Fast Pass Plus Episode...Are they kidding?

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  1. disneysteve

    disneysteve You have to enjoy life, not go

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    Everything isn't fair. That's just the way life works. However, I have a problem with the deluxe guests getting a perk that negatively impacts non-deluxe guests. You can give deluxe extras but not if it means taking away from others. The more FPs they give deluxe guests, the fewer there are to give everyone else. So because my family chooses to rent a 3-bedroom house in Kissimmee rather than cram ourselves into a 400 sq. ft. room at Grand Floridian (for 4 or 5 times the cost), we are not going to have the same access to rides in the parks. I'm not okay with that.
     
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  3. KatieCharlotte

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    I'm an advanced planner. I'm learning that it's sometimes better to be spontaneous on vacation, but I can handle booking a few rides ahead of time.

    My problem is the idea that those in deluxe resorts will get an advantage over others and all onsite guests will have a huge advantage over offsite guests. I haven't heard that Disney has any problem filling their ever-expanding resorts, although I imagine the growing vacation rental industry is taking some guests away.

    The biggest financial effect is for those of us with larger families. In the slow season, we can get a house with three bedrooms for just over $100 a night. If we were a family of four, we could get a room in a value resort for the same price. However, as a family of five, our cheapest option is $195 a night with the youngest in a trundle bed in Port Orleans. The cheapest deluxe is about $400. I imagine the financial effect is even greater for larger families or those who travel with extended family. I know Disney is a company focused on increasing profit, but I like to forget that when I'm enjoying the magic.
     
  4. rotlex

    rotlex Is it summer yet?

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    Honestly. My wife and I are extreme planners. Heck, while I think it is ridiculous, I don't even complain about the 180 day ADR thing.

    This however is different. While we don't know anything rock solid yet, I just see this not going well. I cannot ever comprehend that some day this may be the only way to get a fast pass. While I like to plan, it's a vacation. A vacation I'm spending a LOT of money on. I shouldn't even NEED to do this to ride a ride when I'm spending close to $100 per ticket to get into an amusement park. It scares me, LOL.

    As a side note, frankly, I think the BEST thing they could do is drop fast pass completely. I can see it on a few rides I guess, but frankly, all it does is slow down already efficient stand by lines. And don't even get me started on why they feel the need to fast pass anything that is an omni mover type ride such as Peter Pan, Pooh or God forbid the Haunted Mansion. What the heck are they thinking with that?
     
  5. kbelle8995

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    As with all Disney programs like this, there will be guests who simply don't get it.

    They will be standing at the FP entry banging the magic band and screaming expletives at the top of their lungs.:sad2: Holding up the lines and making it worse.

    OH GOOD GRIEF.
     
  6. Tinkerbellie16

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    I listened to the podcast hoping to cut through all the assumptions but honestly, there was about 30 seconds of 'what we know' and the rest was just opinions, assumptions, and opinions about assumptions :laughing:

    I will be reserving judgement until it gets rolled out and we know about what they will do in practice (not in theory or what 'might' happen).

    Now having said all that, I do understand that many people are not planners like me and especially going for the first time, you might not get that coveted fastpass and then have to wait in the regular line. BUT I could have sworn that I heard Disney would 'recommend' fastpasses for fastplus+ to you based on what you have entered in about your vacation - or did I just make this up??

    And as for the whole deluxe vs. moderate vs. value perks...um absolutely you should get more perks at a moderate vs. a value or a deluxe vs. a moderate or value! You pay $500 vs. $100 for a night, you should get more perks at the resort you pay more. If you think about it, you are already getting better perks for those that stay onsite vs. offsite (where offsite usually has a lower price for a similar hotel). YET, those people that go to the parks that are not staying at an onsite resort are not treated as a different 'class' when they are in the parks. BUT they can't ship items to their resort, or enjoy extra magic hours. Disney has every right to give more benefits the more money you pay (um, concierge???) And why wouldn't Disney or any hotel or resort do this? They WANT you to spend more. If they can get you to spend more because you get more benefits, why not? I have no idea where 'class' got in this debate - it's capitalism.
     
  7. Circus181920

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    One of my biggest worries with FP+ (and then the eventual phasing out of regular FP) is that I wont be able to ride some of the e-tickets multiple times. We all spend alot of money to go to wdw and I wouldnt be happy with getting to ride splash, tot, etc one time per trip.

    I presume standby lines for e-tickets will actually be longer because people wont have the option to get multiple fp's in one day for whatever ride they want.

    So, the only way to have any chance to ride e-tickets more than once on a trip would be to make it to rope drop. With that said, I could actually see rd getting busier.
     
  8. Friendly Frog

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    If you do not schedule your Fastpass plus 60 days out I wouldn't count on the ability to get e-ticket rides. Most people scheduling fast passes are going to want an e-ticket ride. In order for Fast Pass Plus to reduce the line wait they have to limit the number of passes given out for any particular attraction. I don't see how they will be enough passes for a ride such as Toy Story Mania for every guest in every Disney hotel ( and possibly multiple passes for deluxe guests) for off site guests and then possibly some slotted for sale? At the very least at busy times getting a fast pass plus for TSM could certainly be like getting Le Cellier during free dinning.

    The question now becomes how will Disney manage the availability? Let's say Disney has X amount of E Ticket fast passes held in an extra reserve for last minute travelers. How confident are you that Disney will provide those on a first come first basis? Or, do you think Disney may be more inclined provide those passes to the guests in a deluxe room ( or the 1 paying for extra fast passes) over a request from a guest in a value room? I am NOT saying that Disney will do things this way only that it could be a way that Disney could quietly implement a class system. ( whether or not a class system is a good or a bad idea is a whole other topic.)

    The issue may not be "Will Deluxe guests get more passes?" It may be "Will Deluxe guests also get the majority of the e ticket fast passes?"
     
  9. doconeill

    doconeill Fastpass Jedi Master DIS Lifetime Sponsor

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    Ah, but you already do - at the resort. :)

    It depends on how people react in the end. Will people still ride the same thing multiple times? This could actually reduce the total number of rides the average guest gets in for a day, which would have the effect of not actually increasing the standby lines.

    I can tell you that with what info we currently have, I'm less likely to ride an attraction more than once unless the standby line happens to be really short. And you know, I'm actually not that upset about it.

    And given how many times Test Track and RNRC has had issues while we were in a "short" standby line, maybe not even then... :)

    I think the thrill seekers will be there, but I think they are already there, trying to get their fill of rides and FPs as quickly as possible. But now, the people who see RD currently as the ONLY way to ride TSM, might actually sleep in.

    It will depend on whether Disney holds a reserve (making booking FP+ early more of a necessity).

    But it doesn't need to be a FP+ for every guest in every resort, since they aren't all at the same park on any given day. Quick math says it's a quarter - practical numbers say it's a bit more than that for everything except AK. Then you have to deduct the percentage that doesn't plan, those that don't ride the E-tickets, etc.

    But keep in mind - this is not currently something being advertised as for resort guests, but for anyone who has a ticket (in advance, obviously). Which also beings to mind...this will drive earlier, direct ticket sales for Disney when people go to make their FP+ reservations, find out they need a registered ticket first, and there is a convenient link to purchase them...


    No idea at this point. Any correlation to resorts, or deluxe resorts, etc. is just a rumor at this point, and I don't know the source to know whether it is more recent or based on very old rumors when the system was first talked about years ago (2007?)

    If they DO give the deluxe resort guests an extra FP+, and they are tiered, I can only see it being for E-tickets (is anyone really going to need extra second-tier FP+s?), and I DO think that will severely impact supply.
     
  10. monorailrabbit

    monorailrabbit Rabbits Rabbits Everywhere!

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    I have to say I am NOT okay with Deluxe getting more than Value. Value is the ONLY way my family can afford to do Disney - I would LOVE to stay at the monorail resorts, but unless I am going for 1 day, there is just no way. That being said, I also don't whine that I have this crowded and rather lame bus compared to a nice, shiny, roomier monorail - I GET that I am in a value hotel and I am okay with it. However, I paid the exact same for my ticket to get into the park as the guy staying at Bay Lake Tower and that is where my issue comes in - we both deserve the same perks at the park. Now if they offer the option to buy more and I can't afford to buy more, my problem and then I have no room to complain, but until the start offering that option, the perks for Deluxe should stick to the transportation, fancier rooms, restaurants, and better pools & lounges.

    That being said I just really would like to know WHEN this FP+ is going to really start to roll! I would love to hear back from someone who has used it. I was surprised to hear in the Pod Cast that they didn't think FP- was going away and (since I obviously can't stick my wristband into an existing FP- machine) I really want to know how it works once you are in the park - can you get more like you can now with regular FP- just with your phone or new kiosk? Do you wait & hope for alerts through the app? I am going in Sept and really am okay either way if this will be rolled out, I just want to know if I need to be up at 6am 60 days out to get a FP for TSMM ;)
     
  11. doconeill

    doconeill Fastpass Jedi Master DIS Lifetime Sponsor

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    No one knows _exactly_ how it will work yet, since it hasn't started yet other than tests - and we know from what Disney _has_ posted it won't work exactly how it did in the tests (test allowed for use of regular FP as well - we know this will not be the case).

    The reason why regular FP won't go away, at least in the short term, is it will take time to roll out MM+/FP+, and in the meantime everyone else needs to be able to get something. But once everyone _can_ use MM+/FP+, I'm expecting regular FP to go away. Some portion of FP+ might mimic FP to some extent, but that's a guess.
     
  12. monorailrabbit

    monorailrabbit Rabbits Rabbits Everywhere!

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    Oh I know... that's why I want this to roll out so people can use them and shower us with knowledge! :thumbsup2 Until then it's all circles and circles of speculation
     
  13. Friendly Frog

    Friendly Frog DIS veteran with a mouse on her back.

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    I was selected as part of the fast pass test in December. The main thing that I didn't like about it was that it told you which rides you could select from each category. One of the categories did not contain anything that I cared to do.
     
  14. dansyr2514

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    I'm a planner, so all the pre planning doesn't bother me. I live for if... Lol! Actually planning the trip is part of the fun for me.
    As far as first timers not knowing about all the pre planning..... Well, we have that now with adr's and such. I also think since the program is new, there will probably be more info out about what is needed and when, than ever before.
    I find it hard to believe that Disney will shut out any guest from getting fastpasses since the whole idea of a fastpasses is to free up a guest's time so they can spend more money.
    Now as far as extra fastpasses for level of resort... I'm completely against this!!! You pay the price you do for the amenities of your resort.... Not for special treatment in the parks! I'm with Nikki .. We stay dvc generally. I wouldn't be able to afford staying deluxe if we didn't.
    Honestly, I don't even use fastpasses all that much. But, if they create this " class system" it would offend me enough to just stay offsite. I can spend less at a 2 bedroom at Wyndham bonnet creek than all star resort... So if I'm basically going to get the same number of fastpasses, I'll stay in luxury and Disney will lose a resort customer.
     
  15. DVCJones

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    All this talk about planning FP+ 60 days out has me worried. We leave in 52 days for WDW. Have they started this already? Should I be doing something now for FP+?

    I have read that FP+ is not fully running, but what are the chances of it be up an running in April? The last thing I want is to find out once I get there that I should have planned something weeks ago.

    BTW, we have 10 day hopper/no Exp. tickets from AAA. And stay DVC. Will that matter?

    Thanks
     
  16. doconeill

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    When it starts, it will be all over the DISboards. There were some rumblings that they were finally ready to start the initial rollout test, but we're still waiting to hear if it has happened yet.

    It is supposed to be rolled out on a resort-by-resort basis. There is no way to know which resorts will get it when right now - and whether it will be available to all guests or a subset for now. So even if it starts, you may not be part of the rollout. And during the rollout at least, you are supposed to be given the option of NOT taking part and using the old system (but that means no MagicBands).

    The fact that you got a ticket through AAA should not matter right now. When guests who do not have packages are eligible, there will be a way to enter the barcode ID of the ticket in MyDisneyExperience website, which will then make FP+ choices available to you. We don't know exactly how or when this will work.
     
  17. DVCJones

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    Thanks doconeil!!! I guess I will have to stay tuned to the Dis for updates. ;)

    I like the idea of having a choice to use the old FP system. I know how to use that to the fullest extent.
     
  18. smphbear

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    We just got back. They need to settle the glitches with the RFID cards before this gets used on any larger scale. Our cards only got us in our room. They didn't work for entrance or charging. We found this out trying to get into AK. When I asked who could fix it, the lady of the gate said no one. I went to the concierge desk at our resort. The guy had to get a manager because he didn't know what was going on. They ended up issuing us new tickets. We saw others having issues with the cards. They need to get this fixed. They also need to beef up the in park wi fi if they are really thinking people will be able to use it to adjust on the fly. There were many times where you were connected, but it just didn't have any kind of speed. The room wi-fi was great.
     
  19. seashoreCM

    seashoreCM All around nice guy.

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    One problem with wifi is that it slows down when too many people are using it.

    (copied from another forum) Here's a fair way to let Fastpass Plus guests get more fastpasses. Allow use of regular fastpass but use the lockout period. You know, the up to 2 hour delay between fastpasses. If you use FP+, then there is a lockout period equal to two hours times the number of FP+ selections you did make, from the time you enter the park. Say you entered at 10 AM. If you selected two FP+s your first regular FP will be available at 2 PM. (Maybe earlier if the FP+ rides you chose have shorter lockouts or the ride you want another FP for has a shorter lockout, but not earlier because the FP+ times you chose came sooner.)
    So you had to go all the way back to your resort? Shoulda asked for more fastpasses from your resort concierge. At least three per person. On separate vouchers so if you had FP+ the extras would still work. Really, Guest Relations outside the turnstiles shoulda invented or conjured up something on the spot when you first got there. (PM me for a suggestion of what that might be.)
     
  20. roomthreeseventeen

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    So you had to go all the way back to your resort? Man, I would be peeved.
     
  21. smphbear

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    We did not let it interfere with Park Time. They do have these hand held scanners at the gate in case the RFID doesn't work, but you have to be pulled aside to get admitted.

    We got in and went back to the hotel in between parks.

    The FP+ part isn't active yet, but I have to say I am glad that it was not rolled out with us being in the early phase. I think there is still a fair amount to work out. I am also not sure that I am very excited about FP+. It just seems to make it harder to adjust on the fly. I am glad that it will be something I know more about before I am back at the world.
     

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