Discussion in 'Disney Rumors and News' started by tentaguasu, May 16, 2013.
No, but a good portion of it could be. The 1st quarter income for Parks and Resorts was up only 4%.
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Good perspective with what universal is doing, if universal would annouce another project such as the rumoured Lord of the rings Disney would have to respond in a big way. My thoughts still are sticking with star wars land at DHS and Marvel land at DCA opening in 2020
~Yes, after Expedition Everest -- just before Fantasyland or should I say Harry Potter, lol.
~Yes, a 23% increase in attendance demonstrates substantial growth. But, in contrast you would almost have to triple this to match MK's numbers. Also, DCA saw a 23% increase as well, and I didn't think the "Cars" IP could compete on the same level as Harry Potter. This just goes on to prove that when it's all said and done, people just want good attractions.
~Hi kaykool, great post. I might need to revisit this post because I think we agree on some points, but I just don't have the time right now. Anyway, I acknowledge what Universal is doing, and it blows me away, while Disney rests on its laurels with their promotion(s) of dining plans, free food and DVC. How long can it last???
~Also, you are incorrect about AK having the lowest attendance, Hollywood Studios has endured a decline in attendance for a few years now. With that said, I am still not convinced that Disney has to "answer" when they've had record breaking profits and attendance.
~How was Disney "hurt" by Universal? I hope Disney feels the impact from Universal's growth but the numbers don't seem to reflect that. Of course, this info predates Harry Potter 2, I'm hoping it's a another huge success for Universal and maybe that will light a fire under Disney. We'll see.
Well, technically Universal owns all the rights to Marvel attractions within some sort of radius of their parks, so in that way you can say Disney is hurt by Universal. Wouldn't stop Disneyland from making any Marvel attractions, though!
~Hi Godot! Nice angle, you're a thinker! This is close but not quite -- Disney entered into this agreement with full disclosure and understanding of the limitation(s) involved pertaining to use of the Marvel IP and still moved forward in spite of it. So, I have to assume that the pros far outweigh the cons. The Avengers, Iron Man, Thor and Captain America have all been successful for Disney, not to mention the merchandising associated with the Marvel brand.
~Also, I am not convinced that if Disney had acquired the entire IP free and clear of all stipulations, that they would be looking to invest in the parks. Like I've said before, I don't see much incentive for Disney to invest in WDW parks.
~Harry Potter Starts to Wear Off~
~I believe this is *exactly* what Disney was hoping for, but Harry Potter 2, Despicable Me, Simpsons land, Transformers, Jurassic Park Expansion (go Universal!), and new Deluxe Pop Century style resort is making it incredibly difficult for Disney to ignore. So, here's hoping for the best!!!
If I were Disney (hehe) I'd be looking at doing Star Wars Land first. If not simultaneously with Avatar Land.
As we know, Avatar was a massive film and there are two more planned.
But Star Wars is almost certainly the biggest movie franchise in history!! Think of how much WWoHP did for IoA... now imagine how many more Star Wars nuts there are compared to Potter Heads!!
That's my opinion. (Sorry if someone else said it - I only read the original post).
I would love to see maybe at least a ride or attraction or 2 from some of the more masculine Disney themes, or at least something more gender neutral. I have a 3 1/2 yr old ds who will be almost 4 when we go this October & we're still pretty heavy on the princess stuff (have a 6 year old DD, as well). I think Star Wars, Cars (not really represented at all in Florida), Spiderman, Monsters Inc, or even Toy Story could all provide some really awesome ideas for rides. A Monsters Coaster could be pretty cool, as would some sort of themed character meal featuring heroes and villians. You can build an attraction or 2 and not build a whole land and certainly there's room for that at DHS.
I would much rather see a Carsland than StarWars...
If Disney has to choose from making Cars Land OR Star Wars Land in Florida, I believe their best best is to go with Star Wars. They have Cars Land in California.
By building a Star Wars addition at WDW, they would be able to attract audiences to both theme parks with something unique in each.
We have seen in many ways that they do want to have unique experiences at DL and WDW, while much overlaps, it would be good to change it up a bit.
Just one example, they do the Nightmare Before Christmas makeover at the Haunted Mansion at DL, they don't do it at WDW. So, if any of us Floridians want to ever see that, we have to go to DL during the right season.
I do think Disney has to do something to complete with Universal (Harry Potter Expansion).
Sorry I'm jumping in a little late on this conversation, but I had to respond to this comment. Recent history is not very reassuring in this area....with four theme parks in Orlando, opening one truly new attraction every few years is not enough. 7DMT and the Little Mermaid ride are the only new attractions they have opened since TSMM opened in '08. That's a LONG time between attractions.
Looking forward, once 7DMT opens, we're looking at 3-4 years before anything else opens.
With Universal dumping boatloads of money into their parks, I just don't see how Disney can be so complacent.
I think most WDW fans would agree with that the entire Fantasyland project was a bit...misguided...in its conception. They spent $700M (or whatever the figure ended up being) for what amounts to 3 new attractions: Mine train, Mermaid and Belle story time. It's high on flash and low on substance. Once that project somehow squeaked through Imagineering, the die was cast for several years to come. Disney was never going to break the bank and pour even more dollars into the parks despite an ill-conceived Fantasyland.
That said, the last few years have brought a few new experiences. Star Tours and Test Track received major modifications--so much so that they are practically new experiences. The interactive games at Magic Kingdom, Epcot and Animal Kingdom debuted. There have been some other modest additions like Sum of All Thrills, American Idol and the Jack Sparrow experience at DHS.
At this point, I believe the next 5 years will bring more to the parks than the last 5 did, but those attractions aren't going to materialize overnight.
Maybe...maybe not. Really depends on how quickly they move on Star Wars at DHS. Some of the rumored plans have involved repurposing / retheming the Backlot Express restaurant and Sounds Dangerous. But those would be modest additions while something more expansive is still in the works.
We probably are 3-4 years away from anything worthy of "E" ticket status.
Here's the rub...it doesn't appear that anything Universal has done has hurt Disney. Last week Disney reported its financials for the 2013 fiscal year (ended 9/30) and they reported all-time record attendance at WDW.
We look at the money Universal has spent and their attendance increases and the knee-jerk reaction is to think that Disney is hurting. But they really aren't.
You'll hear many WDW fans say "I visited Universal for the first time ever, so Disney lost some of my money due to their lack of investment." But there are also people coming to Central Florida specifically to visit WWoHP who will also spend a couple days at WDW since they are in town.
Investment is always risk/reward for Disney. If they spend $250 million to build new attractions, and annual attendance only goes up 250-500k, it's gonna take a long time to recoup the investment. (Don't forget that after construction there are still significant operating costs associated with every attraction.)
For the moment, Disney attendance is purring right along without the heavy investment on new attractions.
@tjkraz - I totally agree with most of what you say above. I know that there are rumblings about some big announcements coming soon (e.g. the title of this thread). My question is whether Disney can take those announcements and turn them into reality in a reasonable amount of time. NFL is taking forever to complete and other than the mine coaster, I'd say it's pretty mediocre. The theming and atmosphere they have created is some of the best in any of the parks, but the substance is severely lacking.
I'm actually not a huge fan of only expanding with E-tickets, which many on these boards seem to be looking for. I just think that Disney has some catching up to do with investment in DHS, Epcot, and DAK. All three parks need work and not just through adding an e-ticket or two.
And finally, I think there's a big difference in the type of expansion and investment that Disney does in comparison to what we're currently seeing at Universal. Disney tends to invest for long-term gains. I doubt that there is much Universal could do to truly hurt Disney's numbers in the short term. Long term, however, they could do damage if Disney becomes complacent in its past success and reputation.
Just my thoughts!
I agree with you completely. Disney is more focused on the China market since that's where they're seeing the real growth opportunities.
As far as the US is concerned they'll continue to tinker with WDW, concentrating more on maximising revenue from what they already have (e.g. Magicband), rather than investing in premium new rides/themes.
I'm sure New Fantasyland was seen by most repeat visitors as a huge disappointment, completely underdelivering on the marketing promise. The opposite is the case with Universal which continues to expand with excellent new theming and rides and will further demonstrate this with HP phase 2.
Sure Disney will introduce new theming but it will be at a snails pace, say starting off with some Avatar or Star Wars themed rest rooms, restaurants, gift shops and a couple of walk through 'attractions'. Given their recent performance It'll be 2020 before we see anything particularely different.
Yes I hope Universal gives Disney a bloody nose, but unfortunatey Disney has already demonstrated that it CAN do very little, yet still get solid attendance figures.
First... I agree
Second...as far as how they can be so complacent?
Because we continue to line there pockets...
Attendance is flat and profits are expanding at an almost Enron type rate...
They are also getting to the point where they can almost reduce staff and operating hours and still probably increase profits...
They increase all prices by 5-15% each year without exception, apology, or explanation.
And nobody stays away.
That's why I say the place is starting to suck for those of us that are longtime/ repeat offenders or bother to read the history and do the math...
But Iger will have enough stock equity to buy willow a new pair of shoes every second till 2055...no doubt.
The sentinel had two really scary numbers buried in one of their "unpublicized" articles a week or two ago...it was either the profit disclosure or the magic band rollout follow up
The often try to slip the facts by to "not upset dad"
Fantasyland was $425 million...
Art of animation was $350 (site prep and alot of groundwork done in 2002)
That is scary... That much for rooms and that little for parks.
My bad...it was Orlando business journal...not the sentinel
Very good point! Soon as folks stop going dumping records amount of cash into Disney, them more aggressive expansion. Look how slow FLE and avatar is from announcement to opening. I was actually thinking Avatar would be tossed out all together.
I really don't think of it as "lining their pockets" as much as "people deciding to go on vacation somewhere they enjoy". As long as people continue to find WDW to be fun, it really doesn't matter whether Disney expands or not. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Personally, I'm looking forward to any expansions - especially Star Wars or Marvel (at DL/DCA). However, my favorite rides are generally all the old ones. I don't think I'm alone - MK has almost twice the attendance of the other parks, and its rides (or their technologies) are generally the oldest at WDW.
I think this is partly because the older rides (at least in my opinion) rely more on immersion, audioanimatronics, and theming, and less on "flash" and special effects.
I've heard that J.J. Abrams is making the new Star Wars movies along similar lines. One of the biggest complaints he has heard about the prequel trilogy is that it relied to heavily on digital effects, and didn't have the authentic, hand-made feel of the original. I hope Disney keeps that in mind when designing any Star Wars attractions. Sometimes, the old stuff just works.
I can honestly say I would be first in line for Star Wars Land
Is there any truth with the Lord of the Rings rumor? because LOTR is awesome but doesn't seem like a fit at any of the parks except for HS which could be getting an expansion with cars or star wars.
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