a change I wish I could make

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  1. natmom

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    Agreed!!
     
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  3. PaceFamily

    PaceFamily Wife and Grumpy

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    Grumpy's wife here, I'm glad my husband posted! To be honest, and I'll probably get reamed for this, there are so many complaints I just want to say STOP and listen to yourselves. Think about what's being said and the validity of it all. When a family goes on a cruise, thousands of other people will be there too. If that's not something you like or can deal with, go somewhere else. If you don't want to be around smoke, don't go to a DESIGNATED smoking area. The point of a vacation is to be with people you care about while you relax and enjoy some time away. How can that be done if no one is courteous enough to compromise?

    As for policies and rules... It is impossible to please 100% of the population so the best alternative is to create policies that will cover the most important issues pertaining to a huge mass. We as people, and customers, need to UNDERSTAND that not everything will be in our favor. I hear complaints about the cost of the cruise, smoking on the balconies, wearing shorts in the dining room, etc. Shorts in the dining room, really? Who cares? What does someone's outfit have to do with enjoying a meal? As long as the clothing, or lack of, is suitable for all audiences... I don't care what you're wearing. My question is simply put, WHY is it so important that complaints are worth the time and energy they require? If the cost is too high- save longer or choose a different option. If shorts shouldn't be worn in the dining room- don't wear them and don't pay attention to those who do. Really these issues aren't worth being called issues, they seem more like an excuse to complain.

    I can understand both points about smoking on the balconies. I do not smoke nor do I like to be around it but at the same time, I do not try to make it impossible for others or try to make their smoke breaks miserable. If you want to smoke on the balcony that you PAID for, go for it. I might ask, politely of course, is that if I'm out there with a child when you come out, that you could hold off for a little while, at least a few minutes to get inside. Or I simply go inside on my own and come out later. Compromise.

    Vacationing during the school year... yes, it's much cheaper and not as crowded (from what I've been told), but then the kid(s) is out of school and has to learn and make up everything on their own (without the teacher). While I think there are some places that could be made into educational experiences, I don't think Disney Cruises fall into that category. Bottom line, we all need to do what is best for our families, but also think about what kind of example we are setting for our kids. Are we really taking them out of school for a Disney Cruise because it's "educational" or because of the great deal that was running? If this same trip was taken during the summer, the only differences being the dates and price, would it still be considered educational? If so, great, I'm happy that you can turn it into an educational opportunity. My husband and I on the other hand, use the "applicable life lessons" as the educational portion for our child. To take vacations, one must work hard, save, and plan. Patiences is a key and learning how to shop around will be extremely useful, that kind of theme.

    Really all of this is silly, I think. Go on a vacation that you and yours can afford and enjoy. Don't care about what others are doing or wearing, unless it is actually important (could lead to an injury, theft, indecent exposure.... those kinds of issues). Enjoy the special time, make new memories and new friends, think of all the wonderful possibilities. That's what is important about vacations. If your family can only go during the school year, then figure out if it works for you, and enjoy. The negative is pointless and drains everyone. Figure out the compromises you're willing to make and have fun making those precious memories that will live on.

    Ok, I'm done with my book. If anyone is offended by my post, I apologize. These are my opinions and feelings and I understand not everyone will agree. May you all make the most of your vacations and create many happy memories!
     
  4. MinnesotaMouseketeers

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    Because if I am going to travel to the Caribbean I want to do it in the winter. Because when schools out in the winter it is more expensive, especially during spring break, Christmas, Thanksgiving. Because my child could handle being taken out of school for a week in elementary and three days from Jr. high on up; got A's. He's now 21 and getting great grades in college.

    Because our Schools had NO PROBLEM taking them out as long as they had at least two weeks notice and a sheet signed by each of his teachers so they know and can work around it. He had only ONE teacher that wasn't happy about it the rest begged to be taken along.
     
  5. cjbcam

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    I really like your post its basically " to each their own" as long as they aren't hurting anyone else it's really no ones business. I agree.
     
  6. rebbyparker

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    Excellent post. We have taken children and now grandchildren out of school for a week every year for various vacations. It is always coordinated with teachers and between us and the teachers have come up with creative ideas to incorporate learning into the trips. I'm very thankful that we've had such amazing teachers to help us with this. :)
     
  7. tvguy

    tvguy Question anything the facts don't support.

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    Well, we did when we started out and we survived. However, our industry has change a lot. Cut backs and high turnover are the norm. I am the only one who has been there more than a year, and has more than 2 weeks vacation. And we are down to just 6 of us in my department, so a total of 13 weeks of vacation among us, even with no vacations in July, we have plenty of prime weeks to go around, sadly.

    My wife uses her seniority to take Christmas off, only holiday she takes off. And she ends up having to cover by working a 6th day to cover everyone's vacation.......she worked literally twice the overtime as anyone in her department, and I think her boss calculated 90% of it was covering others time off. Doesn't sit well with accounting since her seniority makes her the highest paid person, and normally all the overtime goes to the new guy. (and I do mean guy, since she is the only woman in a department of 30)
     
  8. neg58

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    I was saying that you could make anything educational if you wanted to - vacation to Europe, deer hunting, watching TV. I don't think the schools should get into a position of deciding if Bobby can miss school for a trip to WDW that is 'education' while Susie can't just go to the beach with her family or even just stay home for family time.

    I disagree that it is always the parents' right to decide. You can decide to put your kids in the public school, or a charter school, or a private school, or home school, but once you decide which school, you need to follow those rules. Many states such as Texas and California and Florida, have strict rules about missing school and what counts as an excused absence, even with parents' permission. In Florida, once my kids miss 10 days of school for any reason, excused or unexcused, every absence requires a doctor's note. After 15 absences, you can't get credit for that course. Even if you were sick, even if all absences were legit. You can dis-enroll from the school and then re-enroll, but if you do that you may not be allowed back into the same school, the same courses, the same programs (gift, school of the arts, honors courses, etc.). If you don't properly register for home schooling, you aren't in a school. They work with people who need special accommodations like home tutoring for being sick, but you have to go into that program. You think 'oh, 15 days, we'd never be gone 15 days!' but if someone is gone for a week (5-6), then gets sick and misses 4 days, and there was that long weekend at the beginning of the year - suddenly you are at 10 and having to verify every missed hour. You get to 10 awfully fast, and then 15 is right around the corner.

    I think having 3rd graders hold hands to show how big a whale is is a very cleaver teaching tool. If a 3rd grader sees a whale, he can say "it was very big" but those who held hands can say "it's as big as 15 kids holding hands".

    I'm still mad that tomorrow is a school day and my kids are telling me that so many kids are missing the teachers aren't going to teach anything, hinting that they'd like to stay home too. Nope, it's a school day and they have to go.

    Nancy
     
  9. Postal68

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    I agree, and although we are strongly warned by our child's principle, I say the hell with you and we take them out to go on vacations.

    I'M PAYING YOU TO EDUCATE MY CHILD, AND WITH THAT I WILL DECIDE HOW MY CHILD IS EDUCATED. Spending time as a family and the places and experiences are every bit as much valuable to a child's education and maturity as sitting in a 20 X 30 room for 6 1/2 hours a day. They take whatever work they can with them, and they make up whatever they can't take when they get back. It's one week, they're not in med school learning how to do open heart surgery. It's nothing they can't catch up with when they get back. If my kids can't catch up due to missing one week of school, I think I have larger educational issues to deal with.
     
  10. Silver Cinderella

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    As a former teacher, I couldn't agree wiyh you more. Who is going to present the educational concepts missed because of family vacations? Will the parents teach long division, chemical concepts, or the critical thinking, reading, and written expression in one of Shakespeare's plays? I sincerely doubt it.
     
  11. CruiseCrazy44

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    I love your response. Professional educators more than anyone else should know the amount of wasted time in every school day. We also home school for a variety of reasons and one of the benefits of homeschooling is that you can take vacations whenever you like.
    One other point. I hear some posters saying you should just save "a little" longer so that you can go during peek season. Well, as someone who only goes every three years and still barely can afford to go off season. That isn't always an option. We would have to go once every six years to make that happen. So my kids would get to go on vacation twice between birth and eighteen?
     
  12. slzer0

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    I don't think that missing one week is an educational sacrifice.
     
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    Word.
     
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    I am fairly certain that an excused absence is one for which the school is given prior notice, or for which contact has been made by a parent or guardian (calling in sick).
    As long as your child is not falling behind, these are not an issue.

    Unexcused absences are cases in which a student does not show up, with no reason or parental contact. These are an issue, counted per year.

    Truancy is an instance where a child is found skipping school, generally by a Truancy Officer.

    Taking your child on vacation is not a crime. It is ridiculous to suggest as much.

    But most importantly, the school does not supercede the parent. Parents make personally decisions for their families - decisions that MAY be explained to the school as a courtesy.
    YOU are in charge of how you raise your child, not your local school.

    It's no wonder that homeschooling is on such an upswing, with the way schools behave as if they know what is better for your child than you do.
     
  15. slzer0

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    This is not a statewide policy. I too lice in FL and am parent to a HS Sr. In 12 years of both public and charter schooling, this has never been the case.
    My DS and BIL havs taught in FL for over a decade and can concur.

    Im sorry that you have been misinformed by your school or your district.
     
  16. slzer0

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    Id be very concerned if only one week is given to these conceps, and missing that week means that concept is never offered again.
    There are multiple avenues by which to learn said concepts during, before, or after an absence.
    To suggest otherwise is a little excessive IMO.

    Who will present them?
    The textbook, the internet, online curriculum, prepared work from the teacher, or the parent.
     
  17. dabecs

    dabecs Returning to WDW 2014!

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    I live in Australia and this thread has been a revelation! Here workers get 4 weeks annual leave every year and taking kids out of school for holidays (while in younger years) is not frowned upon at all.
     
  18. natmom

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    Really?? What about all the times I hear things like 'we watched 'over the hedge' today to teach us about habitat (in grade 5!!)' or ' Bobby was nice to Susie to we had a dance party for the second half of the day'. I cringe everytime I hear my kids say these things. Zero work the first week of school,zero the week before and type of holiday etc. The amount of time wasted sounds ridiculous, so I'm not going to feel bad if I take a vacation during the school year. BTW, when DH and do are having to spend 1 1/2- 2 hrs helping our kids with long division, clearly it isn't being taught well enough during the school day. If there is time for movies and dance parties, the teachers better be certain that every child has a full understanding of long division and chemical concepts.
     
  19. Dug720

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    Not defending the majority of that, but...

    The first week (or two or in special ed even 3-4 depending on the size of the class) is all about assessing the children so that we know how to break them into groups, what level they are coming in, what scatter skills we need to work on to fill in weak areas, how your children learn best. Contrary to popular belief, you can't just pop open a curriculum, teach from a script, and expect children to learn. There has to be assessment, even in general education.
     
  20. natmom

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    Yes, I agree with the first week of school,and that isn't really what bothers me. The teacher's quote I replied to was implying that parents don't get involved in their child's learning. We are constantly helping our children with homework and my kids are fairly bright, I feel really bad for the kids who are really struggling. It is different for every teacher, but we seem to have a pattern where there is a lot of down time and if they have that much down time, the children should have a complete understanding of everything being taught.

    Also, in our school district, this year every pd day falls on the Friday of a long weekend (thanksgiving (canadian), Christmas break, march break). I find it hard to believe the teachers will put in a full day of 'professional development' at the school all day. I know the teachers can't help when the pd days fall, but parents are just shaking their heads.
     
  21. Princess Denise

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    Teachers should be respectful to your decision in taking your child out for a family trip. They should also keep you up dated on homework and give you assignments to work on while your child will be gone. My parents always took me out during the school year when places are less busy (I don't do well in crowds). My teacher would not only give us what the missed homework would be, but would also ask us to write a report on what we learned during our trip. Most teachers are always behind in their teaching schedules as well. Almost every time I came back from vacation, I would be ahead of the class.
     

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