Frustrated, sad, mad, and out of ideas

LisaR

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My mom will be 85 next month. Given her age, she is doing extremely well! Her mind is fantastic. She does have a great deal of arthritis that makes getting around difficult. All things considered, she really is healthy. At a recent visit with the orthopedic doctor (I was with her) the doctor said, "You need to move that body and exercise that mind and you'll be just fine." The problem is, she isn't doing that.

She lives with me from December through April and then goes up north for the rest of the year where she lives in a condo by herself. About four years ago, I noticed a shift in her. I am sure she is depressed, but she denies it and won't tell the doctor. Even if I tell the doctor for her, she will never take a pill for it. When she first arrives in December, it takes a good month until she seems like herself again. She sits alone in her condo up north all day, every day and does absolutely nothing. I'd be depressed, too!

When she is here, she showers every day and goes out for two to three hours each day. Because she has a hard time walking, going out means driving to a drive-thru and eating alone in her car and then going to Walmart and tooling around the store in an electric cart for an hour. Nothing exciting, but at least she is moving a little and doing something. The rest of the time she is either sitting in her chair or in bed.

When she goes up north, she showers every three days or so and goes out about once every 7 - 10 days. The rest of the time she is sitting alone.

I've begged, pleaded, yelled, cried, reasoned, etc with her for years to please make some changes. She could move into independent living or assisted living down here or up north. I want her to be somewhere where she can get at least one decent meal a day, move around a little more, have a reason to shower and get dressed each day, and talk to people. She used to be so social. She belonged to a huge "breakfast club" that got together every single day for over twenty-five years. She continued to go even after my dad passed away. Unfortunately, she is the only surviving member. I've tried to get her to join some senior places, but she won't.

I'm just so sad that she will be heading home in a few weeks where she will take up her spot on her chair, do nothing, not interact with anyone, let her body sit and get more uncomfortable, and let her brain go to mush. I'm mad that she will be back in December and I will have to deal with her depression and the stress that causes me. I'm so stressed when she is here because I feel for her due to her pain, and then I am so stressed when she is up north and I can hear the depression in her voice when we talk.

When her mom was in the last years of her life, being very stubborn, refusing to move out of her home that was in a horrible area, my mom would continually tell us, "Don't ever let me get like your grandma. Just tell me if I am like her and I promise I will change." No matter how many times I tell her she is acting just like grandma, she doesn't care. I don't know how to fix this and I don't think I can.

If you've read this far, thanks for letting me vent.
 
I don't have any advice, but I want to offer you a hug. I know this is a frustrating time, and heartbreaking, too.
We are in a semi-similar situation with my MIL. She lives way out in the middle of nowhere, and she LOVES it, but her live in boyfriend has begun experiencing some health issues, and they live way too far out for any sort of medical service to reach them quickly. He had an episode a few weeks ago, and my MIL (who is TINY) tried to carry/drag him to the car to take him to the ER. I was so furious with her, because she could have hurt HERSELF doing this, and then what?? We live 5 hours away, and my SIL lives halfway across the country in California. She is always asking us what she should do, but then doesn't want to hear what we tell her.

Anyway, just wanted you to know I understand, and I hope that you can get through to your mother somehow, and soon. Maybe you can push for her to move down to where you are...even if she won't go to an assisted or independent living facility, maybe there are apartments or condos similar to hers up north she can get into.

Good luck to you!!
 
I wonder if there is some kind of social worker, minister or other person in the community where she lives up north that you could have intervene somehow? Or at least maybe contact some friend of hers to help motivate her to go out to lunch or visit the local senior center or something?

It sounds very frustrating, and unfortunately, there's probably not a ton that you can do if she isn't willing to make an effort. Do you have any family members up north that can pop in and visit her to at least check on her and maybe get her out of the house once in a while?
 
so sorry to read this! would she ever consider adopting an older kitty that needs a home? theres a lot of info out there about how good pets in general are for helping people get a new focus on life and a reason to get out of bed in the morning. a dog may be more than she could handle alone, but a senior kitty cat could be a wonderful companion.
are there any local programs in her town that have volunteers that would come into her home to just read to her or sit and chat and just be a friend?
i hope that you guys can figure out some ways to help her out!
good luck!
 


What about a home care worker? That might not be the right description but someone who checks in on her every day it two for an hour? That would give her a reason to get up and dressed at least. This person could maybe take her out to the mall to go walking around or even to a library to check out books or videos? Maybe a paid companion?
 
Sorry. That sounds really stressful.

It seems like you have done all you can. You can't make people be different than they want to be.
 
Can she stay with you year round? What about getting her a small dog that is mellow but needs at least a short walk each day? Does she belong to a church? Maybe there is an outreach program that will visit her. I am sure it's hard if she has lost all of her friends.
 


Thanks everyone! To answer some questions:
1. She doesn't belong to a church.
2. She LOVES my dogs, but because walking is so difficult, she could never care for one herself and her yard isn't/can't be fenced (condo).
3. She isn't a cat person. And if she goes before the cat, I wouldn't be able to take the cat in due to son's allergies.
4. I do have a few people lined up that take turns calling her just so she can hear the voice of someone and make conversation.
5. I've suggested something like an assistant and I get, "Why the hell would I need someone like that?" lol She's a stubborn old thing! I'm guessing she doesn't like this option because it means getting her butt up and showering and being ready to "entertain" company.
6. While I swore she'd never live with me year round because of the stress, I've offered to let her stay here. At this point, I'd be less stressed if she was with me all the time compared to the stress of her being 900 miles away by herself. She refuses. She said she will never live here full time. She feels it is already unfair to me that she is here this much and when the time is right, she will move into assisted living. Not sure when that right time will be!

I need to get to a place in my own life where I can learn to let this go. It is her life and if she doesn't want help, I have to somehow let it go. Wish I could figure out how exactly to do that!
 
Thanks everyone! To answer some questions:
1. She doesn't belong to a church.
2. She LOVES my dogs, but because walking is so difficult, she could never care for one herself and her yard isn't/can't be fenced (condo).
3. She isn't a cat person. And if she goes before the cat, I wouldn't be able to take the cat in due to son's allergies.
4. I do have a few people lined up that take turns calling her just so she can hear the voice of someone and make conversation.
5. I've suggested something like an assistant and I get, "Why the hell would I need someone like that?" lol She's a stubborn old thing! I'm guessing she doesn't like this option because it means getting her butt up and showering and being ready to "entertain" company.
6. While I swore she'd never live with me year round because of the stress, I've offered to let her stay here. At this point, I'd be less stressed if she was with me all the time compared to the stress of her being 900 miles away by herself. She refuses. She said she will never live here full time. She feels it is already unfair to me that she is here this much and when the time is right, she will move into assisted living. Not sure when that right time will be!

I need to get to a place in my own life where I can learn to let this go. It is her life and if she doesn't want help, I have to somehow let it go. Wish I could figure out how exactly to do that!

Or maybe not let it go in that way you think Lisa. Seriously, I think it's all completely normal. Maybe simply let go that it might drive you nuts until the time that you will miss her and that's okay. I really don't know if there is an answer when you've looked at everything as it seems.

When you're at your wit's end, hug her.

I loved the bolded line. Laughing. Too funny.

The cat - I love that you're thinking of responsibilities if she passes first. But don't let the not a cat person stop you if you can work out who would take the cat if need be or consider an older cat. I hated cats and have two! You get over not being a cat person when they entertain and love.
 
Wow, I didn't know we had so much in common!!

The 80's are hard!! My mother is 89 and much like your mother. It's been a really hard winter, too. There were days just to get her out of the house DD and I each took her under an arm and helped her out to the car, she was so afraid of falling on the ice. I don't have any answers for you, I just think a lot of people in their 80s are in the same boat. It is hard because most of their contemporaries are either gone, or in ill health. My mother lives with us in an in law apt. She stays pretty active around the house cooking (grocery delivery or I pick things up and take them in for her), talking on the phone, organizing things, etc. I think an asst living for that age is ideal, so they can stay active, but many either don't have the means or don't want it. My mother's pretty happy here, I think. We talk every day, family calls her, my kids sit and eat with her sometimes or watch a movie or something with her, we have her in with us too, she stays abreast of the news and such, and during baseball season she watches the games every day and updates me when I come in, lol. It can get really stressful on me sometimes, but I try to remember how fortunate I am to still have her, and that my kids have her, etc. Fortunately she's been here for many years so she got to enjoy things more before her arthritis really affected her quality of life so much. PM me anytime if you want to chat or vent! I do think it would be a good idea for your mother to consider an ALF near you, or living with you. It only gets harder as they get older. If they start falling it's dangerous. :guilty:

ETA my FIL, also in his 80s, gets meals on wheels for lunch every day. It started when his wife was sick, now passed, and he continued it. He looks forward to it every day, the people who come chat a bit and he seems to enjoy the food. I tried to get my mother to sign up for it but she neglects to see it as a social thing, lol, complains the food stinks. :rotfl:
 
Lordy this sounds like my MIL!

Her big day - every Wednesday-is going to the Beauty pArlor and chatting with the same ladies she has done for years
Then once a week the scooter at Walmart
She COULD go to Senior Center but says she's not that old ( she is 86)
Lives alone- does puzzles, watches tv and gets on Computer most days to play a couple games

If think when they are this old they can not change!
 
You can't really control what she does when she's not with you. My only suggestion is possibly staying with her at her house for a short time and try to hook her up with some local organizations/senior centers that she might be interested in. If you go with her the first time, maybe she will go by herself when you're not there. I feel for you.
 
Pea-n-me my Mom and step Dad LOVED meals on wheels- it was the only real meal they had...dinner was hit and miss as Mom had a stroke and he had never cooked

My MIL however thought the food not good ( she was a great cook bak in the day) and she didn't like the delivery person so she stopped it...now her DD makes her food daily ( we bring some - but live in another town)
 
Please contact both your moms & your own Area Office on Aging & ask about the Caregiver Support programs. The Aging Office have tons of resources for both of you. It must be hard for her to be the last of her group of friends, it's hard to start over at any age let alone 85. I'm glad she has you to watch over for her, what a blessing.
 
Find a nice assisted living in your area where she could live and have her visit the place. Make sure you find out where she can get her hair done and show her that place.

MIL moved into an assisted living last year, and it's made a world of difference. She's so much more active, but she is forgetting things more and more often.
 
When my dad's mom moved in with my parents for a while my mom found out that the local independent/assisted living place had a sort of senior "day care." Grandma was def depressed and driving my mom up a wall and while she did see her dr and take meds, she needed more interaction with people so mom put her foot down and signed her up. There was transportation to/from and ended up being a really good thing for her. About a year later she ended up moving to her apt there.

It might be an idea for you to look into. There were fun activity options, but even just playing bingo and cards with other people was really good for her. Maybe if there is something similar you could talk your mom into at least trying it for a couple of months?

Dh's grandma is about the same age as your mom and is doing the same thing as yours. She does have a cat, but I would really love to see her doing more. She's stubborn though.
 
I would try to find a senior center and insit she goes. She would make friends and they have activites going on all the time. She could come and go as she chooses.
 
The senior center in my city has lots of fun activities-My Mom went and learned to basket weave and even made some to sell at a craft fair with friends-in her 70's
But where my MIL lives-smaller town-the senior center is just playing bingo etc=I still wish she would go
 
Sometimes, it may be that you have to do what our elders don't want to make things better for them.

I suspect that the best option at this point is to bring your mother to live with you full-time. Once she's there, you can have her go to a senior in your area during the day. At your home, you'll know she's well fed, taking her medications, keeping busier, and has companionship. At her home up north, you don't really know what's going on with her.

Plus, she can help you around your house. Maybe just feeling like she is needed and useful will be a key to this.

She may be very mad about it to start out, but that's because the decision wasn't hers; not because she doesn't want to be with you, as I'm sure she knows that she can't stay in her house forever.
 
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Another thought I had was that maybe you could go spend a couple weeks with her and take her to some of these places, a senior center, etc. so she can meet people or see what they have to offer. If her mobility is so bad, how would she get to these places? How does she get out when she is with you--I'm assuming you drive her? Maybe having someone else take care of the initial start up to go, will help??
 

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