I addressed those points in my post, I'll say it again. We wouldn't get QS desserts, however if you subtract the cost of them, we still come out ahead, but closer to $50. Like I said, I addressed that. We don't have higher gratuities. Ours are the exact same they would be. We don't order desserts, BUT out of 10 TS meals we are only eating at 1 that has a separate dessert and isn't price fixed. The prices are the same on and off the dining plan. We ate at these same restaurants before the dining plan existed. We eat them (plus newer ones) because we like them. Again, I addressed this in my post. I said in my post (it really seems like you skimmed not read) that we wouldn't buy the DDP OOP, but that's simply because the food costs have become outrageous no matter how you slice it. It still does save us money, but paying the buffet costs every night is not something we want to do, on the DDP or not. That doesn't mean the DDP doesn't still save slightly over paying for the restaurants we like OOP. It just means we would sacrifice going to them because they are crazy. Lastly, free dining is the better deal for my family. There was no RD available for our resort this trip (or it was something tiny). We are 5 Disney adults. It takes a huge room discount for us to eat even close to the way we like to that would make FD not worth it. For us, 35% on a rack rate of $700-800 a night was the point at which the RD is more beneficial. I had already stated that it is not easy to save money on the DDP, but it is not impossible like you stated. It depends entirely on how you would eat off the DDP. Like I said though, seems like you only skimmed my post. You are obviously one of those people who are convinced that there is no possible way that DDP or FD can work for a family, so I think I'm wasting my time here.