Discussion in 'Theme Parks Attractions and Strategies' started by PrettyFlower2, Apr 24, 2013.
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This is part of the problem. Universal is no longer a wannabe when it comes to theming. They are working hard to improve and doing so rapidly. Disney should never become complacent.
I agree. I still want better merchandise if I will have extra time.
I think that Disney will eventually start charging for fastpasses in some capacity. I believe that this is just the beginning of a long process.
Universal has you PAY for their "skip the lines" pass ??? And that's ok but you people are complaining that Disney MAY someday do the same ?? Yes it's free to hotel guests but if Disney did the same for their hotel guests I'm guessing this board would be shut down from the influx of hatred for a company wanting to make money. Money that they CONTINUALLY put back into the parks and other areas of the complex.
By the way the skip the line pass is NOT on every ride and not available on harry potter.
But...if you stay on site you get a whole hour before park opening in Hogsmeade and if you book a package you get a breakfast appointment at Three Broomsticks and a meal.
Last year in California I actually paid for the Express Pass for the day since it was August and it was a "gee I'm in California lets go to USH" kind of a trip. No plans were made though we did make it at park opening.
Well, there is a limit just based on what we know already. They're only going to be available 60 days out, correct? So that limits us to only playing with a 60 day time frame at a time as it is. So basically Disney has to decide if they want to limit how many fastpass days passholders/castmembers can book within the next 60 days. True, they don't want people just going in and booking for every weekend for the next two months, only intending on showing up one weekend. So they will have to place an arbitrary limit, that's just the common sense of it. The only other option would be to have you place a credit card deposit that you lose if you don't show, after a certain number of free ones. But I don't realistically see that happening, at least not at first. So we're left with an arbitrary number for each 60 days. What's appropriate? 10? 15? Who knows.
And our credit cards will be stored in the app, how convenient
I agree on the hotel tie-in, they could even use it as room incentives as well, package up some sort of Deluxe Fastpass+ if you book this room on these dates, that kind of thing. Or tiered tickets like you said, sort of like how now you can "build your own ticket" with park hoppers, or waterparks, etc.
Given that FP's link with ticket reservations, I would think they'd choose the tiered ticket if they do raise prices for more FP.
That way they would encourage EVERYONE to pay more money. They could price the tickets by month/week. After January 1st for example the prices could drop 30% to encourage off-peak trips. Then in the height of summer, a rep could sell sell sell up priced tickets.
"Oh, its busy this time of year sir, why not get the super-duper-uber-FP-extraordinary-ticket for only $999.99? Oh sir, staying offsite in a villa? No problem! Tickets are available to all! We here at Disney don't believe in discriminating against offsite heathe- I mean, valued guests in the parks."
That is if they do decide to offer a tiered access system sometime in the future (A debate I think is irrelevant for the next couple of years imo). They'd have to limit the number of upgrades available or price them accordingly to stop too many people buying them and flooding the park with FP's.
True, lots of reasons that a tiered ticket would be the way to go. They already have the tiered ticket system in place, this would just be an add-on.
I agree, they would have to limit how many upgrades are available as well. Sorry sold out!
I still don't believe the tub will be big enough to allow much more water to be added from the "same-day FP+" faucets.
I agree. The more I think about this, the more I think that there won't be many same-days for headliners anyway.
Good luck with that. Because the FP+ reservations for TSMM will probably all be gone by 9am...
9am sixty days before you arrive, that is!!!
I respectully suggest you are wrong regarding the size of the bathtub.. I thought so too at first. I really did. However, even with rudimentary calcualtions based on a 20% hourly rate of of fast passes, combined with the overal OHRC, (and it could actually be 60%) that not only will the tub be big enough to do this, at the MK on a consistent basis, this system will allow for 5 or 6 prescheduled fp's and more then one level 1 most of the year, and still dump thousands of fp's in the system on the day of. Just do the math. DHS should be able to consistently deliver extra as well. Weak links are epcot and AK
And the value of this entire system is completely diminished if all fps were dumped into the system at the 60 day mark. In my opinion
I have to edit my comments above again. If the theory is that this new system is to make the newb or casual visitors time much better then they are currently having, why would they allow all the good fastpasses to be gone on the first day they are released, at the first hour. I suspect that a good percentage of the population Disney is trying to target are INDEED the people who by there tickets either 1 month in advance, or even one day in advance. I think the mouse's preference is that the further out they can get accurate data the better, but even 1 month, or 1 week or even 1 day is going to overall improve the guests experience, and provide better data and control. And in order for the casual visitor to have a pretty decent time, some pretty decent fast passes need to be available 2 weeks before, even a day before, even the day off. As time goes on, the mice get better trained, and buy their tickets earlier.....
If this happens, it will punish the "planners" even further. They will have to keep checking back every day for 60 days to see if their desired FP+ time has been released yet. Meanwhile, the happy go lucky neophyte just gets lucky and scores the most desired FP+ times because he waited until the last minute to purchase his tickets.
Can someone please explain to me why "first come first served" has apparently become a hate crime in this day and age?
Yes! Your bathtub analogy makes perfect sense. It would be a necessity for them to control FP+ during busy times. This would be different from the whole ADR process; once the popular dinning reservations are gone, they are gone for good unless someone happens to cancel. They could never let this happen with attractions. Agreed, I do not believe they have plans to 'educate'.... they will want visitors to instead focus on fun the apps., etc. Many people will not care about figuring out this new system to make it work for them.
I also agree that this system would reinvent the Disney marketing that we are now familiar with.
Actually it does still benefit the planner. Because the planner will fuss and fume about it, but will indeed keep checking back until they get what they want.
Once we had our BOG ADRs for our December trip (what a FIASCO of poor IT, poor infrastructure and poor management decisions THAT day was!) we got a crazy idea that it would be fun to eat in both castles in the MK on the same day. CRT was already booked. But if you set your mind to something you can often make it happen. I knew if I kept checking, I'd find something and I did. The first time I got wasn't great, but I took it and kept checking back. Eventually I got exactly what I was after.
Most newbies aren't going to go to that trouble. You can bring a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Many of us planners are apparently thirsty enough to not only seek out the water, but drink quite heavily once we get there!
But there IS a point at which even I will decide it just isn't worth the effort. Bringing it down to the individual ride level could prove to be that point.
There are only two rides it is not available for. One is a very low capacity ride that is meant for children called Pteranadon Flyers and the other is Forbidden Journey.
I totally expect Disney to start charging for fastpasses. I think you'll probably get 3 free (one from each category) and then be able to pay if you want more or have the number free increase depending on what level of hotel you stay at.
Fascinating Rileygirl. I think you may be onto something. I've also considered the marketing opportunity of the ap. If just about every website I go to knows I have recently visited a site for comfortable shoes and suggests them to me, what could the Disney ap do with our information. I mentioned that the data would likely include what we purchased and when as well as where we have eaten etc. In addition to suggested ADRs based on cancellations or open tables, why not special "coupon code" deals to purchase similar items in the park you are "scheduled" for the next day. Or if you bought a Pluto plush in the morning, the next time you check the ap they offer a M&G FP time for Pluto.
For many guests, this would seem fun and give them the sense they are getting some great bonus experiences. Others (me) would be freaking out at the data mining going on while I was in the park. Big Brother, leave me alone.
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