Another rude castmember thread

Discussion in 'Theme Parks Community' started by Julylady, Jun 20, 2013.

  1. MartDM

    MartDM DIS Veteran

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    We've been going to WDW for decades. Here & there, we run into a cast member who is less than pleasant. My approach has always been to assume that they probably were just on the receiving end of some guests unwarranted verbal assault (something we see very often at WDW) and we try to be extra nice to level out their bad karma ;)

    I NEVER am so self important as to expect perfection when it comes to customer service at WDW. Those folks have a tough row to hoe and guests get ruder all the time. Frankly, I'm amazed that they manage to maintain as well as they do in light of what they are forced to deal with every hour! I can't fault them for losing their veneer now & then.
     
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  3. Magpie

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    I don't think this is workable on either side. People don't always mean to be rude. Cultural differences happen. Misunderstandings happen. And throwing guests out of the park for perceived "rudeness" would be disastrous for the company.

    As for firing the CMs over TWO complaints? Goodness, have you ever read notalwaysright.com? Sometimes people complain when there's no reason to complain, when the fault is theirs, and over the aforementioned misunderstandings.

    Managers need to be free to use their judgement. Zero tolerance policies never work, and only lead to misery.
     
  4. ddwwelsh

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    ...and I'm not taking anyone's in this discussion! LOL

    Seriously, I'm a firm believer in the Golden Rule, but I also believe that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

    We are so quick to point out people's shortcomings, complain when we feel that we've been disrespected, or fail to put ourselves in someone else's position. I'm not dismissing anyone's bad behavior; however, I think positive reinforcement gets the best results in the long run.

    If you feel someone has gone "above and beyond", please let them and their supervisors know that. Be sure to thank them for even the smallest courtesy, and strike up a friendly, light conversation.

    I always try to make a joke or compliment folks. It's surprising how it affects one's attitude.
     
  5. Kristine316

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    Its a good rule to treat people with respect and treat others the way you want to be treated. However... you are basically saying every time a guest encounters a rude CM its because they somehow provoked it with their attitude. You are implying that everyone who ever experienced a rude CM somehow deserved it because you just said "honestly the cast will treat you with respect if you show it to them"

    Sorry but, I totally disagree with this... I experienced it first hand with a CM and I will never, ever accept that my family did anything remotely close to deserving the treatment we received that day. We only said a few words to him and those words were polite.. like "sorry" and "thank you".


    I don't get this mentality that Disney CM's can do no wrong and the guest is always the problem. That seems like a broad sweeping mindset that is utterly unrealistic. There are how many CM's at Disney and how many guests... I would bet not every incident of bad CM behavior is triggered by an out of control or rude guest.. the odds that every incident is the guests fault seems almost astronomical.
     
  6. cobright

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    I'll own up to being rude to a CM. It happened when I got some bad news about our room not being ready I vented. It wasn't my finest hour. I may have uttered a bit profanity. I'm not proud of it.

    And I immediately realized what I had done and apologized. There are circumstances under which we all may do things that we are not proud of.

    I could chalk incident #1 up to a difference of communication styles. It may have been more important to that CM that you understand that the girl should be scanning a finger so that you aren't surprised next time when that happens. The OP was likely defensive of her daughter and that colored to an extent how she perceived the situation. I'm not saying that was absolutely the case, but a person could behave as she described while still having the best of intentions at heart.

    Incident #2 should have been over the moment someone told the CM to leave the chair. The CM sounded very defensive and wanted to make sure everyone knew she was doing what she was told to do. But it was an argument that had no purpose other than to save face. She should have led with, "I'm so sorry..."
     
  7. k5thbeatle

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    Pretty much same here. It's rare but yes like most we have encountered these too over the years and generally we just ignore them and move on. I can't give an actual number but the rude cm's we've encountered has been rare.
     
  8. w117monte

    w117monte Earning My Ears

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    In 08 we went right after the election. A cast member at one of our meals was commenting to us about politics and I thought that was really unprofessional.

    Then in 09, on test track, a couple must have gotten in the stand by line by mistake, and they asked the cast member at the front of the line if they could ride as a couple, and the girl replies to them "there are no couples in this line."
     
  9. polyfor4

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    Hindsight yes I wish I would have but in the moment we had just checked in and just wanted to go on with our day. Also it was my mom's choice not to complain, she let it roll off of her so I did too. She didn't say anything ugly or get in her face but she had an aggravated tone. Basically they had gotten in a bunch of new stock and the CM wanted to announce the frustration of it all so her boss could hear it. And I guess my point was just the same as yours in that, that behavior is not acceptable anywhere much less Disney. I don't think Disney will see this thread and make immediate changes but its all a drop in the bucket. I wanted to share my story because it was shocking to me too and I just wanted to get the point across that never in 11 years have I seen said behavior. In other words, I believe it has been a more recent decline.
     
  10. dulluth

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    I love this thread because we are so quick to focus on the one or two bad experiences, rather than the multitude of positive ones. Thanks for posting this! And for all out there ... if you do experience the bad, make it your goal to find all the positives and hold that instead
     
  11. Planogirl

    Planogirl I feel the nerd in me stirring

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    I agree that it's important to focus on the positive as much as possible. Outright rudeness from a CM should not be tolerated but I don't agree with the idea of zero tolerance either. I also work in customer service and I know that people often lie or exaggerate or just plain misunderstand. No way should every complaint from the public be taken at face value.
     
  12. Granny square

    Granny square Always planning a trip!

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    Actually that was the opposite of what my mom and I dealt with during our problems there. They acted like I was a lying Sneak thief when my key wouldn't open the laundry room. 1/2 hour later they discovered that the key had been randomly deactivated through no ones fault.

    My mom went back two hours later then they had promised for her room (picture sweet tiny 80 year old woman) and they snapped at her that they had just told her it would be a half hour. The computer proved them wrong.

    So someone might have been ride and put them into snarly moods but it sure as hell wasn't us. So don't go blaming the people who are just trying to go about their vacation in a happy way.
     
  13. Amunet

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    When you take a customer service position or any job, you know what you're being paid and you have it basically tattooed into your brain that you always need to be professional and polite.
    That said, if a customer is being unreasonable/shouting/yelling/swearing/disrespecting, as an employee you do have rights.

    Also, I don't know why everyone is pointing fingers at customers, yeah, they're horrid at times, but as far as I know, DIS people are the nicest Disney fanatics I know ^_^

    When a brand advertises Magic, that's what you expect.
     
  14. bluejasmine

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    I too am a HUGE golden rule believer...

    That being said I don't care what anyone says NO ONE is going to always be happy, smiling and pleasant 24/7 on the job it's impossible and anyone that's says that the WDW CMs should be isa hypocrite!

    No I don't believe rudeness from a guest or CM is warranted but it happens and normally there is circumstances that lead up to that.

    Not saying CMs are always right but look at it this way too... There are thousands of guest every day and CMs deal with thousands of complaints a day some we all know that are ridiculously petty..

    I try and email guest services praising the CMs that went out of their way for us or any guest that I see. I have had one incident where I had to complain b/c a security officer at The Poly who was called to our room to file a report on a pair of ray bands that were stolen after we had to move rooms commented three times that we had been there the yr before "and report stolen items" which was untrue we have never reported anything before and the insinuation was insulting it left me in tears..

    ASMU/POR Dec 16-22, 2012 & CR Sept 8-15, 2013
     
  15. emacat

    emacat Polishing up my ears

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    Cast members are people too, and sometimes we all have bad days. Having said that, our company just had a seminar with Disney all about meeting high expectations, with each and every guest every time.
    If they wish to continue being the best known in the world, they have to ensure their people follow the same expectations expected from the large universities, businesses and hospitals they sell their marketing plan to. We were very clearly told that our personal life ends at the time clock, that we do not allow ourselves to be upset, and that "glass half empty" people should not be employed or should be let go if possible. It was a great, motivating seminar. Perhaps they need a reminder if they don't present service excellence, every time. I would nicely let a manager know in the future.
     
  16. Julylady

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    OP here. Wow! This thread took on a life of it's own! Spent a 2nd day at the Magic Kingdom yesterday. After spending the morning at the pool we got to the park about 2pm. I am happy to report that my niece used the finger scan without incident. The skies were threatening for much of the afternoon, but the rain held off until about 6pm. It did become much cooler after the rain started. That was nice!

    Thanks to all who replied. It is interesting to see all the differing opinions. With my two incidents, I still believe it was about the cast member's need to be "right." And technically they were right. However, when at Disney I want to be in a nice, happy bubble of an experience. And as "cast members" it's their job to make that happen. A tall order, yes, but that's the Disney difference that I have come to expect. An earlier poster commented about the cast member's need to "save face." I think that was it exactly. I still believe that more training is needed. Again, not training on how to do their job, but training on what makes Disney such a special place.

    Interestingly, I witnessed an incident last night where a cast member got it right. We were waiting for the parade on a wall over by Pecos Bills. Two ladies pulled the chairs from the restaurant right up to the parade rope. A cast member walked up to them with a smile and explained that they couldn't take the chairs out of the restaurant. He helped them to find another place on the wall to sit down. He handled it well, and they responded well.
     
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    I don't think you have to be happy all the time, but when your job involves customer service you act happy.

    I worked retail for five years and now I'm a librarian so I still deal with the public on a daily basis. I don't think it's acceptable to be abused and I have dealt with crappy customers. But you deal with them and put your fake happy face back on for the next customer, because it isn't their fault, you know? It's part of the job.
     
  19. WDSearcher

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    I think more training will help -- more reinforcement almost always does. But there are still going to be people working for Disney who simply don't "get it". With a workforce of over 55,000 in Florida alone, it's safe to say that there will be a few people in that group of CMs who -- like some of our friends & relatives ;) -- just don't understand the magic, no matter how many times it's told to them. That doesn't make them horrible people, but it doesn't mean that Disney can just fire them either. There are unions and rules and protections against that. To whoever suggested the "zero tolerance" / "two strikes and you're out" policy, I'd love to see you try to get that past a union at negotiation time. It's just not that simple. As Planogirl (and others) have said, people can exaggerate, lie, make stuff up, etc. It's not black & white.

    And regarding training ... don't forget that all of the CMs you saw during your trip who were doing exactly what they were supposed to, with professionalism and a smile -- including the young man on the parade route at Pecos Bills -- got the exact same training that the sourpuss CMs got. So ... does it really come down to bad training, or is it just a couple of CMs who are simply in the wrong jobs?

    :earsboy:
     
  20. Granny square

    Granny square Always planning a trip!

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    Posted there too. Lol, it is he extremes that leave an impression. We adore akv so it affected us when we had trouble there. And we tried to be understanding because they were just breaking out the rfid stuff.

    It won't keep us from going back, that is for certain. It will always be my favorite!
     
  21. palmtreegirl

    palmtreegirl Loving life in Florida

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    I think part of the reason is guests being so darn rude, it's jading the cast members. People are so demanding & entitled, they expect a Disney vacation to be perfect at every turn and when its not, they have a melt down. People can only take so much and I think the CM's start to just expect the worse after awhile, pre judge and give out attitude towards everyone because they're in a bad mood from being treated like crap all day.

    I've seen some really horrible guest behavior, multiple times a day and I said to DH you couldn't pay me enough to put up with that. Not saying it excuses the CM's behavior just saying I can see where they would start to just snap. But I also think when that happens they should find a new job.
     

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