Discussion in 'Community Board' started by Minerva Mouse, Nov 22, 2012.
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Hmm. Again, as someone who has worked retail a long time, we never feel we have "sufficient staffing". And "regular hours" are not going to happen. And many people wouldn't like them. One great thing about retail is the flexible hours. You can make a Dr appointment for a Wednesday morning, and know it won't be a problem. You just work later at night, or on the weekend to make up for it.
A safe work place should be a given.
Can I comment on the JCP thing? I know someone who works for JCP, and not at a store level, but higher up. While they may claim they are not opening earlier so that their employees can spend time with their families, in reality it is because they know they can't compete with the crazy sale prices of the other retailers. Though saying it is all for the few associates they have left sounds better. JCP has not been very caring for their associates sense the change.
This, to me, is something of a catch-22. Somewhere along the way, a company stayed open a little later, and, lo and behold, people came in and spent money. Other companies saw what that one was doing and that it worked, so they extended their hours. Soon enough, you had businesses that stayed open past 5pm, stayed open on Sundays and holidays, and stayed open all night. And people came and shopped and validated those companies' decisions to stay open during those times.
Mom (eeyore344 here) works at Walmart (no unions here, though.) There was a day an uncle came in on a holiday and made some comment like how it was a shame that it was a holiday and she was working her response to him was, "If it weren't for people like you who come in and shop on a holiday, companies like this wouldn't be open." Which is true. (But, then, if stores/businesses like that weren't open, we'd just have to stay home.) Mom gets next to no holidays off (she asked for Labor Day and got it, but she only asked for it because my DD was out of school and my school system was in session on Labor Day, the daycare that she goes to when I have to work was also closed, so somebody had to be off that day.)
Also, I had a friend once that had moved from a city out West to a relatively small (yet relatively progressive) town here in the South. He couldn't stand it because if you wanted to go do something in the city, there was always something open, 24-7. Most everything in the small town closed by 9, midnight at the latest. You couldn't explain that this set up was just how it was, and that it was NORMAL for the area.
I think, to an extent, I like the way that Walmart is doing the sale this year. Staggered...with the things I'm interested in at 8 tonight, which is still fairly reasonable of a time to be out. The big items that everyone would usually be fighting over at 5am are now going out at 10, with the guarantee that, if you are in the store during that first hour, you'll be able to get the item by Christmas at that price (three of those items, anyway...) Plus, many of the stores are already 24 hours and have been open on Thanksgiving for years. Just a shock for us this year that they made department managers (like Mom) work. She's been there for an hour and a half already, will get off at 8 tonight, then go back at 430 in the morning.
different strokes. i personally am not interested in going shopping and even less interested in fighting for something that I probably don't need.
i hope your mom sleeps well though!
I really just like going for the $4 character pajamas...my DD always needs pajamas. Usually, I see things I want, set a time for myself (like, say, 8 am), and, well, if it's not there by the time I get there, it isn't meant for me to have it. 2 years ago, they had the DS Lite on sale for $80 or so, and they still had a whole case full in the color I wanted when I got there. Last year, I wanted a camera (which was Mom's Christmas gift for me, but they can't shop while they're on the clock.) When I got there around 8:00, there was ONE left.
Mom will probably not sleep until she gets home around noon tomorrow.
The only reasons the stores are doing it, is because its what a good portion of the consumers want. Stop blaming the stores.
Love your post, lol. Last Thanksgiving my 2 daughters and I were at Family Dollar at 8am on Thanksgiving Day. Back home in time to put the meal on the table. Then off to Kohl's at midnight.
This year we're just staying in.
I've worked for JCP p/t for 18 years. They (mgt.) have actually treated employees quite well. It has been a good organization to work for for the most part. In the store I work employees who celebrate the traditional polish Christmas Eve are always given the time off without question. Not only have I never been turned down for any time off request, mgt. has always been great about working around my crazy schedule. In addition, JCP allowed a union photographer to do a photo shoot for a national union magazine that was doing an article on me (long story). The company has had its ups and downs over the past two decades I've been there, but for the most part I've been treated fairly.
We were talking about this at dinner, my niece works at Walmart. They are open 24/7 except for Christmas Day. So they were always open on Thanksgiving. She said no one is planning to strike at her store, she's excited about overtime and getting a shopping bonus (20% off).
The whole Black Friday thing is ridiculous. I am doing my part. I REFUSE to shop on Black Friday, and I most certainly will not shop for Christmas presents on Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving is about being with your family. We have, unfortunately, forgotten the true meaning of the holidays and are all out trying our best to buy meaningless trinkets. Sad.
And, does anyone thing that those early shoppers are "winning" anything. I don't. The real winners are the stores....not the shoppers.
I've seen this same photo posted on facebook. It bugged me then, and it bugs me now. Unfortunately, protecting America doesn't take holidays...it can't. Nor can caring for sick people (doctors, nurses, hospital staff) take a holiday. And, I thank God that there are people who do these jobs, and do them well. On the other hand, retail CAN and SHOULD take a holiday. There is no "necessary" work that needs to be carried out by Walmart or Target. And, to make the comparison between the two is absurd.
Who are you to say what is necessary for them? Sorry not everyone celebrates Thanksgiving, not everyone wants or even needs to spend the whole entire day with family. You want to, fine go for it, but please don't assume your opinion is the right one for all of us.
Don't want to work, don't go into a field where it is required. Don't want to shop, then don't.
Would you say the same about restaurants, theaters and themeparks?
Yes. I believe that people should be allowed to celebrate the few national holidays we have in this country...unless their work is essential or necessary. And, no, the above do not fall in that category. And, if people are made to work on those days I think they can complain all they want, without others rolling their eyes and claiming they are somehow whiners.
To get back to the title of this thread.... Robert Reich wrote an excellent piece on this subject. Google his name and Walmart and you should be able to find it
So what makes retail employees so special that they should have the day off, but not doctors, nursers, first responder or the military?
I often go to the movies on Thanksgiving (and went last night). Lots of people there. No one is creating petitions or thinking of striking over them. I also have eaten my Thanksgiving dinner out at a restaurant, bought gas at a gas station, filled a prescription at a pharmacy...no one said "boo" until the retail people started whining.
Honestly, with all of the people out of work, I would think that they shouldn't make such a stink in this economy. They know what type of industry they are in and know what it involves when they accept the job.
The latter folk are saving/protecting/defending lives?
There is a big difference between going to Target or Cracker Barrel on Thanksgiving and going to the ER on Thanksgiving...
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