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Old 07-28-2004, 12:13 PM   #121
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I suspect Disney resorts can't be filled because they overbuilt for the current economy - and because they aren't giving resort guests enough perks to draw them away from cheaper off site accomodations.

Resort guests shouldn't get pool hopping - because of capacity problems, but resort and DVC guests should get (in addition to EE, which is a very nice perk):

A longer priority seating window than non-resort guests.

Cheaper hoppers - they are already paying for transportation in their hotel bill or DVC dues.

Better character access - the character caravan was a poor substitute for EE - but characters in the resorts on a regular basis is a great idea.

None of these is really expensive (rather than discount the hoppers for resort guests, you could just not include resort guests in the next increase) - all add real value to guests staying on site.

They can also throw in the things that are "nearly free" A free round of minigolf with a seven night stay at any resort. Moderate guests can add one free 5x7 photo per room. Deluxe guests get the minigolf, the photo and a half hour mouseboat rental per room.
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Old 07-28-2004, 12:46 PM   #122
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The main bus abuse started when the stopped checking ID. Every local & off-site guest uses the DTD bus stops as their own personal TTC. They park for free, ride for free.
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Old 07-28-2004, 12:56 PM   #123
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You'll find that--in a general way-Disney will do nothing to curb the behavior of a guest who seems to be having a good time.

Even when it's at your (or my) expense.
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Old 07-28-2004, 01:00 PM   #124
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You'll find that--in a general way-Disney will do nothing to curb the behavior of a guest who seems to be having a good time.

Even when it's at your (or my) expense.
I do believe you are right. I am very sympathetic to the problem of people being very loud late at night, be it in the pools, in the hallways, outside etc. I think there should be a little tolerance for exuberant families during the posted "open" hours. Not all kids/families enjoy SAB or the big clown pool.
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Old 07-28-2004, 01:01 PM   #125
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Not that I don't think Disney should curb loud late night behavior, but its nice to hear that "Quiet" pools are being renamed. I think it set the expectation for quiet, adult experiences (like the adult pool on DCL), and I always thought they were more "overflow" pools or "neighborhood" pools. Smaller, less themed, but maybe closer to your room and less crowded.
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Old 07-28-2004, 01:03 PM   #126
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My, what a horrible double negative sentance construction I have going on there....for clarification

I believe Disney should keep all pools quiet after a certain time of night.
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Old 07-28-2004, 01:40 PM   #127
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I still like the term 'quiet pool'.

My wife & I like to relax quietly by the pool when staying at Boardwalk and love the small pool on the hotel side. We just like to sit & relax away from the noise of Luna Park, maybe reading a paperback.

Every once in a while the pool gets taken over by a family with noisy children, which drives us back to our room.

In my opinion, Luna Park is for screaming kids. There needs to be at least one pool where silence can be guaranteed.

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You are totally right, Disney should enforce the odd pool here and there to adults only.
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Old 07-28-2004, 01:42 PM   #128
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You are totally right, Disney should enforce the odd pool here and there to adults only.
Couldn't disagree with you more.
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Old 07-28-2004, 02:04 PM   #129
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I'm a big fan of child free spaces at Disney - Pleasure Island and V&As are two I'd lobby hard for. But not the quiet pools at the resorts. There simply isn't enough water for the guests during busy season to limit usuage to a set of guests who will underuse the pool. And that isn't the way most of the quiet pools were constructed. At the moderate resorts and OKW they are really "neighborhood" pools. At the Deluxe resorts they are both overflow and neighborhood pools (the "quiet" pool on the Inn side of the BW is much more convienent than Luna Park.) Even when Disney billed them as "quiet" they weren't billing them as "adults only."

Now, I think it would be great if there were an adult only pool "somewhere" on site that would be open for all resort guests to hop to. The type of pool you could do laps in. The defunct Disney Institute would have been an ideal location.
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Old 07-28-2004, 02:08 PM   #130
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I certainly don't want to engage anyone in a debate but (and you knew there had to be a but) I really don't think Disney should designate adults only areas at the resorts. That's not what the company does. It is supposed to be a family friendly, family oriented vacation experience. There are a kazillion "adults only" vacation experiences out there for people to enjoy and I certainly have no problem with them. I think if you want to avoid kids going to WDW probably isn't the thing to do.
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Old 07-28-2004, 03:09 PM   #131
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Not only do they go on all night but you will also be told that they are not "QUIET" pools which is what they are labled on all the maps. I can't tell you how many times I went to relax and unwind a little when all HEL_ brakes loose ! I am not an oger but just wish there was a true "QUIET" place other than my room.
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Old 07-28-2004, 03:14 PM   #132
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Sorry but I forgot to say that I agree with Nelly Kelly. I am all for kids being at the "quiet" pool but I guess my real problem is the level of activity that should be more appropriate at "LUNA". My nephew comes with us on vacation and is autistic which is why we love the "QUIET" pools as relax there as oppossed to the Luna. He can't process all the noise of the "Luna" and it terrifies him.
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Old 07-28-2004, 04:07 PM   #133
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You know now that I think about it a little more kids at a quiet pool really does not bother me as long as they are quiet, I just wish that Disney could enforce the rule that all quiet pools should stay quiet. All of you must admit with me here that it is kinda of annoying when you are sitting in a quiet pool hot tub and a bunch of kids cannonball in while you are just trying to relax.
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Old 07-28-2004, 04:07 PM   #134
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I respect your decision to stay at All Stars. Why not? You enjoy that theme and don't want to spend the extra on the room. That's your right. I have a friend that loves the Boardwalk. I like the woodsy atmosphere. Fine. I just don't expect to get GF benefits at VWL. As for small stuff. I stayed for 8 days at AKL with my daughter and granddaughter. I repeat, not once were we able to sit by the pool. So everyday, as my 7 year old granddaughter swam we had to be standing there watching when we weren't in the water! Now if they were remiss in planning and didn't have enough seats I would blame the lodge. However I clearly watched people get off the Animal Kingdom bus with their towels and use the pool. That is just wrong and not small stuff. That resort is very expensive, cash OR points, and guests do come first. Besides being very inconvenient it is also a security risk to allow people to park at Animal Kingdom , hop a free Disney bus, and go onto resort property to use the facilities..
I just hope it was brought to the CM's attention. It isn't going to stop if people turn their head and not want to get involved.
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Old 07-28-2004, 04:25 PM   #135
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I just wish that Disney could enforce the rule that all quiet pools should stay quiet.
I disagree with you regarding the quiet pools. There is no rule that says guests at the "quiet" pool have to be quiet. So there is nothing in that regard for Disney to enforce. Unruly behavior is always unacceptable and should be dealt with. Expecting quiet at a pool in WDW is unrealistic.

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