FP+ is Live! Magic Bands in the park!

Discussion in 'Theme Parks Attractions and Strategies' started by PrettyFlower2, Apr 24, 2013.

  1. mom2mickeyfan

    mom2mickeyfan DIS Veteran

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    You didn't ruffle my feathers!! All is good here! :goodvibes

    BUT!! ;) Lets say I am able to book a FP+ for TSM that expires at 4:00. My family decides we are going to spend our morning sleeping in, then going for a swim and then have lunch. We decided to head over to HS around 3:00. I would not be very happy to find if I come in the gates at 3:31 and find my FP+ had been taken away. If I come through the gates at 3:31, I would still have plenty of time to make it TSM before my FP+ expires. I would say the same for coming through the gates 15 minutes before my FP+ expires. Anything less than that would be very hard to get those FP+s to anyone else.

    And like someone else mentioned, how would they go about getting those FP+s to someone else. Will they send the offer to 100 families, 50, 25?? And I guess Disney is counting on most guest having smart phones. Our family does not and it would get kind of annoying seeing others get these bonuses all day and our family would be left out in the cold because we don't have a smart phone. Kind of takes away some of the magic feeling. Now, if that is what it comes to and our family doesn't have a smart phone, I wouldn't BLAME Disney but I certainly wouldn't feel very good about the fact.

    Something else I have to say is that we always stay off-site and Disney would have to offer unlimited FP+s for our family to concern staying on-site. We stay in 1 and 2 bedroom condos with full kitchens and washers and dryers in our room for the same or less than the cost of a small Disney room. I couple of extra FP+ would not be worth the extra cost for our family. Not to mention that if our family spends more on our rooms then we have less to spend in the park.
     
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  3. g-dad66

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    Yes. In fact folks would be very, very, very unhappy if this happened.

    I doubt that unclaimed FP+s will be given away at all during the FP one-hour window, because I suspect that Disney will "overbook" each time slot, knowing what likely % will be no-shows and feeding that into their FP distribution formula.
     
  4. mom2mickeyfan

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    Many many great points made here but one thing I think about is this. These families that have come in the park at 10:30 and then aren't happy because they end up in a Space line for 2 hours are going to be happy to be pushed into lesser rides to spread out the crowds for Disney? These same families have been coming into the parks at 10:30 for years and walking past the 5 minute wait for Stitch to get in that 2 hour Space line. Why?? Because they want to ride Space. So will they be happy when they come into the park at 10:30 with no booked FP+s, do a quick pick in which Disney pushes them to lesser rides and then 3 hours later find themselves in a 3 hour SB line for Space?
     
  5. Squidgyness

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    This is the thing. I honestly don't think they'll sway many people with a few more fastpasses for staying onsite. People stay offsite because they want to OR have to due to budget reasons. Whereas people onsite stay onsite mainly because they want to. Disney realises they can't convert everyone staying offsite IMO (imagine if even half of offsite guests switched to disney resorts, it would be havoc!), and they won't risk annoying a lot of off site people with longer lines, and losing their in park money as they wait in these longer lines, just to give on site guests a couple more fastpasses.

    EDIT:

    Just realised Riley summarised it better. Reasons this will be for one system for everybody:
    1. Disney need more data on offsite, and need to be able to factor them in for crowd control purposes. It would certainly help them a lot.
    2. Offsite also spend money in the parks. Wouldn't be worth annoying them to throw a few more passes at onsite guests. This wouldn't be enough to sway more than a minority of people to stay onsite IMO.
    3. Nothing mentioned anywhere about onsite getting more perks other than the magic band, which offsite can purchase anyway. Aesthetic choice only? (Just with room key on too as well as ticket) Corroborated by the idea of designer bands.
    4. Linked to tickets, NOT reservations. Key thing here. Not tickets OR reservations, just tickets. Suggests one system for all.

    Those last two points are key here IMO.
     
  6. PrincessArlena'sDad

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    If Disney does have it all figured out, why don't they come out with the details? Why did they start giving details and then abruptly stop?

    Something changed or went wrong, and I don't think it is just a tech issue. Disney stopped trying to get people excited about all this, and it doesn't seem like a tech delay is a good enough reason.
     
  7. Squidgyness

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    Exactly. Where is the publicity... Given the size of the investment they should be shouting it from the rooftops. It wouldn't be that early considering the announcements of some rides and areas of theme parks have been made over a year in advance from what I recall.

    From what I've seen of walt he'd have given a detailed presentation of this by now, heck he did that for Epcot back before it was even certain it would go ahead in that form (it didn't but I digress). It's the sensible thing to do, can you imagine ford just saying "yeah the new mustang is coming folks and its completely different it looks a little like this *vague picture*" then clamming up for months?

    Something smells fishy...
     
  8. monorailrabbit

    monorailrabbit Rabbits Rabbits Everywhere!

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    Excellent points again! Maybe it would be better off to just let these disappear then (yay for people in SB line anyway :goodvibes) But goodness I do hope they don't "overbook" too much and then everyone actually DOES show up! :blush:

    This! ::yes::
     
  9. Angel Ariel

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    You can purchase AFS tickets in 3 places:

    1.) Base/Post MWR/ITT ticket offices (no tax)
    2.) Shades of Green (no tax)
    3.) WDW ticket windows (taxed)

    Personally, I have always chosen option #1 and bought them from the nearest military installation's ticket office.
     
  10. Rileygirl

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    Mom2Mickeyfan

    I think 'they' would be still able to get at least one decent fast pass. Because disney has really closed the lid on multiple mountain fp's, and if you look at the tier system that was used in the trial system, you can see disney 'safeguards' the ability for many many people to score at least one good fast pass.

    And I suspect, they will release fp attraction availability of the 'hot' commodities, the same way they release dining venues. Not everything becomes available at the 190 day mark, Not everything becomes available at the 180 day mark, not everything is available at the 60, 45, 30 or 7 day mark. Some inventory usually makes it in to the system all through out the timeline. They will save some for the 'day of' and they will also save some to 'float' the whole system for making changes right up until the day of. And if its like dining ressies, there are always some held back for VIPS until the day of.

    So, they will get to do something great, something mediocre, some type of dining thing, maybe score a 'here and now' and be left to their own devices. Overall, this is FANTASTIC compared to what they are doing. And if they decide to hop into that brutal line, they will have enough to make them happy with their tour day. Is that a stretch? maybe. Maybe thats a weak argument.

    Also, people are getting excited about fp+ and the ability to of them to be self cancelling. This may or may not happen. If the IT people can make this system work like a dream, the potential is there. However, I dont think it would be the scenario of, hey, I didnt enter the park until 30 minutes before my fp time, and it got canceled. I think it may work more along the lines of, the system recognizes your bracelet and you are currently going through the epcot turnstiles at 3:30. Your FP+ is for BTMRR. It knows you cannot possibly make it, so it could self cancel.

    PrincessArlenesDad
    Certainly on the internet the info is slowed down. And so has the testing. But, I just got my DisneyFiles magazine today. I opened it, and a shiny leaflet fell to the floor. Guess what it was on? A 2 page insert on My Disney Experience, and the upcoming FP+.

    Now, its not impossible that the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing, but, Im not sure your argument holds water.

    But I am truly concerned the with IT stuff.

    Sqidgy - isnt it lilke 2 or 3 am in the morning for you? Go get some rest, we can argue another day! :>)
     
  11. Angel Ariel

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    The only thing I wanted the app for was the current wait times...so I had no need of it (or want of it) until I was in the park. If FP+ is only about pre-booking, I would not have ever seen it/used it, as I didn't even want to use it until I was in the park already.

    Also, while I do love my smartphone, I do not love being tied to it on vacation. It was wonderful to be able to put it down and just be in the moment with my family. I don't particularly *want* to feel like i need to have my smartphone with me in order to tour WDW well.
     
  12. monorailrabbit

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  13. 4under4

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    This is what I've been thinking for a while now. They are letting the rumors FLY with no end in sight. If they had something [anything] to say that could mitigate all the speculation, they should have shared by now.... or at least been proactively quashing the worst of the rumors.

    :confused:
     
  14. 4under4

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    And to add my 2 cents to the whole smart phone issue... I seem to recall not too long ago plenty of dissers up in arms over Parent X texting while on IASW instead of enjoying time with their family in such a magical place [or lighting up a dark ride with their too bright screen, or stepping on heals while they walked blindly through the crowds, etc.]. Imagine an entire park filled with people, nose down trying reschedule a FP+. I don't think that would be fun at all.

    Besides kiosks, they are going to need slow lanes for people looking at their screens :upsidedow
     
  15. Squidgyness

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    Precisely why I'm fervently hoping the kiosks in park will let you book fps as well as change them, if not for the same day then at less later in the week. Don't fancy lugging my ipad across the Atlantic, and the only one of us who has an android phone is tech challenged, and I've never used android, nor do I want to, particularly on a vacation. Ironic really.

    I know so many other people who don't bring phones on vacation though, I guess people in certain industries do bring them so they can be contacted, but we don't need to. No reason to be tethered to the phone... Yet. Long may it remain so.

    Also I find it hilarious that people on here were accusing some of being a little negative (not aimed at anyone in particular, don't start a war or anything :) ) but at this point I think I'd take any news over no news.
     
  16. discnewbie

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    :( When we went last year, we left our phones at home. Crazy, maybe, but it was SO nice not to look at those stupid things. We lived in the moment. We saw many people on their cells etc., which to us, was like... why? we are in Disney World! Enjoy being here! Anyway... if this FP+ is in and basically you have to have a phone in order to book these things on the fly... I won't be enjoying this vacation nearly as much as the last one. And I probably won't come again for quite some time.
     
  17. Rileygirl

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  18. monorailrabbit

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    :rotfl: True story! I can just hear all the text alerts going off during a ride or something. "Yo-ho! Yo-ho! A Pirate's Life For -" "DING! Incoming Text!" And you KNOW people have super loud/annoying text alerts! (although I shouldn't talk, mine is the monorail chime followed by "please stand clear of the doors..." lol) Also I can picture the 10 mile gaps between people in line because they are watching their phone and not paying attention to whats happening around them... oh this will be fun! :rolleyes:
     
  19. mom2mickeyfan

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    I can see that working in that situation but not for those off-site and just sleeping in and coming to the park later. Also, I wonder, do you have to have the bracelet out/wearing it to be picked up. If you can only do one park a day, are at Epcot in the morning and have your FP+s for HS in the afternoon so you aren't wearing your bracelet since it really won't be needed while in Epcot will they be able to tell where you are at? What if your party splits up and some stay at the resort and sleep in and some head to Epcot. Do we think Disney would cancel the whole parties FP+s or only the number of ones in Epcot 30 minutes before your FP+ expires at HS?

    To the first point. Wouldn't that be the same set up that is being rumored about for booking FP+s. One headliner and 2 lesser rides. If Disney saves some of these for day trippers and those non-planners, how is this going to totally spread out the crowds. Those groups are still going to have a FP for a headliner just as if they booked 60 days out.

    And BTW...I'm not trying to as someone said earlier, ruffle your feathers. :goodvibes I just see so many holes in this new system that it is like trying to catch a bowl of water in a strainer!! But you have brought up many great points!! :thumbsup2
     
  20. Squidgyness

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    Can't believe no one at disney actually sat down for a meeting and said "right, name all the possible problems here"

    Because based on what this thread has brought up, they could have filled a whiteboard the size of the screen in soarin' lol!

    My last post for the night, g'night peeps. Time to destress...
     
  21. cmak1214

    cmak1214 Earning My Ears

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    Hi everyone! I am confused about FP+. Will be heading to Disney soon! My understanding is that the new fastpass system is not up and running for all guests yet. Is that correct? Worried they will begin using it right before we get there and I won't know it started. From the posts I've read it seems like there isn't a definite start date yet.
     

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