I don´t want to bring bad news but....

Discussion in 'Disney Discount Codes and Rates' started by danny25, Dec 31, 2012.

  1. lisateaches

    lisateaches Mouseketeer

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    Free dining is what lured us into a spur of the moment (like a months notice) trip six years ago. Since then, we have gone three more times on FD. I am anticipating that the dates will not work for us anymore, so I'm planning on no FD.
    I have been watching prices and I told my husband our trip might be further in the future than we thought. Honestly, with inflation, every year I feel like we make less and less. I guess I am thankful we could swing it four times in six years.
    Our next trip is to Walnut Grove and my DD 10 is ecstatic. DD 4 will be another story.:rotfl:
     
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  3. twoplustwins

    twoplustwins DIS Veteran

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    Our 2013 trip will most likely be our last for a very long time. My kids are interested in doing other things. DH and I would also like to see other parts of the country. I love WDW though.:love:
     
  4. WILDERNESS FAN 55

    WILDERNESS FAN 55 CANNOT GET ENOUGH

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    Finally someone posts a good reason for not going. Not all this nonsense about prices. Don't be surprised if you make it back sooner than you think !In the meantime enjoy making memories across this great nation .
     
  5. Srbright

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    Shaden is correct. You do not seem to know the meaning of gouge; and believe me when I say that you are quite likely not the only person managing mutil-million dollar businesses on this board.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gouge Transitive Verb
    Gouge: to subject to extortion or undue exaction
    Extortion: to obtain from a person by force, intimidation, or undue or illegal power

    So, as to your other comment about people who "are smart enough not to allow Disney to gouge them with uncompetitive pricing." De facto that makes the assumption that people who stay on property with the dining plan stupid (the opposite of smart). I don't agree with that so lets run some numbers.
    Figures. Math. Math is great.

    Value resort for the time I want to stay is $90 per night. Expedia says that there are 15 hotels within a 10 mile radius that are under $75 per night. Average seems to be at the high end, about $70.

    So, $70. To which I have to
    1) Add transportation to and from the airport.
    For 3 nights at $122 round trip for the family, that adds $40.66 per night to that hotel room. Obviously the longer I stay the cheaper it is. So say I stay for 6 nights. Now that transfer is down to $20 per night.
    2) Add in parking at the parks (which I get free for staying on the property) at $14 per day

    Already for my "less expensive" off property hotel I have gone from $70 per night to $104 per night (Not including taxes).

    Now we start with intangibles.
    1) The ability to GET the discounts we are speaking of. You can't save $1000 if you haven't chosen to stay on property.
    2)The ability to get on a bus without driving. That has value to myself and my family. After a long day in the park the last thing we want to do is fight traffic getting out even if it means stopping at 5 resorts before we get to ours.
    3)Extra magic hours
    4)Package delivery to the resort. Those damn bags rub the blue stuff onto me.

    Now, does that mean that I think that there aren't 10,000 people out there that don't believe the way I do? That $29 per night for a Knight's Inn room is fine for them? Or a $100 time share spiel suite where you listen to them talk for 2 hours to get a room is great? Sure there are.

    It is all a matter of perspective and experience. Someone that lives in a place with a low cost of living will look at WDW and freak out over the prices. I've posted several times on this. Having traveled extensively, $200 a night for a hotel room is not uncommon. My boss wouldn't bat an eye if I turned that in on an expense report. Going to some of the places we have plants he would ask me why I wasn't staying in the approved hotel at $250 per night.

    I live in Detroit. Likely the prices aren't the same where you are so my experience and definition of "value" is absolutely different from other people. A combo meal at McDonalds here is $6.50. More if you something other than a hamburger. Chicken sandwich is $7.50, salad is $7-8 dollars. So to go to Disney and pay $12 for a QS meal that is twice as big as a McDonald's meal is not outrageous at all.

    I've been to Key West and New Orleans and paid more for table service meals than I ever have at WDW. This weird little restaurant in Key West that looks like someone's back yard with chickens running around in it...(I didn't order the chicken on the menu) was 15% more expensive than what we had at Cali Grill and was of comparable quality and quantity. Only with wild chickens instead of a view of the Night of Joy at MK.

    If there wasn't demand, there would not be supply. You apparently run a multi-million dollar business. Is it or is it not good business sense to charge what you can to your customers to the limit of what they will pay while balancing out the curve? Typically the curve settles at just below the junction of the two so economically speaking Disney is not charging what it *could* and still make a similar amount of money. The problem with this is that it becomes personal to people. "Disney is pricing ME out of going". Because it affects them on an immediate level there is a higher level of connection or let down when the pricing isn't what they think it should be.

    There is no substitute good for Disney and the complimentary goods (the hotels in the area) will keep pace with the primary good. Add to that the fact that Disney's marginal cost is almost negligible (what is one more unit/person on a bus or in a room or in line for a ride) but the same cannot be said for the substitute goods outside of Disney because of the lack of similar scale. But I'm sure I don't have to explain the economics to you.

    There are plenty of us out there (as obvious by the fact that Disney is still in business) that will go without a discount because with both the financial side and the intangible goods we believe it is a good value (terrific in my case). But that doesn't mean we aren't smart.

    Stacy
     
  6. Halbleib1

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    Disney knows that people book while waiting for a discount. They read these boards and others like it. Also people tell the agents that they are hoping for a discount. They want to fill rooms. Not have people cancel because of a lack of a discount. Esp. when even after the discounts they are coming out way ahead. If they were not they never would have begun to offer discounts. I do not think that they will pull the free dining offer from the values this year. The economy is still not that great and if some are to be believed it is going to get worst this year. Time will tell though. I was expecting higher crowds this December. Other years that we have gone at the same time with free dining was alot more crowded esp. leading up to Christmas week. That didn't happen this year. Crowds were pretty low with wait times for most rides 20 mins. or less. Except for the popular ones that usually have a long wait time whenever you go.
     
  7. skeettafic

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    We're booked for Nov 2013. Right now, the DDP is included in our package. We were hoping for FD as that is what has been offered the past few years. That would be about an $800 savings for us. The QSDP is about a $550-600 savings (didn't figure it out exactly). It would cost about $200 for us to upgrade so we'd only be looking at a total savings of $400 from rack rate so we'd really have to break down the menus to see if it makes sense to do that or not. Honestly, my son is so picky, I'll probably just pack him peanut butter sandwiches the whole week so maybe I should skip it anyway!:confused3
     
  8. tinkbyday

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    Wouldn't people booking up rooms without a discount result in no discount being offered or a less discount being offered? I mean, if everyone is putting down deposits and booking up rooms at full price, why would any business need to discount the product as deeply or as much?

    I would think that if the majority of travelers held off booking until the discount came out, it may result in greater discounts.
     
  9. Srbright

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    Disney has thought of a way around this. If I don't make the reservation at least 6 months in advance I run the risk of not being able to find the dining reservations I want. Added to that some people's desire for a River view or preferred room and people almost have to book without a discount.

    Stacy
     
  10. mom2rtk

    mom2rtk My, what red cheeks you have, Santa!

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    As much as I want certain ADRs, I won't pay rack rate for a room at Disney to get them. That's a pretty hefty price for a few days head start. There are only 2 or 3 ADRs you might not get with the +10.
     
  11. aaarcher86

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    Sure, but lots of people don't want to pay rack rate for their trip and go ahead and book their room to take advantage of the 180+10 and/or feel like they are securing their dates/room. They'll just cancel if nothing comes out or change their plans.

    It's something Disney is aware of.
     
  12. Tarheel girl 1975

    Tarheel girl 1975 Supposed Former Fastpass Hoarder

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    Most people don't do this. The average guest books WDW about 14 weeks in advance. We DISers are just above average!

    Last year, there was very limited availability for value resorts when free dining came out for Visa cardholders. Lots of people booked mods, but downgraded once the values became available later on.
     
  13. scottmel

    scottmel <font color=darkorchid>Does my logic in my origina

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    Any thought to a discount after June 14th, Danny25: :)
     
  14. aaarcher86

    aaarcher86 DIS Veteran

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    I'm sure we'll be waiting a few months for the next round of discount news.
     
  15. feet1

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    We are planning a trip mid sept and have our fingers crossed for the free dining...we are thinking of POFQ since we have stayed there in the past and loved it...We want the dining plan with 1TS/1QS if it's just the QS free dining, does anyone know how much money it is to upgrade to regular dining plan? we have 6 in our family, so the free dining would really be a big savings for us and could make or break the trip...
     
  16. KELLY

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    The QSDP alone save us almost 1500.00 since we are going for 2 weeks. We prefer not to be tied down to ADR's. I am so glad we booked bounce back last year.
     
  17. aaarcher86

    aaarcher86 DIS Veteran

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    There is a thread with upgrade costs on the dining board.
     
  18. feet1

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    thanks!
     
  19. asmit4

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    Thanks for the info....errr....potential info :) :)

    We are hoping to go in November right before thanksgiving (like the weekend before, not for thanksgiving) OR in October and were hoping for free dining. If we don't get free dining (at a value) we'll likely just go with a 2 bedroom at Bonnet Creek as it's just about as 'onsite' as you can get and provides us with more room.

    DW has to do what they have to do for their bottom line/shareholders and I gotta do what I gotta do for my pocketbook too :)
     
  20. aubriee

    aubriee <font color=brown><marquee>Chocolate always makes

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  21. asmit4

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    Can someone explain why people are getting warned for mentioning offsite options like bonnet creek? What kind of disney mafia is running these boards?????
     

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