Buying in to the DVC....Big Decision

Discussion in 'Purchasing DVC' started by cdispoto, Mar 2, 2013.

  1. cdispoto

    cdispoto Earning My Ears

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    This is my first post. My wife and I just returned from a week in Disney where we stayed on the monorail (Polynesian) for the first time and we took the DVC tour of the Bay Lake Tower.

    The DVC intrigues us because we plan on going to Disney at least every two years for the rest of our lives ( we are in our 30s ) and want to stay at the Deluxe resorts or the Boardwalk/Beach Club area.

    We don't intend to purchase until we can pay a least 50% up front, which may take a while, but we are interest-averse.

    We also enjoy traveling in general but I'm not sure wed want to use DVC properties everywhere we go because I feel you can find more cost efficient lodging elsewhere, especially in Europe.

    But I'm agonizing over whether its worth it at all. The rep we met with made it seem like we could ONLY buy at the Animal Kingdom or Bay Lake Tower because nothing else was available. But reading these boards makes it seem like you can buy anywhere. Is that true? Does the price change depending on when you purchase as your home base? We would rarely plan seven months in advance so the exclusivity benefit doesn't really benefit us.

    If I'm using my points ONLY to stay at Disney, should I look into a resale?
     
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  3. mickeysbestfriend

    mickeysbestfriend DIS Veteran

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    it was a no brainer. No matter where I have lived I have gone to Disney World for at least one week a year. Seven years ago I toured a one bedroom at Old Key West and that was all it took. I did the math, figured out what my cost per point would be, took the average cost of a room at a moderate (this was where I stayed most ot the time) and knowing that room rates at the non DVC resorts would go up every year, I bought in.

    Now I bought a resale through the Timeshare store and got waht at that time was a great price. I have never regretted it! I paid cash up front so all I had to worry about were the yearly maintenence fees. My wife and I now go 2-3 times a year. We buy food to eat in our villa for breakfast/snacks and adult beverages in the evenings.

    What has it doen for us? It gives a place where we can get away, relax and know that all we have to do is pay for airfare and a meal a day at a TS restaurant :)

    Good luck on your decision!
     
  4. disneynutz

    disneynutz DIS Veteran DIS Lifetime Sponsor

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    Resale will save you the most money. There is a lot to learn if you want to be a educated consumer. Keep reading the posts here in the DVC section of the DIS and you will find the answers to all of your questions.
    Good luck and have fun!

    :earsboy: Bill
     
  5. davedmaine

    davedmaine DIS Veteran

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    Definitely only look at resale. You'll buy for about half of what Disney is selling, so it sounds like you'll be able to buy outright. Do a Google search online for Disney DVC resale and there's 2-3 very reputable sites you can do some research on, see current pricing, etc..
     
  6. Dean

    Dean DIS Veteran<br><a href="http://www.wdwinfo.com/dis

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    My recommendation is to save up and pay cash for what you can afford and go resale. As you correctly note, you can do better, cheaper and have far more control using cash or non DVC options for non DVC resort travel. For that 50% you could save up, you could get the same number of points resale PIF at SSR, BWV, AKV or OKW. You could get VB or HH even cheaper but the dues will make them more expensive long term and I'd suggest you buy at those ONLY if you plan to use the one you buy at fairly routinely, say at least every 3-4 years.
     
  7. bookwormde

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    First using DVC point to stay anywhere but in DVC rooms is not a good value.

    Second, as others have said, study the resale market since you can buy a smaller contract intially if you want to try it out with the cash you have. You can by for 40-70% of what it cost direct from DVC.
     
  8. CMOORE185

    CMOORE185 HH 240 Points, SSR 260 Points

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    Honestly I questioned DVC's value when I paid $65 per point in 2000. At the current direct prices I do not think it is worth it. Buy resale IMO.
     
  9. Deb & Bill

    Deb & Bill DVC-Trivia Contest, Apr-2006: Honorable Mention

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    If you really want to stay at the Epcot resorts (BWV and BCV), you will need to learn to book your stay way more than seven months out. Otherwise, you won't be staying there. I'm looking at those areas for early October now for one night and it's currently not available for the night I need. I'm looking at a full week to see if the night I need is available.

    But if you don't mind staying at OKW or SSR or AKV (because they are the larger resorts), you can usually get something at seven months or less out. And if you are looking for a full week, the longer you wait to book, the harder it is to get a full week or longer.

    Trading out DVC is an expensive trade.
     
  10. TosaTrio

    TosaTrio DVC Owner @ SSR & VWL

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    I agree with everyone who says buy resale. You will save tons. Also my motto is buy the least expensive WDW property that you don't mind staying at. If you will only be happy at BCV or BLT buy there. If you like those resorts but would be happy at SSR if nothing else is available, buy there. SSR is a longer contract and lower price. Also, I have gotten BCV many times at the 7 month mark and I own at SSR and VWL, so it is not impossible. I have also gotten AKL 1 month out but I think that is rare.

    Good luck with your decision. My only regret is not buying earlier.
     
  11. acurls

    acurls Earning My Ears

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    Can you explain what you mean by "using DVC to stay anywhere but in DVC is not a good value"? Does this include other Disney properties, or are you referring to exchanging out into DVC?

    Are there con's or limitations to resale? I have heard that Disney won't let you use points for other locations if you buy resale.



    We are considering DVC too, but there's so many outstanding questions and concerns I have.
     
  12. chalee94

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    exchanging DVC pts for disney resorts like the poly or a moderate would be a poor value.

    exchanging for DVC resorts would be the best value. (and mostly, the DVC resorts that are onsite.)

    resale pts ARE still valid for trading out through RCI and a few other options (like intrawest). not a great value, as mentioned above. but it is an option.

    resale pts are not valid for trading out for the poly or for cruises. (or ABD, but those trades really require a ton of pts.)
     
  13. disneynutz

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    DVC is a money maker for Disney. They want people to buy direct, not through resale so the have placed restrictions on who can use their points where.

    The most economical use of points is at the DVC resorts. Disney advertises many other vacation destinations as a advertising gimmick. Using points there, if they allow you to, requires a lot of points and there are availability and rule restrictions, paying cash is cheaper.

    Disney can change the rules, policies, and restrictions as they see fit to increase their business or to "adjust" the program.

    Buying a resale contract for DVC stays can save you money depending on how often you vacation and what your resort preferences are.

    :earsboy: Bill
     
  14. bookwormde

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    Yes the point requirements at the non DVC disney resorts are rack rate or higher if you figure $10/pt pluse the $95 fee.
     
  15. erin1715

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    Can I ask when you were able to book at BCV at the 7 month mark, what time of year were you visiting?

    My husband and I have been to Disney every year for the past 8 years and just recently we stayed at the BC in a standard room, which we loved! We have been discussing DVC on and off for a few years now, but BCV points are competitive and a little out of the price range. We would be happy staying at any of the DVC resorts. I am looking at buying at OKW and if we stay there great, if we get lucky and get BCV then that's just icing on the cake. At this point, we would travel during the summer months. Is BCV during the summer hard to book at 7 months out?
     
  16. disneynutz

    disneynutz DIS Veteran DIS Lifetime Sponsor

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    The only way to guarantee your ability to stay at your favorite resort is to own there. Most people don't really know what they really like until they try the different resorts for themselves. We bought BLT based on Disney's hype and others opinions, it's our least favorite resort, I have now learned my lesson.

    Nothing worse than buying at OKW and then later getting frustrated because you want to book somewhere else and not always being able to get the room category that you want, when you want it.

    No one knows what changes Disney may make in the future to increase attendance but we do know that booking some resorts at 7 months is more difficult today than it was a couple of years ago.

    Disney vacations cost a fortune, do you really want to take chances on being happy while you are there?

    :earsboy: Bill
     
  17. Dean

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    That's why I encourage people to get info, delay decisions and to try to get past the hype. However, I'd far rather someone underbuy than overbuy. Better to buy less points and need more later and better to buy SSR resale than anything retail even if it ends up being totally wrong for the individual. A $10K mistake is far better than a $30K one. Same true for one looking at DVC but also wanting to do other trips. It's often better to make a mistake on a reasonable non DVC option resale than buying DVC for the reverse purpose.
     
  18. ELMC

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    I would also suggest that a person's maximum exposure on a resale purchase is 20% of their purchase price. Even if they bought, realized they made a mistake and wanted to resell a year later, they're really only on the hook for a 10% commission, 5% closing and other fees and a possible 5% drop in price from one year to the next. And this is a conservative estimate that doesn't even place a value on the use of the points for a year.

    This isn't to advocate that people jump in without doing the research, but I think it accurately reflects the risks involved with buying DVC resale.
     
  19. Dean

    Dean DIS Veteran<br><a href="http://www.wdwinfo.com/dis

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    Resale to resale that's likely accurate for most properties and I'm sure that's your assumption, obviously it doesn't hold for retail. It also doesn't necessarily hold for items that are more expensive or for things that are more difficult to move like VB/HH. It also assumes one got a good price up front. IMO that's a lot of exposures though, depending on variables it could easily be a waste of $2-3K. Looking at it the other way, renting for one trip and buying a year later assuming the same variables otherwise, the cost from waiting is somewhere in the $3-4 a point range for points aimed at every year usage.
     
  20. CPTJAK

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    You may want to consider off property Timeshares (i.e. Vacation Clubs), they are less expensive to purchase resale and typically have lower maintenance fees and larger rooms.

    If DVC is what you have to have than buy resale and do not get any more points than you need. DVC did its customers a service by changing the rules so that its resale members do not make the mistake of using points for non DVC properties...thanks DVC:).

    My last thought is odd for me as you are so young that the expiration of the DVC resort may actually come into to play in your decision for the ones that expire in 29 years ( i.e. 2042)
     
  21. TosaTrio

    TosaTrio DVC Owner @ SSR & VWL

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    We have booked BCV at the 7 month mark in July, August and September. In July we booked a studio and 2 BR over 4th of July week, the other times we booked 1BRs. I do call right as member services opens on the 1st day I can book which may make a difference.

    I also booked a studio a VGC this summer. When I booked again at the 7th month mark right away, all room types were available.
     

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