LBaron,
Hmmm. . .I'm emotionally torn. I wasn't going to stop respecting your thinking, but I was just not going to talk with you. Your reply was both a tad cool and certainly unexpected. I would have probably just said about my reply. "F-this guy" and move on if I were you. . . although I get 5 hours of sleep each night and have realized I have little patience and have to attend to a life outside of this world.
But. . . I really like this topic; and I think you're probably the class president on this and I want to learn more about it. And deep down, I know it's good to not let my pride get ahead of community and growth. And, don't tell anyone this, but I kind of want to be friends with you even though I don't want anyone to know it so instead it is simply easier to start off by duke-ing it out and then maybe become friends.
So, anyway, are you up for hugging it out _____...? (Reference Ari Gold, Entourage youtube it for a laugh even if you have no idea what the series is about)
Okay, assuming we "DON'T ______ EVER MENTION THIS REVIEW AGAIN." (Reference Ari again), see thoughts below because I am between kids screaming/sleeping/waking/sleeping and have more than a moment to write a chapter. (and forgive the misuse of "quoting" I'm not sure the format to replying will work. . . here we go. . .
"Always"? Jury is out. We can talk more about this later.
[/QUOTE]Which points? Because in your first post I couldnt see if you read anything! You came in with a simple statement that was pretty unrelated to anything that was on the table at the time. I believe you said something to the effect of OH! NUTS!! I dont want to get it wrong so I will have to go look it up!!! Be right back![/QUOTE]
No, just exhausted. I read about 40 reports a week and have to recap, write, or analyze half my day, so I simply have nothing left to write by the end of the day. I prefer bullets.
[/QUOTE]OK! Here it is!
Some great discussions were taking place at the time you wrote this. And most of the were bashing the heck out of Ei$ner & company! Yet you didnt respond, even generally, to any of that. Instead you laid out that you thought they were an Awesome team and you were Forever grateful. I was very confused to say the least. To me, and I was really hoping I was wrong, you sounded like some Pixie Duster from the community board, blinders firmly in place, praising the great Saint Michael, and not even bothering to read anything that hinted that he may have been well ah BAD!! [/QUOTE]
Overall Opinion: I don't think Ei$ner is $atan like you might. I don't like him individually, and post Wells Helicopter, I found him useless and destructive. My favorite Eisner is the one on Family Guy.
I respect the "team of" Eisner, Wells etc because my reality (truth and reality aren't the same as you know, that's why I respect your commitment to truth) was that Eisner assembled (or was the face of) a great team and Wells to me seemed to run the place (The Tangible), while Eisner was a good face for capital markets management which seemed needed (Intangible) at the time whether we liked him or not. Please tell me #1 how I'm wrong and #2 what the solution should have been at that time, not what we know today.
I reviewed your thoughts on how Disney would not have allowed the Eisner evolution (which I want to also believe), but respectfully, that's AdHoc. He's dead unfortunately and so we have no idea where he would have gone. We "believe", but we don't know.
Would he have been the same running a public company; what pressures would have been put on him? And, he eventually would have died, what succession plan would have been in place?
The worst thing could have been simply Disney going public, Eisner, Wells, Disney RIP or not. I occasionally imaging a world where capital could be raised, primarily by DisBoarders , to buy out Disney, take it public, spin off ABC. . . oh, for another time.
We have to play the hand dealt to us, not the one we want. So. . .
The history we know is the one of Team Eisner "reality" a better place than pre-Eisner for someone my age. Perhaps not your age and reality. Eisner was the face, but I infer it was because Wells was the better man at the job.
Post Wells, I felt within a few years the spiraling, (symbolic). The parks lost their "magic" whatever reality we each want to call it. Eisner scrambled it seemed, typical Venture Capital flipper mentality.
The insult on Disney legacy drove me nuts. I used to think Disney (corporate) mission was to try to create a perfect place in an imperfect world. I felt and lived that when I visited. Reality, maybe not truth.
Post Wells, I now am always assuming something sinister behind every Disney (corporate) move. I no longer even care if we stay on site. We maybe go every other year, and I don't get very excited. I'm angry about that.
There are four people (all dead) that I either worship or come pretty close to it. . .in order: Jesus, the risen (worship); Jesus the human (worship); St Francis; distance but important fourth: Walt Disney.
Disney Magic to me came from the heart of the man: Perfection, no small detail left behind, commitment to a passion that meant a better place for others; service-orientation over goal orientation. He played his game like no other and inspired me and millions of others to do the same and his legacy is/was a series of parks and resorts where we could once walk around and feel his presence, although today, I feel each year he's slipping away. No one can replace him, but I expect the best of all who take his place.
[/QUOTE]To further my confusion you used a quote that was wrong!! And you said you agreed with it!! It claimed that Wells was the creative guy. Anyone who knows anything about the recent Disney past knows that Wells was really the sharp pencil guy. But his saving grace was that he understood Disneys business model. One of QUALITY!! So he took a hands-off approach and let, for the most part, the Disney worker bees do their magic! VERY SMART!! And something Ei$ner could never quite grasp![/QUOTE]
See above. Tangible/Intangible
[/QUOTE]One more bit for my confusion. You also said:
And I still dont quite understand what that means, especially since you say you agreed that Wells was the creative one![/QUOTE]
Define Creative. See above.
[/QUOTE]Now. I could have just ignored your post. But I was really curious as to the motivations behind it. It seemed as though there were three possibilities.
First: You were some troll, casting your line in the water hoping either Mr. Head or I would bite. [/QUOTE]
That's funny. . .I didn't know what troll was until now. I think that was to goal of my last reply.
[/QUOTE]Second: You were some Pixie Dusted poster that just had to defend Ei$ner & crew and really didnt know how.[/QUOTE]
No. See above.
[/QUOTE]Third: You really did read everything and still thought like did, (i.e. They were awesome, Forever grateful). If that were the case, I really wanted to talk to you!![/QUOTE]
I am forever grateful. I read what all was posted. I don't disagree, but most of what was written was Monday Morning Quarterbacking. The reality is I had a darn good time in the early to mid 90's in Disney and at that time, I wasn't smart enough to perceive another way that could be better. Post Wells, not grateful. Pissed. Since then, still pissed.
But teach me because I don't know: what other plan did Disney Corp have in lieu of Eisner at that time?
[/QUOTE]So I laid it out the way I did. Surely to catch a troll if #1 was true. Being ignored, or called an ANTI-DISNEY name if #2 were true. And finally, hoping that I wouldnt offend you and maybe get you talking if #3 were true.
Sadly I failed!! I do apologize. I NEVER want to stop the conversation! Please, join in. Now that I know where youre coming from, I will never be dismissive.
But I still have to answer some other scathing words that were written
You see. That is simply WRONG!! I NEVER get upset about anything that is written here. I get a frustrated at times, but never, NEVER upset. In your case I was just plain old CURIOUS![/QUOTE]
okay. I see that now.
[/QUOTE]Thats true. Thats why I posted the way I did.
I dont mean to be rude, and I am clearly NOT upset, but the knife cuts both ways.
Thanks. Then why not engage in some sort of conversation instead of an assertion of a fairly unpopular (at least in this thread) view. I mean, you could have opened the conversation just a tad bit better, dont you think? If you don't have time to write a War and Peace epic, bullet points are just fine. Phrases. Anything more than a simple declarative statement, that runs pretty contrary to the arguments presented in this thread. What do think? Want to start over?[/QUOTE]
Touche.
[/QUOTE]You know nothing about me. (Hmmmm. Where did I hear those words before?)[/QUOTE]
Touche.
[/QUOTE]OUCH!! WOW!! OUCH AGAIN!! (smiley face so you know I'm not upset!!)
I really do apologize. I didnt mean to set you straight. I meant to get you talking! I failed.
Me too!! (As I said, you know nothing about me!!)
Hope to talk to you soon!![/QUOTE]
Me too. I hope the edits above come out clear (as well as my thoughts). We'll see where this goes.
Hmmm. . .I'm emotionally torn. I wasn't going to stop respecting your thinking, but I was just not going to talk with you. Your reply was both a tad cool and certainly unexpected. I would have probably just said about my reply. "F-this guy" and move on if I were you. . . although I get 5 hours of sleep each night and have realized I have little patience and have to attend to a life outside of this world.
But. . . I really like this topic; and I think you're probably the class president on this and I want to learn more about it. And deep down, I know it's good to not let my pride get ahead of community and growth. And, don't tell anyone this, but I kind of want to be friends with you even though I don't want anyone to know it so instead it is simply easier to start off by duke-ing it out and then maybe become friends.
So, anyway, are you up for hugging it out _____...? (Reference Ari Gold, Entourage youtube it for a laugh even if you have no idea what the series is about)
Okay, assuming we "DON'T ______ EVER MENTION THIS REVIEW AGAIN." (Reference Ari again), see thoughts below because I am between kids screaming/sleeping/waking/sleeping and have more than a moment to write a chapter. (and forgive the misuse of "quoting" I'm not sure the format to replying will work. . . here we go. . .
akadada
I am always relaxed. Thank you.
"Always"? Jury is out. We can talk more about this later.
[/QUOTE]Which points? Because in your first post I couldnt see if you read anything! You came in with a simple statement that was pretty unrelated to anything that was on the table at the time. I believe you said something to the effect of OH! NUTS!! I dont want to get it wrong so I will have to go look it up!!! Be right back![/QUOTE]
No, just exhausted. I read about 40 reports a week and have to recap, write, or analyze half my day, so I simply have nothing left to write by the end of the day. I prefer bullets.
[/QUOTE]OK! Here it is!
Some great discussions were taking place at the time you wrote this. And most of the were bashing the heck out of Ei$ner & company! Yet you didnt respond, even generally, to any of that. Instead you laid out that you thought they were an Awesome team and you were Forever grateful. I was very confused to say the least. To me, and I was really hoping I was wrong, you sounded like some Pixie Duster from the community board, blinders firmly in place, praising the great Saint Michael, and not even bothering to read anything that hinted that he may have been well ah BAD!! [/QUOTE]
Overall Opinion: I don't think Ei$ner is $atan like you might. I don't like him individually, and post Wells Helicopter, I found him useless and destructive. My favorite Eisner is the one on Family Guy.
I respect the "team of" Eisner, Wells etc because my reality (truth and reality aren't the same as you know, that's why I respect your commitment to truth) was that Eisner assembled (or was the face of) a great team and Wells to me seemed to run the place (The Tangible), while Eisner was a good face for capital markets management which seemed needed (Intangible) at the time whether we liked him or not. Please tell me #1 how I'm wrong and #2 what the solution should have been at that time, not what we know today.
I reviewed your thoughts on how Disney would not have allowed the Eisner evolution (which I want to also believe), but respectfully, that's AdHoc. He's dead unfortunately and so we have no idea where he would have gone. We "believe", but we don't know.
Would he have been the same running a public company; what pressures would have been put on him? And, he eventually would have died, what succession plan would have been in place?
The worst thing could have been simply Disney going public, Eisner, Wells, Disney RIP or not. I occasionally imaging a world where capital could be raised, primarily by DisBoarders , to buy out Disney, take it public, spin off ABC. . . oh, for another time.
We have to play the hand dealt to us, not the one we want. So. . .
The history we know is the one of Team Eisner "reality" a better place than pre-Eisner for someone my age. Perhaps not your age and reality. Eisner was the face, but I infer it was because Wells was the better man at the job.
Post Wells, I felt within a few years the spiraling, (symbolic). The parks lost their "magic" whatever reality we each want to call it. Eisner scrambled it seemed, typical Venture Capital flipper mentality.
The insult on Disney legacy drove me nuts. I used to think Disney (corporate) mission was to try to create a perfect place in an imperfect world. I felt and lived that when I visited. Reality, maybe not truth.
Post Wells, I now am always assuming something sinister behind every Disney (corporate) move. I no longer even care if we stay on site. We maybe go every other year, and I don't get very excited. I'm angry about that.
There are four people (all dead) that I either worship or come pretty close to it. . .in order: Jesus, the risen (worship); Jesus the human (worship); St Francis; distance but important fourth: Walt Disney.
Disney Magic to me came from the heart of the man: Perfection, no small detail left behind, commitment to a passion that meant a better place for others; service-orientation over goal orientation. He played his game like no other and inspired me and millions of others to do the same and his legacy is/was a series of parks and resorts where we could once walk around and feel his presence, although today, I feel each year he's slipping away. No one can replace him, but I expect the best of all who take his place.
[/QUOTE]To further my confusion you used a quote that was wrong!! And you said you agreed with it!! It claimed that Wells was the creative guy. Anyone who knows anything about the recent Disney past knows that Wells was really the sharp pencil guy. But his saving grace was that he understood Disneys business model. One of QUALITY!! So he took a hands-off approach and let, for the most part, the Disney worker bees do their magic! VERY SMART!! And something Ei$ner could never quite grasp![/QUOTE]
See above. Tangible/Intangible
[/QUOTE]One more bit for my confusion. You also said:
And I still dont quite understand what that means, especially since you say you agreed that Wells was the creative one![/QUOTE]
Define Creative. See above.
[/QUOTE]Now. I could have just ignored your post. But I was really curious as to the motivations behind it. It seemed as though there were three possibilities.
First: You were some troll, casting your line in the water hoping either Mr. Head or I would bite. [/QUOTE]
That's funny. . .I didn't know what troll was until now. I think that was to goal of my last reply.
[/QUOTE]Second: You were some Pixie Dusted poster that just had to defend Ei$ner & crew and really didnt know how.[/QUOTE]
No. See above.
[/QUOTE]Third: You really did read everything and still thought like did, (i.e. They were awesome, Forever grateful). If that were the case, I really wanted to talk to you!![/QUOTE]
I am forever grateful. I read what all was posted. I don't disagree, but most of what was written was Monday Morning Quarterbacking. The reality is I had a darn good time in the early to mid 90's in Disney and at that time, I wasn't smart enough to perceive another way that could be better. Post Wells, not grateful. Pissed. Since then, still pissed.
But teach me because I don't know: what other plan did Disney Corp have in lieu of Eisner at that time?
[/QUOTE]So I laid it out the way I did. Surely to catch a troll if #1 was true. Being ignored, or called an ANTI-DISNEY name if #2 were true. And finally, hoping that I wouldnt offend you and maybe get you talking if #3 were true.
Sadly I failed!! I do apologize. I NEVER want to stop the conversation! Please, join in. Now that I know where youre coming from, I will never be dismissive.
But I still have to answer some other scathing words that were written
You see. That is simply WRONG!! I NEVER get upset about anything that is written here. I get a frustrated at times, but never, NEVER upset. In your case I was just plain old CURIOUS![/QUOTE]
okay. I see that now.
[/QUOTE]Thats true. Thats why I posted the way I did.
I dont mean to be rude, and I am clearly NOT upset, but the knife cuts both ways.
Thanks. Then why not engage in some sort of conversation instead of an assertion of a fairly unpopular (at least in this thread) view. I mean, you could have opened the conversation just a tad bit better, dont you think? If you don't have time to write a War and Peace epic, bullet points are just fine. Phrases. Anything more than a simple declarative statement, that runs pretty contrary to the arguments presented in this thread. What do think? Want to start over?[/QUOTE]
Touche.
[/QUOTE]You know nothing about me. (Hmmmm. Where did I hear those words before?)[/QUOTE]
Touche.
[/QUOTE]OUCH!! WOW!! OUCH AGAIN!! (smiley face so you know I'm not upset!!)
I really do apologize. I didnt mean to set you straight. I meant to get you talking! I failed.
Me too!! (As I said, you know nothing about me!!)
Hope to talk to you soon!![/QUOTE]
Me too. I hope the edits above come out clear (as well as my thoughts). We'll see where this goes.