Avatar ground breaking = done deal?

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  1. rteetz

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    I agree disney should bring some of the old, present and future of Star Wars to the parks that would be great.
     
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  3. DRDISNEYMD

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    ~Wow. It's been a while, but nice baiting. I have purposely avoided this most "recent" Avatar debate. It used to be fun with all of the wild rumors about Avatarland being cancelled. But now, it's like what's the point? The project has been officially green lighted and the shovels are "officially" in the ground.

    ~Simply put -- we win, you lose. Avatarland is coming whether we like it or not. I, for one am very excited. :cool1:
     
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    ~I totally agree. This project is going to be bigger or at least more expensive than I originally thought. The budget for Avatarland was $500,000,000 now it's $800,000,000. Yay! :goodvibes

    ~I totally agree. There is no such thing as "budget cut" in James Cameron's world. So, I predict a cool billion, when it's all said and done! :cool1:

    ~Yes! You make this so easy for me. And, James Cameron will be filming Avatar in a brand new format -- 60 fps. Soarin' was filmed in 48 fps. The majority of theaters are not even equipped to show films in this format. So, Cameron has established to team to assist movie cinema's in acquiring new equipment in preparation for the next installment of Avatar. :3dglasses

    ~Very well said! :goodvibes

    ~LOL, don't mess with Suger Mag. :cool1:
     
  5. mvk

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    My son is watching A New Hope (the original one, for those of you that think Star Wars is just a fad) as I type this. We watched Return of the Jedi last night. He's four years old. I don't think its just for nostalgia buffs.

    He received a bunch of Star Wars action figures for Christmas this year, and a light saber. Last night, he just asked if he can get the Emperor, Jabba the Hutt, and Princess Leia action figures.

    Star Wars is huge, one of the most valuable franchises out there, if not the most valuable.

    If they can figure a way to make a cohesive land out of the franchise, it would be a huge game changer for DHS. I'd expect it would come close to overtaking Epcot quickly as the #2 park.
     
  6. Disney Von Drake

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    The popularity of Star Wars is fading fast. In the early twentieth century Tom Swift was hugely popular as well and now few people know of him.

    A lot depends on the new Star Wars movies. They will either reinvigorate the franchise or place it along side of the Lone Ranger, Tonto and Davy Crockett in the land of old stale tales.
     
  7. lockedoutlogic

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    Except that is not what the money says...

    Licensing is tracked each year worldwide...both the number of products and the gross from licensed products.

    Star Wars has been the #1 licensed product 10 of the last 11 years...the other one they were second to toy story.

    Star Wars looks really bad to Star Wars fans and Americans right now...no doubt...because he made crap.

    But Disney didnt buy him out for a cool 4 bil to get its hands on Howard the duck and the young Indiana jones chronicles.
     
  8. Lewisc

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    Avatar is an extremely popular movie. The box office figures and blu ray sales aren't in dispute.

    Critically Avatar is "better then good". Rotten Tomatoes says 83% of the critics gave it a good review. 9 Oscar nominations indicate a movie which is respected.

    None of the actors go nominated. Who cares. Do you think any of the actors would be employed, full time, at Disney?

    It won for visual effects. Good. Maybe that talent can produce a land at AK which has that kind of impact.

    The Pirates attraction produced some decent movies. Haunted House produced a bad movie.

    What you think of the acting and plot of Avatar isn't relevant. The question is what will Disney and Cameron produce for the AK. Acting and plot of the movie have little to do with how good, or bad, the attraction will be.
     
  9. Yellowstonetim

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    I agree.

    Howard the Duck - the dark ride. Everyone wants that one. :rolleyes1
    :rotfl2:
     
  10. rteetz

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    Agreed the visuals is what makes avatar. Cameron and disney have the capability to do great things.
     
  11. Priory

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    This is simply not true. Avatar was not available to purchase on 3D blu ray until October of 2012.

    Prior to that it was bundled as an exclusive bonus for a certain brand of player. This of course would not factor into any sales data.

    You may wish to inform your analysts of this.
     
  12. mvk

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    You couldn't be more wrong about this. Star Wars will always be immensely popular.

    I really enjoyed the prequels, but they were not well received by most. If those three movies didn't kill off the popularity, nothing will.
     
  13. Disney Von Drake

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    The current licensing deals are reflections of historical sales, not current sales. Star Wars merchandise sales have been on a downward slide for several years and its popularity continues to wane.

    None of the top toy retailers (i.e. Wal-Mart, Target, Toy's "R" Us, etc.) had any Star Wars toys in their top ten sales this past year.

    Disney knows that the franchise needs a shot in the arm and they're counting on the upcoming movies to put Star Wars back on the map instead of it being a play land for nostalgia geeks.
     
  14. mvk

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    I'm looking for more recent numbers, but in 2011 sales, Star Wars was #2 behind Disney Princesses, as far as licensed merchandise sales for franchises go. They made $1.5B that year, a 6% increase from 2010.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennago...f-the-20-best-selling-entertainment-products/

    Edit -

    I see they made $1.5B in 2012 as well, good for #2 again behind Disney Princesses.

    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...nsed-merchandise-sales-in-2012-228647991.html

    The 2013 numbers won't likely be out until October, as that was when they released the two prior ones.

    Disney has the following in the top 10 -
    1. Princesses
    2. Star Wars
    4. Cars
    5. Pooh & Friends
    6. Mickey & Friends
    10. Toy Story
     
  15. tcpiii

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    Could not stand the movie. FX were great but that was it for me.
     
  16. twebber55

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    I believe hello kitty is up near the top as well
     
  17. lockedoutlogic

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    Declining sales are most definitely due to lack of new material...
    With all due respect to Cartoon Network...stat wars is a movie franchise...
    And its been almost a decade since the last rather ghastly movie.

    That being said...that's still a heck of a number.

    I'd be interested to see anybody put up that kinda number after 10 years...
    Disney characters are never given that much time off.
     
  18. lockedoutlogic

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    As well as peanuts
     
  19. mvk

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    Except sales aren't declining. As I posted above, in 2011, they spiked 6% to $1.5B. In 2012, they stayed at $1.5B.

    Nothing there indicates that sales are declining. They might not have an individual toy in the WalMart/Target top 10, but they sale such a wide range of merchandise that they still are #2 in licensed sales overall.
     
  20. Yellowstonetim

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    I cannot believe anyone would argue that Star Wars is a fading franchise! Only if you also believe Disney is a fading theme park company. And UFO's are real, and bigfoot has found Noah's ark...

    :rotfl2:

    mvk, don't bother with facts and statistics, they don't matter.

    Oh, on another note, there is a popular misconception that the Star Wars prequels were a failure because of all the fan boy rancor talked about to this day. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    1999 Phantom Menace - Budget: $115 Worldwide: $1 Billion
    2002 Attack of the Clones - Budget:$115 Worldwide: $649.4 Million
    2005 Revenge of the Sith - Budget: $113 Worldwide: $848.8 Million

    Another truth; if a movie is bad, the sequel's drop off very quickly. Yes AOTC dropped but was still a huge hit, and ROTS did great. Total for the three was almost $2.5 Billion on a $343 Million investment! Every movie company in the world wishes they could fail like that!

    Go visit a toy store or talk to elementary and Jr. High kids. Star Wars is doing just fine. Clone Wars, toys, books, and continuing interest in the 6 movies are keeping it going fine.

    I would say the Star Wars is like Disney - In popular culture their is no property that even comes close for longevity and broad appeal. It's place in culture is on par with Santa Claus, but a little bit more profitable.:lmao:
     
  21. mvk

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    Well, according to some here, Disney is about to be toppled by Universal any day now.

    Hyperbole from me? A bit, but not too much.
     

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