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  1. Ariel224

    Ariel224 DIS Veteran

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    Don't think they can do this, as Puerto Rico is a US territory and a cruise with only a CC stop can't start and end in different US ports.
     
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  3. woody73

    woody73 <font color=darkorange>Enjoyed the Pumpkinmen<br><

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    Perhaps if DCL "banks" the necessary dockings, they can offer something special, like Southern Caribbean cruises.

    Woody
     
  4. FJS961

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    ^^^ what she said.

    I also stand corrected. Actually it was DCL who needed to correct its pricing on the late august 2014 cruise(s).

    I was able to book the eastern 8/23/14 cruise for a relatively reasonable price!! :cool1:
     
  5. rosermama

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    If they go to St Marteen would that work or is it the rule they can't start and stop in different US ports period.

    I thought it was they had to stop in one foreign port, these laws are too complicated
     
  6. PrincessShmoo

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    The rule is "a foreign-flagged ship cannot transport a passenger from one US port to a different US port without a stop in a distant foreign port. A distant foreign port is defined as any port not in the Caribbean, or North America".

    The law for closed loop cruises (beginning and ending in the same US port) is that they must stop at any foreign port (near or distant).

    It's called the Passenger Vessel Services Act (PVSA).

    :cutie:
     
  7. kcashner

    kcashner DIS Veteran

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    That's exactly what I was hoping, Woody. Several years ago they had just a few 10 and 11 night Caribbean cruises.
     
  8. truck1

    truck1 Growing older but not up.

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    When a line negotiates the number of port visits, they look at how many days a week, and how many ships, then count the number. That number is the 1 in the contract. For example, the DCL ships call on PC 3x a week, (Dream 2x Sun and Thurs, and the Fantasy 1x on Saturdays) x 52 weeks is 156 times per year. Subtract the number of sailings a ship would miss due to drydock and your back to 152 (the Dream would miss at least 4) assuming that the papers got the accurate number and not a close enough. I dont think that weather conditions will affect that part of the contract as its an act of God. Even if the true number is 150, it pretty much guaruntees that the DCL ships wont stray far from PC. It allows a little bit of flexibility in the number of days that the ships can sail, but thats about it. (think the 10 day trips the Magic did, or the 5s the Dream did for a little while.) Theses numbers are decided long before a line decides on where to send its ships and for how long. DCL lately is putting out itins about 18-20 months in advance. The contract is until 2023.

    As far as the fine, that came from when DCL sent the Magic to California and Europe in 05 and 07. When she left, the total number of port calls dropped by about 50.(roughly 25 per year in the years that she was gone). The fine(the amount of money the port was owed for the missed port calls fees) was negotiated out at the last minute by DCL and the Port in order for DCL to get the Port to pay the lions share of the port upgrades for the Dream class.Also in the contract is a clause that if DCL does it again, the Port can open DCLs terminal to other lines.

    There was a report on the radio today as well as in the paper on why all 4 ships are in Fl for at least part of 2014. According to DCL, the Magic is back due to the soft economy in Europe. The Wonder most likely due to the continued unrest in Mexicos Pacific coast. I wouldnt be surprised if the Wonder goes back to Cali to go to Alaska again. As far as a 3rd PC ship, it makes perfect sense. For Disney the most popular cruises are the 3/4 sea/land combos. Its a win win for them. With the Wonder pretty much filling, and now the Dream, it makes sense for DCL to try out a 3rd ship and see what happens. I wouldnt be a bit surprised if the 3rd ship becomes semi permanent offering either additional 3/4s to CC,Nassau or doing something slightly different like 5s or 6s.
     
  9. rosermama

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    Darn it

    Oh well I knew you could clear it up for me.

    I still would like to see some southern Caribbean cruises out of san Juan
     
  10. maria-fan-22

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    The 3/4 night cruises out of FL are basically how a cruise line can make tons of money fast. The longer the cruise, the more things the cruise line has to offer out of their own pocket and can't charge much extra for these... I think DCL is definitely trying to persuade more people to visit WDW and trying to restock the bank account. These Fl cruises are fast cash in the cruise industry. pirate:

    I also added up the cruises and DCL has 141 planned departures form PC planned for 2014 so far. They only need 9 more to satisfy the contract. They could be planning on longer cruises for the Dream and Fantasy, but August-December seems and odd time to plan them. Though they in theory could send the magic to Asia, but they have her tied up in PC until may and by then it's almost too late to head over there soo... we shall see.

    I also checked the Magic and she is done in PC on May 19th, this could give enough time to sail anywhere and be ready for cruises in June, she could in theory be almost anywhere by the second week of June so... I don't know keep those thinking caps on!
     
  11. cris0809

    cris0809 Might be why the rum is always gone

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    I'd really love to see a few southern sailings but I know people have been asking for those for a while... :confused3

    We have a late August '14 Fantasy reservation and will sail that if nothing else interesting comes along.
     
  12. Ariel224

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    Thank you, Shmoo, for explaining that much better than I ever could. I'm now wondering, though, how does a "cruise to nowhere" fit into the PVSA?
     
  13. PrincessShmoo

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    It's a closed loop cruise, with no stops. No foreign port required.

    :cutie:
     
  14. lodge

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    Oooo, you've got me all thrilled now! I NEVER thought of that!!!
     
  15. lodge

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    btw... give me some cruises to nowhere in conjunction with WDW anytime!! I'm on board!:thumbsup2
     

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