anything, it just popped up on the bottom of the screen.

    Agreed!

    Aww - you have to at least come back and post cute puppy pictures every now and again!

    I've started thread 5 (obviously) in case anyone wants to continue to discuss.

    I'm sorry....

    I kind of got that vibe too....

    That would be an interesting question to know the answer to! I don't know that we ever will.
     
  7. blissventure

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    I hold them equally accountable. She rarely loves, honors and cherishes, and he? Well, he checked out to find someone who would. Neither gets cool points from me.

    Married or divorced, they need counseling. They are going to have to learn to treat EACH OTHER with some respect, and work as a parental team...or the kids will continue to suffer.
     
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    In case anyone is interested:

    Jon and Kate Gosselin haven't slept together in months, RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively.

    The reality-show couple will announce their divorce next week, as RadarOnline.com reported exclusively on Thursday. And even as the cameras have rolled for the new season of Jon & Kate Plus 8, a troubled marriage in front of the camera has been a nonexistent union off screen.

    Kate has consulted a divorce attorney and Jon plans to file divorce papers next week, a source close to the situation told RadarOnline.com. As America has helped them reach record TV ratings in the past few weeks - nearly 10 million people tuned in to the season premiere on TLC -- more drama was unfolding behind the scenes. "Jon and Kate haven't slept together in months. Jon doesn't even like to come in the house when Kate is there," the source told RadarOnline.com.

    Jon has been living in sleeping quarters in the garage. He has not shared a bed with Kate in months, the source said. Their on-screen fighting and bickering pales in comparison to the off-screen chill that exists between them, and Jon has done everything he can to avoid his wife, according to the source.

    The marriage has been dying slowly for a while, says the source. In May, Kate's brother and sister-in-law, Kevin and Jodi Kreider, told RadarOnline.com that, "Six months ago Kate came to Jon and said, 'Hey, it's over.'" But the couple stayed together and RadarOnline.com learned that they recently moved up the time table for splitting, as tension between them grew.

    The source close to the situation told RadarOnline.com that Jon reached the point where he didn't want to be in the same house with Kate, much less sleep with her. Us Weekly previously reported that Jon was having an affair with Deanna Hummel. Her brother, who lived with Deanna, told the magazine that he had spent nights at her house.

    Jon and Kate spent their 10th wedding anniversary apart last weekend and have been photographed together infrequently in recent weeks.

    But Jon was photographed with another woman - after he moved on from Deanna. RadarOnline.com exclusively reported he was seeing Hailey Glassman, the daughter of the plastic surgeon who performed a tummy tuck on Kate.


    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...clusive-jon-kate-havent-slept-together-months
     
  10. FergieTCat

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    Do you think this will take the air out of the sails of the tabloids, Jodi, Kevin, Julie, GWOP, etc.? What else is there to say, except to continue the cry that they are "exploiting the children."
     
  11. newtodis

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    According to this article, Jon told Kate he was going to file but the previous People article posted said Kate filed....I wonder what happened????

    Kate Gosselin isn’t the only one with bad, bad feelings toward Jon Gosselin.

    Some of honchos behind Jon & Kate Plus 8 have been furious with him for weeks because the soon-to-be ex-Mr. Kate Gosselin keeps disappearing during filming, RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively.

    The reality of filming a show suddenly centered on a bad marriage is that Jon can’t stand being around Kate, so for weeks he’s been taking off to avoid her. That’s left the show in a bind at times because there’s been little or no interaction between husband and wife. And we all know the best drama is watching a couple that hates each other interact!

    A source close to the situation told RadarOnline.com that there have been many times that no one can find Jon when the cameras are rolling and that has infuriated the show bosses.

    Jon and Kate will announce their split next week, as first reported by RadarOnline.com.

    Jon has told Kate that he is going to file divorce papers next week, says the source.


    http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/06/exclusive-jon-gosselin’s-disappearing-act-ticks-show
     
  12. newtodis

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    New Blog from Julie:

    Tuesday, June 23, 2009
    Waiting
    I keep reading that the PA Department of Labor is investigating the show. To my knowledge, people who have filed complaints and have actually been present during filming have not even been acknowledged, interviewed...nothing!

    Mr. Petersen is also experiencing the same frustrations.

    http://www.minorcon.org/waiting.html

    What can explain the failure of folks to make use of the communications tools as close as their computer or telephone? Is it just me, or do others wonder why the higher-ups at TLC, the Pennsylvania Department of Labor and Industry, or the so-called professionals surrounding Nadya Suleman can't bring themselves to pick up the telephone and call A Minor Consideration?

    Is there some reason the team around Jon and Kate just can't see their way clear to involving the premiere experts in the totality of the risks unique to children in entertainment?

    Is it guilt or fear? Those are poor excuses when the welfare of dozens of children is at stake.

    It is absolutely clear that mistakes have been made by parents and production companies alike, and that whatever advice and counsel may have been sought has been sickeningly misguided.

    "What we have here," said Strother Martin in "Cool Hand Luke," "is a failure to communicate."

    It is the height of corporate irresponsibility to employ children in profit-making endeavors and pretend that there are no consequences…now or in the future.

    Generations of parents who exposed their flesh-and-blood to celebrity have learned to their sorrow that they didn't know best.

    State labor officials need to recognize how dangerous their lack of knowledge of the production process can be when children are employed, especially in reality shows, which are all show and no reality.

    The legal advisors to those named above might want to take a look at the principle of Disaffirmance, for I can promise you that when the kids you are employing get around to calling us on their 18th birthday every dollar you think you saved by not treating them fairly will be multiplied a hundred-fold.

    Count on it

    A Minor Consideration does not engage in "I told you so" if that is your concern. We deal in the present and the future as only we know it.

    There is no excuse for child abuse.

    And finally, if there is anyone in the White House who wants to know how the $68 million dollars committed to global child labor the President just announced might be better spent right here at home, you're welcome to call, too.

    Paul Petersen
    Posted by The Truth Will Set You Free at 7:42 AM


    http://truthbreedshatred.blogspot.com/2009/06/waiting.html
     
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    one more thing my husband noticed last night.. and then I'll stop posting for a while.. (because I have to get SOME work done today lol)

    kate said something about how it took longer to put up the crooked houses than expected because jon hadn't cleared the land like he said he was going to so I guess they had to wait a bit on that and then they had to take time to convince him that the houses needed to go closer to the house (which my husband and I both agreed on)...

    but basically kate is STILL trying to blame everything on jon.

    my husband said "why did she have to say all that? why couldn't she just have said it took us longer than we thought to get the crooked houses up and then move on from that topic?"

    which is so true.

    I told my husband the way I see it is this... Kate used to be up front and just say hurtful things to jon to his face and he would just take it.. now that she knows he is angry and won't talk to her, she can't do that anymore.. so the only way she knows how to do it is in round about, passive aggressive ways... kate still is putting jon down but in a backhanded, sneaky way..

    "we had to wait on jon to put up the crooked houses"
    "I'm doing everything for MY kids (making it look like jon isn't)"

    even when they mentioned the separation last night.. kate said something like "it's not my ideal situation" or "i'm not really fond of doing this".. in other words.. KATE doesn't want to get separated but Jon is forcing her into it.

    ugh! can't she fess up and admit she has done ANYTHING wrong????
     
  15. Geoff_M

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    I didn't say that he had spent months preparing the site, I said he had spend "time" over a period of months. Jon stated that he had first worked on the site during the Winter with the removal of trees, stumps, etc. Last night he appeared to leveling the clearing he had earlier created. My point was that Kate had plenty of time to look at, or talk about the site selected. By her own admission she said that she hadn't seen the site even though he had been working on it. What prevent her from at least walking down to the site while Jon wasn't around even if they weren't proactively talking about it? Since when has be decided to be "shy" to Jon about expressing an opinion? If I were Jon. I'd have hit the roof when Kate pulled that last minute stunt. I don't think it was calculated on her part or malicious, but indicative of the behavior that can cause others to throw up their hands and walk away.
     
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    QUOTE=Epcot luvr;32396314]Kate from what we have seen does seem to cut people out of her life. It is Kate's way or the highway. I do believe she will cut Jon completely out of her life and not make an effort to co-parent, that is not her style. IMOP, her statement to People that she had to file yesterday because of Jon's actions over the weekend was her first of many temper tantrum outburst to come. I have grown to like Jon, maybe because I have 2 brothers and a husband. I can laugh at how guys are and I roll with the punches, not literally. Guys are guys and from what I know of the men in my life you can push them only so far and they generally will take it. But they do have a breaking point and I do not think Kate ever though Jon might have one. The kids will be better off as long as this show comes to an end, does not seem likely though.[/QUOTE]

    I'm quoting this from the other thread because I agree with you. I think Kate will get nastier and nastier. I don't see her holding back and not talking bad about Jon to the kids which is a horrible thing to do to your children.

    I also wanted to add that I think that first Utah skiing trip was a turning point not only for Jon but I think that is the point that Beth checked out also. At one part of the show Mady made some comment and the look on Beth's face was very telling. AFter that show we didn't see Beth on the show very much or at all.
     
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    The "he said", "she said", "he did", "she did", is basically irrelevant now.. They are getting a divorce and there's no going back - according to both of them..

    The only thing left to be concerned about now is the extremely poor judgement they displayed last night by using this news as a ratings ploy and having it preserved for all time - for their children to see..

    In doing so, the media craze that is bound to follow this big "announcment" will cause more troubles and heartaches for those children than anyone could have ever imagined.. It will be hard enough for those children to deal with their parents divorcing without having had it splashed all over the media..

    What were they thinking? Or were they thinking at all?? Once again, they chose to make their children's emotional well-being their last priority.. What is it going to take for them to realize that they need to get out of the limelight in order to serve their children's best interest?

    After last night, I don't have a clue.. I don't think there is anything that anyone could ever say or do to convince them that it's time to pull the plug..

    Those poor kids..
    :sad1::sad1::sad1::sad1::sad1::sad1::sad1::sad1:
     
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    No...there will be too many details to dish throughout the divorce. If J&K don't want the attention, they'll either sit down and share the details so they're not discovered, or find a way to have them sealed somehow. If/when the show stops, people will have nowhere else to go for their "updates" on this family and will rely on the p people for those...it's a vicious cycle. I wonder how long it will be before the next round of pictures and accusations???
     
  19. huey duey & luey

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    Originally Posted by NYDisGuy
    Kate has treated him horribly throughout the course of this whole show. I also haven't seen Jon get a new haircut, chemical peels, and walk around with hundreds of dollars worth of clothing either. This obvioulsey was a loveless marraige and he wanted to explore other options. Yes divorce sucks, but it happens with 50% of Americans. And for people saying this will hurt the kids, it won't be the divorce but the continuing TLC covereage and Kate going on her "book" tours that will ultimatley hurt them.



    you haven't? I have seen him get hair plugs, 2 earrings go to the gym, go skiing,buy a new car. Also, Ed Hardy jeans and sweatshirts that teenagers should be wearing aren't cheap either. I do not think Kate is blameless. I do agree with her when she said there were fundamental differences in the marriage. However, the fact that he is excited about the next phase in his life, speaks volumes about him as a person

    sorry Buckalew: posting at the same time. GMTA
    guess this hould have been here
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    Maybe the PA Dept. of Labor don't see any violations, and don't feel a need to answer to Mr. Petersen. I guess Mr. Petersen considers himself the ultimate authority (and yes, I know who he is and what "A Minor Consideration" is but I still think he was off base).

    I don't think the children are being exploited. I think they have a very passive role in the filming. They just have to be and the camera films them. They aren't being forced to stand under hot lights for hours on end without anyone looking out for their best interests. Granted, I don't know what goes on behind the cameras but I seriously doubt it's anything drastic.

    Additionally, I guess I was right. The marriage has already been destroyed; looks like the delightful Julie isn't going to stop until she destroys Kate as well. She, Jodi, Kevin and GWOP deserve to marinate in their own nasty swill.



     
  21. TanyaLovesPooh

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    By the same token, Jon could have asked her where she thought the houses should go before he started. Point is they both could have handled the situation differently.
     
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