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  1. natmom

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    Oh my kids teachers miss plenty of days on the job and typically the supply teacher does little or no work.
     
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  3. Dug720

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    Speaking from my personal experience, we are required to leave lesson plans and work to be done. I know for a fact from my paraprofessional that my assistant principal came into my room and checked it when I was at a principal-assigned meeting.

    Sadly, they do not require that the sub do it.
     
  4. natmom

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    Well of course they have extra work to do, a school day is 6 hours long, a typical work day in the private sector is 8 1/2 hours minimum, with roughly 3 weeks vacation per year. I would expect teachers to have 2 1/2 hours of prep and planning outside of the 6 hour work day to get up to a full days work.
     
  5. slzer0

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    As another aside - FL public school is not as strict as some would have you believe.
    While enrolled in "regular" high school, DD missed the last week of school due to vacation. (The aforementioned music festival).
    They were MORE THAN HAPPY to administer her final exams a week early - in the hallway while the other students were reviewing and studying. It was her responsibility to prepare early, and well she did.
     
  6. natmom

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    Yes, too bad it is enforced. The students are the ones who suffer. My son's teacher just took a week long trip to vegas in October. He is in grade 8 and there wasn't much done while she was gone.
     
  7. slzer0

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    As my long-teaching DS says as she tries to convince me to Sub for extra money ... "it's just babysitting"
     
  8. neg58

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    See, you easily found something that works for you. Is your child going to virtual college? Some people like it but I don't.

    The teacher isn't telling you you can't take your child out of school, only what will happen if you do - no make up work, falling behind, no funding, marked delinquent, etc. She's following the rules given to her by her employer and state law. We all follow the rules our employers set.

    Nancy
     
  9. TCrawford095

    TCrawford095 Earning My Ears

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    Well, first of all, it is not my choice not to have a textbook. I have to use what I am given-- a textbook is not one of resources. I wish I had one.

    Second, I have no problem giving my lesson plans to parents. In fact, I give a comprehensive syllabus to every student. If you feel guilty for taking them out, that is on you. I simply provide the information. It's your call to make as it should be. However, please don't bury your head in the sand that we won't be learning new concepts that you might not be able to fully teach to the level required on their assessments.

    Thrid, you have kind of proved my point with the question above. Being able to graph a system of linear inequality is a required skill tested on standardized testing. There isn't "another way to solve it." Either you can read and interpret it or you can't. My point is that parents do have their limitations-- I'm a specialist in my field, and they are a specialist in theirs. I don't expect them to know all of the concepts we teach. I'm not saying parents CAN'T learn it, but the majority of parents I know do not how to solve these problems because it has been so long since they have had to do anything like that. Parents take them out for a week and then get mad when their student doesn't understand. It happens all the time. I do the right thing and tutor them after hours, but please understand that if every student did that, it would be bad.

    Fourth, I am paid for 180 days that is stretched over 365. I know you may not think there is a distinction there, but I assure you that my hourly rate for sick time says other wise.
     
  10. slzer0

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    Absolutely. It's the student/parent responsibility to make up all work.
    But it must be provided!
    Some here cite schools which don't allow, or teachers who will not give.

    It's the teacher's responsibility to give - regardless of reason. The reason IMHO is none of their business.

    I don't require that the teacher tell me why she is out, when she is. I expect her to catch up on her work, but no questions asked!

    If the parent-teacher relationship should be as partners, they should behave equally.
     
  11. slzer0

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    No, education at the college level provides her with proper expectations, such as a syllabus. She will be majoring in Biology at a top state school, living on campus and attending classes with the student body.
    While MANY courses of study can be taught very effectively in a virtual environment, Zoology is not one of those.
     
  12. TCrawford095

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    I work about the same hours as your husband during the school year. Yes, I get a long vacation, but who would I teach while the students are on summer break? I almost wish they would have year-long school so that people couldn't throw that in teacher's faces every time they try to offer advice. I don't expect students to never be out. I catch them up after school when they are. I'm not complaining about that. What I am trying to say is that they will miss stuff and it shouldn't be taken lightly.

    And, yes, it is true that many parents do not know how to help their child with some of the math we do in middle school. I know this from personal experience. You might be the exception.
     
  13. Dug720

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    Oh you're funny.

    I wish it was only 2.5 hours per day extra I had to work on school stuff. That might be for the last day of school.
     
  14. natmom

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    That was exactly what I meant with my original comment. I had one teacher who refused to give me work for my son. I gave 2 months notice of his absence, wrote a very polite letter thanking her for the time and effort it would take for her. I wanted to teach my son that he needed to complete his work even though he would be gone. She took it out on my son and treated him badly. I phoned and expressed my displeasure in how she was treating him, after all, he had no choice when we took our vacation. I am the primary caregiver for my father who has COPD. I could only obtain convalescent care during off season and needed to book 10 months in advance. I NEEDED a family vacation after 5 years of 24/7 caring for him. I was shocked by his teachers attitude and she has changed my views on teachers. No more sympathy from me.
     
  15. natmom

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    I agree about the year long school. I actually think the summer vacation is too long of a break for the children. In Germany they have a few longer breaks throughout the year and not such a long break in the summer. I think it works better.
     
  16. PaceFamily

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    Let me know how that works out for the next time a cop pulls you over. :rotfl2:

    Enough devils advocate. The rules/laws are clear and no one has provided any fact to dispute that. Facts outweigh opinions including "This is the way that I feel so they are going to have to do what I say". That ranks right up there with the "because I said so" defense. This is not to scare anyone. All they have to do is talk to their school. If the school says yes, go for it. If they say no, than deal with it.

    In the US, there is money provided by the DOE for every butt in the chairs for each day. IMHO that is what drives the requirements in the US. Children do miss out on some things during the daily education of the school, but nothing that can not be made up if the child's abilities allow. Recently my father became terminally ill and we made one last trip to his favorite destination taking my son out of school. We received the homework package and it was all done when we returned. Honestly, with what little work was sent we wonder what they do all day.

    My son was in private school for kindergarden. During this time they were pushed to excel learning addition, subtraction, multiplication, and started division. He was in 2nd grade Spanish and fluent in Microsoft Office. IN KINDERGARDEN. Unfortunately we were not able to continue this due to a job change at the time and had to place him in public school for first grade. The kids were still working on fine writing skills and starting addition. Really feel that the public education system has let him down ever since. Missing a few days here or there do not really seem to make that much of a difference considering the average student in the average school district.

    This is not a hit to the teachers that work so hard but more to the state of the public school system as a whole. The validity of the argument is still there, but allowances are often made for parents with children that perform well. Of course if a child is struggling may need to skip this.
     
  17. PaceFamily

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    Personally a really big fan of this type of system.:thumbsup2 Children do not forget everything during the summer have have to spend the first several weeks back at school reviewing what was forgotten over the summer. Not to mention that breaks throughout the year would allow for families to vacation at various times throughout the year, maybe at some discounts that this thread is really about.:grouphug:
     
  18. natmom

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    Even the social aspect and the routine for kids. They miss their friends in the summer, routine gets all out of whack. During the school year there are some long stretches where they could use a little break to refresh. I really think year long school would be better all around.
     
  19. tvguy

    tvguy Question anything the facts don't support.

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    It certainly is a hot button topic on these boards. Has been in our public schools here too because it is considered truancy, and when they do the once a semester round up of parents whose kids missed too much school, there are usually a few of very good parents who get arrested and hauled before the judge to explain.
    I know when my kids were in private high school there were parents who selected private school because it was easier to take time off for vacation. That has changed in the last 5 years as the association that accredits privates schools has said it is no longer an acceptable policy.
     
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    tvguy Question anything the facts don't support.

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    They built a high school here just for year round school, back in 1974. It was the only school in the area with air conditioning at the time. 30 years later they converted it to a traditional schedule.
    Elk Grove schools went year round because they had more students than schools, and it allowed them to get more kids in the same buildings. The recession dropped the population, so they are moving away from it.
    I know for one former co-worker with 3 kids, it was a disaster. They would go 3 months on and one month off. She had 1 kid in elementary school, 1 in Junior High and 1 in high school, each on a different track. Other than Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter, her kids never had the same time off the school wouldn't make any adjustments.
     
  21. PaceFamily

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    That is interesting. Germany has an interesting schedule of a few weeks on one week off and similar. Various fragments here and there to allow. Summer off is a hold over from no AC. Granted there are many schools that do not have AC. In my senior high we had one or, if it was a big room, two fans. I think this option has some merit and should be explored to some extent. There are several countries that work this schedule. About same amount of time off but broken up throughout the year.
     

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