AP's to get 20 FP+ per quarter

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  1. doconeill

    doconeill Fastpass Jedi Master DIS Lifetime Sponsor

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    I am quite confident there will be day-of FP+, but how many is a question - depends what they keep in reserve vs. allowed to be booked in advance.

    Less confident is whether you can get any of them if you've used your "three" already.
     
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  3. Melodious

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    I have no idea about more than 3. It seems many think that if you don't get fp+ 60 days in advance you're out of luck. I don't think that will be the case
     
  4. Colleen27

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    That's an interesting thought. A lot of your other positives are the things that keep me from being too down on the system until we know more. Since FP enforcement started I haven't used a single one because I had my 60-something mom with us on the last trip and just couldn't seem to work our days around our assigned return times without a ton of back-and-forth that her knee just wasn't up to. To me, that's a VERY attractive perk, to be able to schedule things like Soarin' that are out-of-the-way of the rest of our touring so we don't have to double back to it.

    But it never crossed my mind (and now it is like "Duh, why didn't I think of that") that the new system would have room for both pre-reserved and same-day/in-park FP+ access. That would explain testing they've been doing tweaking total FP allotment and FP/standby ratios; they can't honestly think that at 3 per guest per day they need the capacity they're currently routing through the FP system, but if they plan on making FP+ available pre-arrival to certain guests and same-day to all guests the need for more FP/less standby capacity makes perfect sense. And it also makes the idea of tiered access to the pre-reservation system much more palatable, because guests who stay off-site or in value resorts aren't stuck in standby while deluxe guests fill the FP returns; it becomes something more like the 180+10, where everyone gets a shot but a certain group gets a small head start.
     
  5. mom2rtk

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    This pretty much is the entire thing in a nutshell. These 2 things are "it" for me. I don't care about advance planning, I don't care about almost being required to carry a smart phone, I don't care about having to wear a bracelet.

    I care about whether my ride access will be diminished. Period. And these 2 points are why.
     
  6. Robo

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    What percentage of "good ones" will make a difference?

    If there are 150 (maybe 550, maybe 950, I don't know) FP's for TSM available on the day of arrival, how long will those last?

    And, (just supposin') since they'll be able to be snapped up electronically, they'll
    likely all be taken in less than 60-120 seconds from the "open of business" (whenever that may be.)
    And, remember (as far as we have been told,) a registered guest with a larger group in their profile (say 6-10 guests) will be able to grab that larger number of those FP's in a click or two.

    Is that going to make day-of guests happy?

    Is there another scenario that might work?





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  7. SaraJayne

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  8. mbrittb00

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    What if you have 4 kids? Even if all their favs were available the 3 limit means someone misses out. And what about parents? Do they not get to choose any favs?
     
  9. dadddio

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    Then you either try for same-day FPs for the fourth ride or you wait in the standby line and play with the interactive queue.

    What do you do now if you can only get FPs for three out of four must-do rides?
     
  10. Cinderumbrella

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    Clearly then Mom gets one, Dad gets one and your 4 kids all have to arm wrestle for the last one ;)
     
  11. dadddio

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    I don't think percentages matter, at this point. They will be easily adjusted as things progress.
     
  12. Robbi

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    The way around this is not to have APs or to schedule in advance. I'm waiting to see what happens with both. Our AP renewal is in February but I will not renew at this point because while I do like to plan, I won't plan what we'll ride each day. We kind of know how we tour each park but stuff happens. Another thought is park hoppers. If FPs can only be used in one park each day, then what's the good of the hoppers? We have used them for dinner in different parks but we won't do that anymore.
     
  13. aubriee

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    I agree! As an AP holder who goes several times a year, I have favorite rides that I go on over and over, but I'm usually out of the park around lunch and then either go back to the room to rest and then to another park that evening or go somewhere off property. I never spend a whole day in any park. For example, DS is my least favorite park. Prior to Toy Story Mania there were alot of trips where I never even made it over there the entire trip. Even now I am always out of there by lunch. I will arrive early for rope drop to make sure I'm in the very front of the mob making that mad dash to TSM. As soon as I get over there, I grab a fast pass, then ride it twice stand by. I then run over and ride Star Tours (usually twice in a row), may ride RnR single rider, then go back over to use my FP at TSM. I am then usually headed out of the park before lunch (having ridden TSM at least three times, if not four), heading to another park where I again grab fast passes. Under this new system I would only be able to get a FP+ for one headliner, then would either have to waste two more FP+ on something I didn't really want to ride or since if you use one, then you must use two more in that same park, I'd probably just lose those two FP+. As an AP holder who would be staying offsite, I'd only be getting 20 per quarter anyway. Since sometimes I would have two trips that fell within the same quarter, I'd have some trips where I couldn't even use a fast pass all trip and other trips, where I'd have just enough fastpasses to last five days out of the ten or eleven days that I'd be there, but would have to waste some of those on minor rides that I really don't even want to ride anyway (or else lose them). If I'm willing to get up early every morning to make every rope drop and want to ride the same few rides over and over why shouldn't I be allowed to. Everyone else has the exact same opportunity to get up out of bed and do the same thing. It seems like this new system is rewarding those that choose to sleep in and really limiting AP holders who choose to stay offsite, but are willing to get up and into the parks early.
     
  14. Robo

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    Yup. Another fix.

    Forget percentages.

    My point is that if they intend FP+ to be all things to all people, there simply are not enough FP positions available daily for the E-tickets to make each category of guest "happy."




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  15. mom2rtk

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    Apparently it's just not seen as "fair" to the folks who "can't" get up that early.

    You know, they finally broke up "the running of the bulls" with an early soft opening every day.

    Am I the only one thinking this could make mornings worse at DHS again? Standby is really only a good option if you get there first thing. If you want to ride more than once, rope drop is going to be the only way to "easily" accomplish this now (it seems).
     
  16. mbrittb00

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    Your making an assumption that under the current system we can't get FPs for all the must-do rides. Your assumption is incorrect.
     
  17. mom2rtk

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    Did I miss something? I've been in and out so it's possible.

    Do we have confirmation that people will indeed be able to get more FP's beyond their 3 pre-scheduled ones in FP+?
     
  18. mbrittb00

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    I haven't see anything one way or the other.
     
  19. JeRmS

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    It's all assumptions right now. I don't think there is anyone out there that knows exactly how this will all work!

    I hope to hear something by May, when my AP's need renewed :sad2:
     
  20. mom2rtk

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    Then it's sort of confusing to tell the other poster they were incorrect.

    Thanks for the clarification.
     
  21. MickeyMinnieMom

    MickeyMinnieMom If you ticket it, they will come... ;)

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    I'm sure that Disney knows that there is absolutely no way to make everyone happy. Just read these boards... yikes.
     

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