Discussion in 'Disney Rumors and News' started by crazy4wdw, Feb 18, 2007.
Guy with no kids spends a night in Cinderella's Suite
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I like how he invited another family to come with him...he's hilarious...and I'm jealous!
I read your article and had to respond. This man sounds like a pig, "naked in the bathtub" comment and is obviously not a parent and completely unable to experience what Walt Disney intended his parks at their inception. You did not deserve to have this experience and the only hope that I have for you is that you were smart enough to bring along two people that may actually appreciate what you had the opportunity to do.
True - but he completely experienced what the parks have become today: a crass commercial enterprise with no heart, no imagination and no soul. He became park of Disneys huge marketing machine, just like the parks are now nothing more than one giant commercial for selling Disney. The parks no longer attempt to create something new, they just repackage and strip that which already exists.
Naked in the tub is far less crass than the roller skating tequila shot babes down at
Pleasure Island, the guy thrusting his camera in my families face when we want to look at the castle, or the you want to see a princess, cough up fifty bucks for a meal scam. Whether its overpriced concierge level rooms for hotel services that everyone used to get, blocking the exits to rides with shops and trinket carts Disney has more than its share of porkish behavior.
The Year of a Millions Dreams is pathetic and deserves to be ridiculed on many different levels. From Disney insulting us that a pair of slave-made MouseEars or a free churro is a dream, or that things they used to do every day as a matter of principle are now special and out-of-the-ordinary, the profound elitist smack of most dreams
Walts philosophy was that everyone should be treated the same. If everyone didnt get a chance to spend the night in the castle, than no guest should. But today for every little girl that has her dream night staying in the castle, there are going to be millions that dont. The magic of Disney was that they figured out how everyone feel special.
But today only the selected few are treated like that.
Bravo, Another Voice. You hit this one out of the park. I couldn't agree with you more on your reply. The "Year of a Million Dreams". Give me a break. I am so tired of the tv commercials promoting this farce. Oh and the "Look honey, it's only $1,600 for a week" one is an even bigger joke.
I like how they talk about the memorable interactions between Cast Members and guests. Forged the mouse, duck, bear (we ripped off) and the rides. We want you to go on vacation so you will be able to share all those memories of how great our minimum wage employees were.
Give me a break.
Thanks for a great post.
I took this as a joke.
he said so himself
Would you make it so the winners had to undergo a Disney Test. His money was as good as mine when he bought his ticket.
Hmmm, well, that's certainly one point of view. However, I like WDW. I'm not sure what Walt would do if he were in charge today.
I think I agree with Another Voice. Everyone should be on a level playing field at WDW. But that went out the window decades ago. The thing that ticked me off about the article, and made the YOMD marketing ploy go down notches in my opinion, is that HE DIDN'T WIN IT. No one won it that day. Disney sold it! How many little girls were in the park that day hoping they would get picked and were disappointed?
I'm not sure that Disney sold it so much as they offered press access to the experience and the reporter's organization requires that it not receive the experience gratis, and so payed for an agreed upon value. I doubt WDW decided they needed another $600 that day and so chose not to award the experience.
I'm sorry but I don't understand people who don't "like" Disney waste their time on forums like this. Besides, I think that in the end despite sis hesitation the author of the article seemed to really enjoy himself. I know that there's marketing in Disney. There's marketing in everthing. Disney World is a place were children can first realize that dreams can come true. And adults can breifly escape the real world and all it's troubles for just a few days. It's a place to live in magic for just a breif moment. It's all about using imagination. I wish the prices were less but I also wish the prices at the grocery store were less and that homes didn't cost so much --- but they do. And as far as "A million dreams" - it's marketing yes - but I'm sure if feels special to those who do win. Ask the first family that stayed in the castle. Or a little girl that was presented with a tiara. Or just the person turning a corner and given a delicious cupcake. I bet it feels a bit like a dream to them. I know that when I go to Disney later this year. I'll be hoping that maybe I'll be given a "dream" but either way - I know that Disney World will supply my family with a vacation full of magic memories. (despite the cost and marketing)
Really? Is that the same Walt Disney who designed and created an exclusive Club above Pirates of the Caribbean so he could make people feel more special... The man who would personally escort certain guests through Disneyland, and creating a whole department of female ambassadors and tour guides when the job became too much for just him to handle? The man who deigned to give the first guest to enter into Disneyland the equivelent of a lifetime pass, simply for being in the right place at the right time? (Sounds quite a bit like the Year of a Million Dreams to me!)
Tell me its not that "Walt's Philosophy" that you are talking about... or are you just confused?
P.S. That would be the same Walt Disney who would fire talented artists, but keep on incompetant directors, simply because they were related to him (Ron Miller, and even worse, the man who Walt referred to as "his idiot nephew.") Right...?
There is a huge difference between not liking Disney as a whole and not like the direction the company has been going in. Im sure 99% of Disney critics are here because they want change, to bring back at least some of the things that Walt did which made Disney so unique.
While I don't necessarily agree with the entire article, and I don't always agree with Another Voice, I understand the point of views and overall understand the problems at hand.
Sure, there are also a lot of people who will continue to go to Disney no matter how much goes wrong (even after total disasters like DinoRama and DCA), but there are others who know things need to change.
Huh? Interactions between guests and cast members are part of what should make WDW a great vacation. I'm missing your point here (unless it was sarcasm) - don't you think a Disney vacation should be about more than just the characters and rides?
I really like how all the ferns and potted palms come out when you write anything against Disney marketing.
Because Disney seems unable to figure out for itself what is "good" and what is "bad". We, the guests, are the only ones left that understand what "Disney" really is. We either get Disney back, or we let the spark go out.
I prefer to think that Disney can be great again.
It was a club for business relations of the company. At the time had a lot of sponsorships and was very active in the business world. The company needed a place to entertain partners at it's flagship loction. Some companies have a board room, some companies have a "conference center" in Vail, Disney had his park.
Simple rule - everyone buying a ticket to Disneyland has the same opportunities as everyone else buying a ticket.
Any one who wanted a guided tour could buy a ticket for one. There was exclusion there - it was a service available on a first come, first served basis.
I like how you're angry Walt didn't conduct all the tours himself. That's so reaching for a point that it's really, really funny. I bet your scream and yell at McDonald's when the clown himself doesn't give you your Happy Meal.
Wow, if this offended you then you must have real problem functioning in the real world. This was a very mild joke that I thought was amusing. I've heard worse from clergy members on the religious channel. Frankly, I'm surprised your cult allows you to use computers. They are the devil.....
I agreee. People who have been Disney fans for about five minutes have NO idea how great things used to be and how Disney was more than a cut above the rest. This refers to its theme parks, animated and live action films and its Cast Members.
Those who feel this way are not nit-picking, we just remember how great things were before the bean counters took over running the company to the tune of the almighty dollar with every other consideration excluded.
Well if you're upset that Disney gave a castle night to a reporter.. brace yourselves..
For one night each in July -- someone ELSE won't win the castle night stay, or the Mickey Penthouse night at DL -- because the winners of a Disney sponsored contest in Canada will.
*gasp* Canadians in the Castle? Call security.
On a more serious note... the parks have changed and not always for the better. I'll admit that much for sure.. and there are many things Disney could be doing better than they have been lately. Maintenance for one has fallen by the wayside. Burnt out lightbulbs, chipping peeling paint and less frequent cleaning throughout the park are my biggest beefs.
But a stupid contest? Really? You're gonna hang your hat on that? Ok, well let's take a look then shall we?
To argue that 'everyone was always treated equally' based on equal ticket footing in the past is a joke at best and full-out wrong at worst.
Families were selected to be Parade Grand Marshalls going back to the early days of Disneyland in California. Everyone had the chance, but not everyone got the nod.
Families were selected for private meet & greets with Mickey & Minnie going back for a long ways. Everyone had the chance, but not everyone got the nod.
How is a night castle stay any different? When you can explain that, you can try to argue with me again that Disney is treating everyday guests on different levels -because- of YOAMD and not because that's how they've ALWAYS done things.
If anything.. things have gotten better in the randomness department. Disney used to pick very nice-looking, all American (read white).. families to be the parade marshalls. Never pick anyone without kids except for the lovely grandparents (also white).
It is worth noting VIP guests have always been on a different level - and they pay dearly for that opportunity.. same as anyone with money can do. Those without money -- good luck. That's the way it has ALWAYS been at Disney.
You want to spend a night in the castle? Buy a ticket, and go to the park. You're on equal footing with everyone else who shows up that day between opening and about 10:30am.
OTOH, If you have 12500$ you could join Club 33 at Disneyland. Currently it's about a three to five year wait unless you know someone at Disney HQ who can speed you through the waiting list.
Initially THAT was for corporate partners, but eventually -- by the time of Walt's death, it was about money.
If you had it, you pay the initial fee and annual dues and you could use that facility, if you didn't - gee too bad, thanks for nothing, here's a cookie.. oh btw, that'll be a buck twenty for the cookie..
THAT is an example of inequity and treating people differently on a purely financial or even worse on a 'who you know' basis and THAT started in 1968 or 1969.
How does that jive with the "Simple Rule" ??
That's full-on horse-pucky going back to the day the park opened. The parks were never set up as the great equalizer. Quite the opposite, the more connected you are, the more money you have, the greater the 'experience' you could arrange. You just didn't know about what the connected were getting at DL in 1955. But trust me, they were getting it.
Personally I've had some amazing behind the scenes tours at Disneyland at Disney World that were not offered to the general public. Is it fair that I got those because I knew someone at Imagineering who was kind enough to offer me the opportunity? No. But *I* was the one who knew them and *I* got the opportunity.
An honest contest with truly random winners is NOT an example of discrimination, rather it IS the equalizing force. It's a freaking contest or in legal terms - a sweepstakes.
Everyone has the equal chance of being in seat 2 of the firstlog as it returns to unload at Splash Mountain at 9:17am.
And no.. my 'dream' is not a churro. But gosh-darned-it.. if you give me one, I'll eat it and I'll enjoy it because I was surely going to buy one or five anyway.
Everyone pines for the 'good ol days'.. But realistically a lot of the things I find you're complaining about.. were present on my very first visit to the parks. If they went back to maintaining the facilities to the level they did even in the late 80's, I'd be thrilled.
But that won't happen till people complain at Guest Services in large enough numbers.
Hmmmmm, I wonder if I'm a fern or a potted palm? Is there a way to tell for certain? If I have a choice, I think I'd prefer palm.
I think it's very difficult to discern how an ever living Walt Disney might have responded to the changing world around him, and what that would mean for the direction of the company.
I haven't been in love with everything that Disney has done since his death, nor do I think that it has been one long slippery slope of bad calls. Just as it may be legitimate for some people to bemoan the course things have taken, it is equally legitimate for others to be happy.
I think the real mistake in a discussion like this is to believe there are black and white answers, and right and wrong points of view.
My guess is that the visionary management of a multi-billion dollar, international enterprise is a fairly difficult affair. I've seen examples of decsions and investments that I thought were great, and others that I thought weren't, but on balance--as a frequent guest, everyday fan, and modest stockholder, I'm pretty pleased.
Yes, because its so symptomatic of all thats gone wrong.
Theres nothing wrong with advertising, you have to spread the word somehow. The big problem I have these days is that all Disney focuses on is the message and they ignore any sort of substance.
We get the Year of a Million Giveways and one little girl gets to spend the night in the castle. Shes thrilled, Disney gets a spiffy article in the girls hometown newspaper and am I sure well have cameras following around the night Regis gets lucky. Nice P.R.
Or Disney could have taken the same money and built a really nice walk through of the castle. It would have giving a chance for every little girl to have her own audience with a princess in her very own castle. Think how exciting it would be all those girls to actually see Cinderellas rooms and to actually talk to the princess right there in her own sitting room. Its one thing to meet her on the street, but inside a castle adds extra magic.
Thats the real difference; its Disneys priorities. Disney used to create great shows and attract people by what they had to offer. Million Dreams is a short term gimmick, a scam thats an ad campaign and not a real part of the park. Disney is substituting the sizzle for the steak.
A lot more people would show up for a really great world-caliber attraction over time than there will ever for this marketing event. Its money wasted down the drain.
Frankly, Id be happy if they just kept their free churros and cut the admission price by a buck.
"A really nice walk-through of the castle"
Umm.. yeah. The logistics would be a nightmare. There simply isn't enough space.. Forced perspective a b****. There isn't nearly as much room inside there as everybody thinks.
And where does the line form? Look at the likes at Mickey or Minnie's place over in Toontown.. where you gonna put those queues? In an 800 sq foot suite up three flights a tiny old rickety elevator?
Ok if you did THAT (safety issues aside) then where are you going to put the attraction? To hold the lines, they'd have to build space out from the castle to hold the throngs of princess-meeters to be..
And then kindly old park curmudgeons would be upset they added to the castle.. "taking away from the magic."
I don't see how this would or could ever work... short of cutting space from the Royal Table dining room... which is a great place to meet Cinderella for 50$ a head I guess.
But your point is well taken.
I will say that I like the shows.. Nemo, Lion King, B&B.. those are pretty darned good. I guess they don't count?
I will also say that I was deeply saddened when they got rid of the Golden Horseshoe at DW. I miss it. But.. things change.
And yes.. I'd be thrilled if they cut the admission. But we all know THAT ain't going to happen.. So in the mean time, I will take my free four dollar churro that cost them 35c .. and eat it gladly.
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