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  1. pixiewings71

    pixiewings71 <marquee><font color=deeppink>Sweet!!! Totally!!!!

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    Don't let your friends gets discouraged......encourage them to learn more, to come here and learn more, to visit pinpics.com, to visit dizpins.com. I know how they felt, I felt the same way when I first learned about scrappers...what was worse was learning that I had unknowingly contributed by buying lots of 100 pins and trading them all, well mostly all of them. But now I know and I learned all that I could and I know I've got some scrappers but I also know that 95% of my pins are good. :)
     
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  3. alexatty

    alexatty Earning My Ears

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    Hello to all. Myfirst post. I am collecting and studying the vinylmation pins. There's a lot to tell about my studies so far but I want to warn the collecting crowd that I believe a fair number of those Urban 3 pins being offered on ebay are scrappers. So far, there seem to be 7 different. Not sure about the Watermelon cghaser. I have not bought any of those individually. Some of these Urban 3 pins have a back design that LOOKS like the correct configuration of the Mickey head design (ears flow out THROUGH the edge) and then they are the correct thickness. But the giveaway is in the Mickey ears inside the 2009 logo. On these, the ears appear to be on stems rather than just a transition to the head. These are dangerous because they look pretty good. They are also the first ones where the letters in the words AUTHENTIC and ORIGINAL in the date seal are doubled and apppear to have serifs. The scrappers of all the prior vinylmation sets I have seen have these letters engraved as a single line, without serifs. There are a lot of die junk marks on the back of these pins as well indicating that whoever did the reverse dies did not clean the plates very well. Finally the 2009 logo on these is quite flat looking. On the ones I have seen that come from boxes, the ribbon across the center of that logo is a lot thicker (higher in relief).To complicate it, there are some other pins in the Urban 3 set that are indeed thinner and have the partial border around the reverse edge, as with the scrappers of Parks 2 and Urban 2. Scrappers. I have one pin in the set of Urban 3 that comes both ways. These pins hit the ebay sales even before the pins were released. A good magnifying glass is a good tool to have in looking at these tiny details on the backs. I'll send in more observationss later. For now, be cautious but Happy Collecting! By the way, sellers I have noticed that appear to be selling these are the already-named, usual, suspects. But there may be others.
     
  4. Shellybells82

    Shellybells82 Earning My Ears

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    Hey everyone. First off THANK YOU for this thread. I purchased a lot of Disney pins last month from zoom_time. Every last one was a scrapper... Of course, I didn't know what a scapper was until I did some research and found this thread. I then looked up each pin that I had received from Zoom_time and compared it to the Pinpics site. Some of the pins were ridiculous. Missing chunks of color, metal uncut in spots, some characters without eyes, paint rippling, etc... I asked and received a refund but am not sure my feedback I left him will show up as the ebay auction was cancelled when I received my refund. Just wanted to let everyone know NOT to buy a single pin from this guy. He knows he is selling nothing but fakes and is unapologetic about doing so.
    On another note, we just got back from our annual Disneyland trip and it's sad the amount of scappers out there. I think 90% of the HM pins I saw on lanyards were scappers (and it's funny how 20 CMs all happen to have the same 3 WDW HM pins). Honestly, all this counterfeit business has kind of ruined the fun for me :confused3
     
  5. scuba

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    I'm sorry, I think we are all missing the point of the whole trading thing, everything we do in our lives is filled with BAD and pin trading is no exception.

    If you see a scrapper on a CM laynard then I suppose you could point it out but in alot of instances I have been told by CM to go to EBAY and buy "lots". No one is holding anyone prisoner and made to trade a pin you don't want. We have lists here now to identify sellers of scrappers and real pins but the truth of the matter is....you can only be sure it is real Disney only if you bought it at real Disney.

    I've bought several lots before trips for our DD4, I've used this thread in attempts to buy real pins. The truth of the matter is after completing her pin-trading transaction with a CM I've looked at the pin and felt it was probably a scrapper however the real satisfaction came when my daughters eyes lit up to see a Tinkerbell pin on a CM lanyard she didn't have. The reason why there are even bad Ebayers out there is because it is satisfying our desire to buy "LOTS" or even single pins because we are interested in saving a little money.......

    I'm not telling anyone anything they don't know....a pin at Disney, even rack pin costs what $6.00? Ebay lots are at times as low as $.99 cents. It's really a no brainer, no one could stay in business even on ebay if he was buying pins at even $3.00 and selling them for $.99 cents, unless they were fake and they actually paid $.50 cents for them. I've read even the most experienced pin trader is buying lots at a huge discount.....I say you get what you pay. even a fake disney pin is probably worth $1.15.

    You control what you buy, don't buy, trade or don't trade....that is really the only way anyone can control this whole pin thing....having a list is helpful but you should expect 100% of the pins bought at the sub $3.00, maybe even as high as sub $5.00 range to be suspect and a fake...that way you shouldn't be disappointed. There are honorable pin sellers, I get that. Rolex watches are not $100.00 dollars either and I hope no one has bought one for that thinking it was real.

    I just purchased several lots from green sellers from Ebay for our Disney cruise and resort vacation February, This thread has indeed been helpful in trying to direct me in the right and honest direction but i'm somewhat tired of folks buying pins for sub $2.00 and complaining then they were all fake.....what really was anyone expecting at $1.15 a pin?...

    there are fake everything out there, One of the best Cigars I have ever smoked was a fake Cuban cigar. Darn if I know what brand it might have been, i've been trying to find the real maker for a long time. The experience is still one of my most satisfying, as smoking cigars with my father goes. I would expect that real serious pin trading folks know the difference between a fake and not, point it out on a CM laynard, if not just don't trade for it. Everyone else just doesn't care that it might be fake as long as the trading experience increases the enjoyment of a Disney vacation....just saying
     
  6. pixiewings71

    pixiewings71 <marquee><font color=deeppink>Sweet!!! Totally!!!!

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    Good points Scuba, but the majority of us on this thead are buying the cheap pins expecting them to be scrappers. We are fighting to have these sellers removed from eBay but to file a report you have to buy from them, so we are using our own money and time to try to combat the situation. :)
     
  7. scuba

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    Now i'm really confused then, I have purchased from the green listed folks for $1.50 or so and really there is no way i'm going to be able to tell a fake, nor am I going to make an effort at trying to determine if they are fake or not.

    The pins traded just fine at Disney so I assume everything was fine. My Daughter did trade for a Tink sedsma? pin and was informed by a cast member that they are trade-able. Daughter was tickled.

    I want to do what is right, I suppose most of us do. I have been reading this thread for awhile and there are several who have bought from ebay and had quite a few pins be real, I suppose some really serious pin traders are still using the cheap pins to trade for better ones I assume? Have any of the red sellers on ebay actually sent real pins to anyone, or are most 100% fake usually?

    Is is unethical, thats a strong word, but is it unethical for serious pin traders to even buy lots from folks cheap to trade for better pins? whats the concensus? certainly all of you posting don't go out a buy $6.00 pins to trade do you?
     
  8. Dzny-pins-UK

    Dzny-pins-UK Earning My Ears

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    Hello All,
    As you can tell I'm a newbie here, joined this morning:)
    Also you can tell I'm a Disney Pin fanatic from my name and avatar :)

    I've read some of the posts but I would be sitting here for days LOL going through them all, so I skipped many posts (sorry).

    Anyway, why I'm posting is because I'm from the UK and the Ebay sellers here have flooded the market with scrappers likewise I know USA, I've been trying to let traders know what ones not to buy from (in private) but I would like to list them without having some sort of legal thingy bob....to let the UK'ers know who not to trust. If maybe you could advise?

    Just some advice too (as a veteran trader), if you are buying bulk pins that are so cheap and "it's too good to be true" then it is! you will be buying fakes in my opinion, if the seller is repeatedly selling like this.

    I have no problem with sellers on Ebay I am one too, I have got some amazing pins for my collection from non scrapper sellers. But these scrapper sellers are beyond a joke!

    And, I feel for the newbies in our hobby::grouphug:

    Lindsay

    p.s how do I keep my eye on this thread? or just have to remember what page it is at?
     
  9. earthfaries

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    I have been reading this thread for awhile as I'm a pin trader myself ~ living near Disney World and like to keep up to date with things.
    I have to respond about the Sedesma pins ~~ Sedesma pins are totally tradable at the parks ~ a lot of people prefer them because they are light weight and easy to carry for trading.
    If you look on pinpics you will see that Sedesma pins are actually quite sought after and rare! I ALWAYS trade for any Sedesma pin I see to list for trade on pinpics :goodvibes Your dd got lucky finding a tink Sedesma on a lanyard!
    Also, I have purchased from sellers off of the "red list" here before and gotten real, non-scrapper pins. I have been purchasing from one of the sellers for a couple of years now and have been totally satisfied.
    I understand that this thread is about spreading the knowledge of scrapper pins but just because 1 person bought some pins and say they got some fake ones does not mean that these people are only dealing in scrapper pins.
    I can tell you from experience after a day at the parks with my family pin trading we come home with more scrappers than real pins ~ it's the sad truth :(
    These pin traders selling pins could have gotten their pins in legitimate ways and trading for them at the parks ~ ending up with a mix of scrappers AND real pins ~ like EVERY other person out there pin trading ... why? Because that is what IS on the lanyards!
    I personally don't usually need to buy my pins off of eBay anymore living in the Orlando area. I just bought hundreds of pins from the outlet a couple of weeks ago for less than .50 each!!!!
    Anyway, do what you feel comfortable doing and if you want to try a seller who happens to be on this red list do it ~ and report back here your findings to further help others ;)
    I can PM you the sellers I have used in the past that are on the red list and have sent me nice pins.
    Good luck and have fun!​


    Hi Lindsay and welcome ~ congrats on becoming a part of the DIS family :goodvibes
    You may already be "subscribed" to this thread ~ lots of times, depending on your settings, once you post to a thread like this one you are subscribed, and the thread will show up on your user cp when it's been posted on.
    If not, or you don't post but want to keep up with a thread you can click at the top of the thread under thread tools possibly, subscribe to thread.
    Good luck pin trading!​
     
  10. MountNittany

    MountNittany Why is Tom Morrow going to the Moon? He has enough

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    :welcome: and thanks for the input!
    Thank you for your input as well! :welcome:
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    When you post, under, Additional Options, there is a menu under thread subscription. Select "No Email Notification". When you open your User CP (upper left of the page) your thread subscriptions are there! Also, in the User CP, there is a link that says "Edit Options". Click it, find "Default Thread Subscription Mode" in the Messaging & Notification box, and select "No Email Notification". You will be subscribed to all threads you post on.
     
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  12. pixiewings71

    pixiewings71 <marquee><font color=deeppink>Sweet!!! Totally!!!!

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    No, I certainly can't afford to buy pins for $6 to trade, not with 4 traders under my roof. :) I do buy traders from eBay, I buy from seller's I've had past experience with, sellers I feel I can trust. I'm sure I've received scrappers from some of them but we generally keep those. All you can do is be the best educated that you can be, make an effort to learn and make an effort to know. That's what this thread is about, to help others learn and know. I've bought pins on eBay for under $2 and as far as I can tell they have been real, but those pins usually come from people getting rid of personal collections, people who just don't know much about Disney pins or I just get lucky. LOL I try to go thru my pins carefully and I try not to trade things I don't think are good but I'm also aware that I'm by no means an expert and that I do make mistakes and I'm sure that I could have traded scrappers as recently as last weekend simply because I didn't know what to look for. Each pin is scrapped in a different way, to know every way for every pin is just impossible.

    Lindsay Welcome to the thread and to the Dis! :) Feel free to add notes on this thread and we will update the list noting that they are UK sellers. I've heard that scrappers are more prevalent in the UK, do you know if that is correct?

     
  13. earthfaries

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    Actually in the pin trading guide ~ PinFormation available at WDW today ~ it states that any pin bearing (c) Disney IS tradable...and sedesma pins have that stamp.
    At the next pin trading event at the Contemporary on the 22nd of this month I will ask Steven Miller who is Production Manager for Disney Pin & Vinylmations about the Sedesma pins and post it here and let everyone know for sure in case there are going to be new rules this year for pin trading.
    Every pin goes past him ~ he will know for sure ;)
     
  14. Dzny-pins-UK

    Dzny-pins-UK Earning My Ears

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  15. scuba

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    Here is the down side about fake pins, if there really is such a thing, I know there are pins that are not official Disney pins but a pin is a pin, if it has a sharp pointy thingy on the back with a pointy back rubber thingy and it looks like Mickey on the front then it is a pin....but with that said I went out onto this pinpic site you all refer to and it appears that one of my most prized POTC parrot dangler appears to be a scrapper.

    I'm not really that mad at scrapper makers or sellers, or the fact that you can find CM laynards full of scrappers, the fact that I went out there onto the site in the first place ticks me off alittle. It's still a Disney pin, it is still a pin representing one of my most favorite rides and movies, and over the years it still makes me smile ever since I moved it over to my DD4s pin folder. It didn't melt once I found out that it was most likely "fake" because it had all the hallmark signs that pinpics points out.

    Lastly, I might pay alittle less time to this thread because in the end, buying pins from someone, regardless of them being "real" or not, the bottom line is am I happy with them. It seems from what I have read and researched we are just going to have to police ourselves before Disney is going to do any significant enforcing of the pins. We cannot for the most part enforce folks taking flash photos on dark rides let alone policing un-official pins.

    I have learned alot from the great folks on this thread, and I have faith that most of you can indeed spot a scrapper, so I say don't trade for it....let my Daughter and I trade for it, because my DD4 and I are looking for that one special pin, one that will have her scrambling for that obscure pin on her lanyard that she just doesn't want....that muppet guy she hates of some obscure star wars character pin

    Like I said before, I will honor the green ebayers and sellers, I will do what I can but i'm going to have to pre-apologize to anyone of you that might come after my DD4 has traded a scrapper for a real pin......good night all
     
  16. Dzny-pins-UK

    Dzny-pins-UK Earning My Ears

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    On the subject of Sedesma and Propins: even though they have (C) Disney they are NOT tradeable, nor is plastic or even with someone's name on the pin (Disney released pins where you could have your name on the pin).

    Apart from that, I would say a majority of traders don't want the above said pins because of the quality.

    However, some CM's are not to aware of that, and only look for the (C) Disney. I think this is why Disney have progressed with their back-stamps etc., with Official Disney Pin Trading Logos, dates, etc., etc.,:)
     
  17. pixiewings71

    pixiewings71 <marquee><font color=deeppink>Sweet!!! Totally!!!!

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    I'm sorry but this information is wrong, Sedesma and Europins HAVE the copyright stamp but they are no longer to be traded with CM's at the parks. They have the copyright because they were at one time authorized to produce Disney pins, but Disney was not happy with the quality so they revoked the contracts with both of those companies. I have no idea who Steven Miller is and have never been to WDW but my information comes from the pin trading guides at DLR. But I would be interested to know what he has to say about them. :)
     
  18. pixiewings71

    pixiewings71 <marquee><font color=deeppink>Sweet!!! Totally!!!!

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    Yes, that's what I'm saying. If they want to sell illegal products then out them. That's what they are doing, they are selling illegal products, scrappers are NOT authorized by Disney and are illegal.
     
  19. Dzny-pins-UK

    Dzny-pins-UK Earning My Ears

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    These need to go on your list:-
    Scrapper Disney pin sellers UK:-
    legosparesuk (and this one has just started another name up with zero feedback called) pinsellerzuk

    andyorangeplanes

    Woodchipboy

    peachey
     
  20. thedeans

    thedeans Earning My Ears

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    I ordered from kittykat2bad which is on the green list. I purchased pins on November 30th. I emailed them on December 10th wondering if my pins had been mailed since I received notice on December 2nd that they had been mailed. I received an email back stating that they are having problems with their post office and they would send my pins to our Disney Resort. I emailed them the resort address. I never received my pins. According to the USPS website you can see where they were mailed to my home address on December 11th. They arrived in Columbus,Ohio, then went back to Floridia came back to Ohio, went back to Florida, they went out for delivery in kittykat2bad home town, then were delivered in Orlando, Florida. This went on for over three weeks. They could have been delievered to the resort but no one can find them.

    Not sure if this a problem with kittykat2bad or just one of those weird things that can happen. They have received 2 negative and 4 neutral feedback ratings in the last month. Looks like for slow shipping or not receiving their items.

    Since they were on the green list I just wanted to share my experience in case someone is thinking about ordering from them so you would be aware that there could possibly be a problem with this seller.
     
  21. Tammylynn

    Tammylynn New trip in the works! Disneyland 4/29 - 5/3

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    Thanks for the information!

    It does seem like it's one of those funky things that sometimes happens but with 2 other negative feedbacks for the same reason, who knows. At least we know to order WELL in advance before our trips, if nothing else!

    I hope all is resolved quickly and painlessly. Thanks for taking the time to share.
     

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