Fl Laws of the road....maybe a sticky should go up

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  1. A Mickeyfan

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    After the debate on me driving in the left lane and reading how some are stating that I cannot do that, maybe a sticky should be posted here for the rules of the road in FL.

    1. I know some states have the law where left lanes are only for passing, here in FL, they are not. They can be used but you cannot be going below the speed limit.

    2. Another law we have here that not all drivers coming to our State may not be aware of is when your windshield wipers go on (in the rain), so do your headlights! If not, you will get a ticket if stopped by an officer.

    3. The other law that should be mentioned it the move over law. When there is a law enforcement with their flashing lights on stopped on the side of the road (or extreme right or left lanes), you must move over to the next lane away from them. If you cannot, you must drop your speed by 20 mph less than the posted limit. If the posted limit is 25, you obviously drop to 20. *** so people, when you see this happening, let the cars in front of you.. don't ride bumper to bumper and not letting them in.. this helps keep our LEO safe..as well as those they are helping on the roads.

    4. When you have a yellow light, you are legally not supposed to enter the intersection. If you get stopped by an officer, they can give you a ticket for running a red light.

    5. You can make a right on red unless otherwise noted. You must come to a full stop, not a rolling stop.

    6. You can make a left on red in some cases..... here is the statue on it.... The driver of a vehicle on a one-way street that intersects another one-way street on which traffic moves to the left shall stop in obedience to a steady red signal, but may then make a left turn into the one-way street, but shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians and other traffic proceeding as directed by the signal at the intersection, except that municipal and county authorities may prohibit any such left turn as described, which prohibition shall be effective when a sign giving notice thereof is attached to the traffic control signal device at the intersection.

    7. If a pedestrian enters a crosswalk, you must stop for them, failure to do so can result in a fine.

    I am sure there are others... but thought I would start with those..
     
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  3. bumbershoot

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    From the handbook online marked for 2012.







    I learned to drive in CA, and have driven across country, in SC, NC, VA, and beyond. My brother learned to drive in Miami of all places, and has driven in NC, FL, VA, and CA. What I learned is...you have to be flexible and, as the handbook says, help do whatever it takes to avoid crashes.

    My husband likes to think that he can just sit in the left lane. He is wrong. Someday he might be run into or shot while sitting there moseying along, being peeved at the person behind him.

    Meanwhile, when HE is the person going a little over the limit in the left lane, he's HATING the person in front of him moseying along.

    My husband is putting himself into danger, as were you in your story.

    Stay right except to pass, just like the last quote from the FL handbook says.


    Apart from maybe the headlight thing (which is hardly an issue with new cars having automatic lights IMO), I can't think of any states that don't have the other laws you mentioned. Right on red, left on red in some cases, pedestrians having the right of way...yep yep yep....


    When I'm driving into Seattle, I know that many of the people on the road are just visitors. So I'm especially careful, EVERY time. If I lived in/near Orlando, I would ALWAYS be especially careful. Especially with the horribly lax carseat laws in FL, I'm watching out for everyone, since I don't know if a kid in a car near me is properly (in my state's eyes) restrained and I would hate to be part of something that helped get the kid hurt or worse.

    If you can't deal with the fact that there are distracted drivers, or other FL residents who might be dealing with rage, or ARE a FL driver that might be dealing with anger...I would urge you to stay off the highways. It's just not safe.
     
  4. gmeh1

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    It is truly a shame that these laws are not enforced. One of my biggest pet peeves is when it rains, people do NOT put on their lights. Or, the idiot going 40 in the passing lane when the speed limit is 55 or higher. I have driven in many states and I have to say, the drivers in Orlando (natives NOT tourists) are among the worst anywhere. The biggest danger by far is those fools who text while driving. That is totally insane.
     
  5. Lewisc

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    Some cars automatically turn on the headlights whenever you use the wipers. People driving a rental car might not realize the difference.

    I note point 1 in the OP is wrong. People suggesting a sticky listing the rules of the road should take the time and make sure they get it right.
     
  6. goofy4tink

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    There will be no sticky regarding this issue. Florida doesn't have outrageous rules of the road...so it shouldn't be too difficult for people to figure hot to drive down there.
    Common courtesy people, common courtesy.
     
  7. Horace Horsecollar

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    I'm sure you are mistaken.

    The whole idea of a yellow light is that it's essentially a green light that warns you that it's about to turn red. You're supposed to stop if you can.

    Imagine that you're going 45 mph on a suburban arterial road and the light turns yellow 40 feet before you arrive at the intersection. There is no way to stop before the intersection. There is no way an officer would write a ticket for "running a red light" just because you had no choice but to enter the intersection when the light was yellow.

    If that were the law, why even have a yellow light?
     
  8. goofy4tink

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    Yellow, legally by definition, means, slow down, proceed with caution. Red means stop. And I highly doubt it is different in Florida. Of course, I can check with my step-sister...she is pretty 'up' on the rules of the road..at least in Broward County. She's a cop over there!!!

    I have also just checked the Florida official site for road rules. I see nothing about windshield wipers and headlights being on. Yes, headlights on between sunset and sunrise, or during rain, smoke or fog. But it surely doesn't mention windshield wipers.
    And that whole you can stay in the left lane?? Sort of...the rules say that the left lane is for passing and/or overtaking another vehicle. If not passing you should be in the right lanes.

    These are all pretty much the same rules of the road that other states have.
     
  9. A Mickeyfan

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    I learned to drive in NY, lived there for 31 years before moving to CT, then moving here. Have been here for 20 years...
    I hate to break it to you, but it is not a law to drive in the right lane.. read what you have posted.. stay with the flow of traffic.. and if ONE is staying with the flow of traffic and you have an inpatient person who wants to go way above the speed limit, they are putting others in danger. Speeding is against the law. I will NOT get a ticket for driving 5 miles over the limit in the left lane on a 3 lane highway, but someone dying to pass me because they want to go 20 miles over will.. I was going with the flow of traffic.. had I moved over, the tailgater would have either followed me or had to contend with another car tailgating that one.. so .. hmmmm who is wrong? The one going with the flow of traffic or the tailgater.. :confused3 I say tailgater..
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  10. goofy4tink

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    Well, according to the Florida rules of the road, it is up to everyone on the road to do whatever they can do to avoid an accident. So, you seem to think you are doing a speeder a favor by staying in front of him, preventing him from speeding off and getting a ticket. So, if you sit in front of a tailgater, impeding his forward movement, then I'm sorry, but you are wrong. It is not up to you to enforce the speed limit or the rules of the road. And again, I say, how do you know this person may have followed you into the middle lane??? You make an assumption. You may not have had the room you thought you had when you moved into that middle lane, causing the person you moved in front of, some angst.
    But, I'm pretty sure you aren't going to take any responsibility here. And giving us the rules of the road, in Florida or any other state, isn't going to help. I'm pretty sure that after about 45 years of driving, in many states, including extensively in Florida, albeit on the east coast, I think I have a pretty firm grasp on the rules of the road.
     
  11. A Mickeyfan

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    Now let's put the full portions of what you quoted here..

    5.27 - Traffic Lanes
    Always drive on the right side of a two-lane highway except when passing. If the road has four or more lanes with two-way traffic, drive in the
    right lanes except when overtaking and passing. Left lanes on some interstate roads are reserved for car pool vehicles with two or more
    occupants in the car
    - watch for diamond signs in the median. The center lane of a three-lane or five-lane highway is used only for turning left.
    ........can you tell me where it says that you cannot drive in the left lane on the interstate? I was on I-4, I means Interstate.. completely legal to be driving in that left lane! Read all of what it states, this is not a 2 lane highway, but an interstate! I know my roads, and know my rules.

    5.9.1 - Driving Too Slowly is also Against the Law
    Drive with the flow of traffic (within the speed limit). You should not drive so slowly that you block other vehicles moving at normal, safe speeds.
    When driving slower than the flow of traffic, keep right so others may safely pass. You can be issued a ticket for driving too slowly. When the
    posted speed limit is 70 mph, the minimum speed limit is 50 mph
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    ..... so if the speed limit is 65 and you are doing 70, you are NOT going too slow....

    You may want to take note on this one... seems it is ok to speed for you if you are in the left lane.. but it doesn't say that in the very handbook you quoted from...
    5.9 - Speed Limits
    Speed causes many crashes. More drivers are convicted of speeding than any other offense. To avoid being fined or involved in a crash, obey
    the speed limits. Speed is very important in a collision. If you double the speed of a car, you increase its force of impact four times. If you triple
    the speed, the impact is nine times as great.
     
  12. A Mickeyfan

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    For those that think I am crazy or do not know what I am talking about when it comes to the Yellow lights, think again please. I have to admit, when I first moved here I didn't think it was true either, but it is... so you may want to think it over twice when you enter an intersection on a solid yellow light.. .. you can get a ticket if an officer sees you.. I know people that it has happened to! So in other words, once that yellow turns red, and you are in that intersection, you ran the red light.. they don't care that it was yellow when you started.. see what I am saying.. it was your warning that it will immediately turn red. Some yellow lights are very very short! In fact, they have shortened the yellows to get to the reds faster in the last few years in my County. Many have been fighting it stating that it is causing more accidents by stopping short.


    http://archive.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?m&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.075.html

    (b) Steady yellow indication.—
    1. Vehicular traffic facing a steady yellow signal is thereby warned that the related green movement is being terminated or that a red indication will be exhibited immediately thereafter when vehicular traffic shall not enter the intersection.
     
  13. goofy4tink

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    Yup...that's what a yellow light means....that green has been terminated. And that a red indication will be exhibited immediately thereafter traffic shall not enter the intersection. So, it's yellow..you slow down and stop if possible because it's gonna turn red pretty soon and once it's red, you have to stop.

    That is true in every state I've driven in....not different at all.
     
  14. goofy4tink

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    Copied directly from the handbook.

    5.3 - Defensive Driving
    Defensive driving means doing all you can to prevent crashes. As a defensive driver, you will “give” a little. You will change your driving to fit the
    weather conditions, the way you feel, and the actions of other drivers, bicyclists and pedestrians. Follow these steps to avoid crashes:
    1. Look for possible danger. Think about what might happen. If there are children playing by the road, plan what you will do if one runs or rides
    into the street.
    2. Understand what can be done to prevent a crash. See the defensive driving tips which follow and the Handling Emergencies section later in
    this chapter.
    3. Act in time. Once you have seen a dangerous situation, act right away to prevent a crash.



    And section 6.1.....Yellow
    Stop if you can safely do so. The light will soon be red.

    Both from the same Florida Drivers Handbook...one would assume that they are giving new drivers the correct info.
     
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    I wasn't doing anyone a favor, he followed me into that lane after he felt I cut him off.. he stayed on my tail. he had NO ONE in front of him in the middle lane, he could have stayed there had he wanted to go faster than I was going.. do you not see what I was trying to say, did you read my original thread or are you just reading between lines in this thread...:confused3 I feel like I am beating a dead horse here.. some one felt I cut them off, which I did not, I had ample space when I went from the right lane to the middle lane. Then I proceeded to the left lane knowing that the Disney exist were coming up. I figured I would get out of the way of anyone wanting to get on or off those exits. I stayed with the flow of traffic in the left lane. The car who I went in front of followed me, he was up on my bumper. He remained there until he realized his Disney exist was coming up. Due to the fact he was on my tail in the left lane, he had to cut off others by going over the 3 lanes of traffic since the exit ramp was now coming up for him. Why, I don't know why he felt compelled to do this to me. Did he want to pass me, no.. he did not. He was NOT speeding to pass me. Most who would have wanted to pass would have done so by going into a lane that had no one in there at that point. He was following me, or can you not see what I am saying.. a classic case of road rage..
     
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    I can see exactly what you're saying. And I bolded the part that makes it seem as if you were doing the other driver a 'favor' by not letting him pass you and hence get a ticket. Also, it says in the part you that you posted...stay to the right except when passing or overtaking another vehicle. So sure, you can drive in the left lane...as long as you are passing or overtaking another vehicle. Not just because you are driving at the speed limit. It is for passing/overtaking. That's what that says.
    And the whole 'speed limit' issue??? Yeah, I get that driving 70 in a 60 zone is speeding, but where does it say it's okay for you to take up that left lane simply because you are going 60, the posted speed limit??? Might it make more sense to just move over to allow the speeders to get away from you???

    I have to say that in all the times I've driven I-4, I have seldom seen the far left lane moving at the speed limit. So, someone moving at the speed limit is now impeding everyone else's progress. You could have moved over. If I remember your original post correctly, you said that the person tailgating you could have easily moved over since there were no other cars there to prevent his moving over. But he didn't....seemingly just to bug you. Why didn't you move over since you wanted to move at the speed limit??? If the other car followed you over and continued tailgating you, so what???? Just slow down to the speed limit and pay them no mind.
    I read that you 'felt' you had plenty of room to move in front of the other car. Perhaps, just perhaps, the other driver felt differently. Who was correct?? Don't know...wasn't there. But, in all reality? It isn't up to us to enforce driving rules. It is up to us to try to prevent accidents and if that means moving over and moving a bit more slowly, so be it.

    I doubt you are going to see what we are saying here. You feel you are in the right and the other person was driving like a crazy person. You could have moved over, you chose not to....your decision.

    Can we please move on now....at the speed limit???? :car:
     
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    I got mine from the Fl Statues.. I agree, I would hope they are giving the new learners the correct info.. check my link if you think I gave you a bogus link.. the clue word is "immediate" there. I have friends who have gotten tickets for going on it. As I said, in my County, they have shortened some of the yellows and people are upset because they feel it is causing more harm than good. Once that yellow comes either they are speeding up or slamming on their brakes. If the light has a camera attached, they slam on the brakes, if it doesn't, they speed up... I find myself slamming on my brakes if no one is behind me. If there are others behind me, I go thru it and get ready to fight it if they ticket me... :confused3 what else can I do.. you are in a no win situation here.. I agree, and I did not believe it myself.

    The best is when you crack your windshield and it is raining.. :eek: My son got a crack in the windshield a few years ago. He was going to get it fixed, the day it happened... he was driving and it started to drizzle. He could not put on the wipers, but it wasn't raining so he figured he was OK. He got pulled over and got a ticket for no wipers on!!!!:headache: yes, no wipers on got him a ticket.. he happened to be at a traffic light next to an officer.. then when the officer saw the windshield was cracked, he gave him one for that.. He explained he was on his way to get it repaired, and it had just happened that day... they did not care. he got the windshield fixed, so that was just the $7 warning fine, but the wipers ticket remained. I cannot speak for Orlando, but my county can be a stickler when it comes to things...
    I know someone who was pulled over for 2 miles over the limit in a school zone.. now I am in full agreement, do not speed in school zones.. but how can you tell on your speedometer that you are 2 miles over? I personally always go under what I should in the school zones, but really, how can you tell 2 miles on your speedometer???? mine has a line for the 5 and the 10 markings .. that is it.. no singles :confused:
     
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    I think I understand what you are trying to say. I may even know which stretch of the road you are talking about. I think people who don't drive a lot in Florida "don't get it". (I know I sure didn't when I moved here LOL). Florida driving is its own animal-between the roads(who designed these things), the "lost tourists" and some other "interesting" locals-driving here is crazy!

    Don't you just love the ones driving along in the right lane who suddenly realize their exit is on the left and just fly over several lanes of traffic? LOL
     
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    Please!!! :lmao: Where I live is a tourist area too.. Ft Myers area.. and we too get them.. I get those that come and are in the right lane and decide they want to turn left.. and do so right in front of you as you are driving!!! :scared1: and visa versa.. They make their turns from the wrong lanes and think nothing of it. Or better yet, they are out on the roads at 8am going to the beach while I am going to work. They are driving 35 in a 55 & in both left & right lanes. The left lane is not a passing lane only. It is a State Rd, and both lanes are used to drive on. You see them pointing to new things. God help us if they decided to use their cell phones and drive. We get the snowbirds by us. Some of them haul their boats behind their cars which makes them go even slower :headache: You cannot pass them because the boat is huge and you are afraid they are going to make a turn from the wrong lane and ram you.
    Then you get those that are in a hurry, they are putting on their make up, drinking their coffee and talking on the phone and passing you at the same time.. :eek: all to stop dead in front of you because they are now behind the car you were just behind :lmao: and they thought it was you going slow :rotfl: Oh the wonders of living in a tourist area.. and they said NY'ers could not drive.. at least we all kept up with the speed limit, we used blinkers and we did not tailgate.. here, it is a free for all. You have people from all over who know their States rules and do what they want here.. :scared:
     
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    so what rule is wrong? instead of saying OP is wrong let's work together and correct them.. or do you not know the rules of the road.. ;) where was I wrong? It is not against the law to drive in the left lanes on the interstate. It is not against the law to drive in the left lanes as long as they are driving lanes. read up on the laws of the road..
    http://archive.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/0316ContentsIndex.html&StatuteYear=2011&Title=-%3E2011-%3EChapter%20316
     
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    Oy-I lived in Ft. Myers for awhile-and drove to Orlando every weekend. The best/worst of both worlds LOL.
     
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