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Old 04-27-2001, 04:41 PM   #1
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Posted by Moriarty:

The link below is an article I found about why Eisner is able to keep his job after many of his apparent poor management decisions. The amount of money he makes is sickening while the quality of the Disney image is diminished.

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Old 04-27-2001, 04:42 PM   #2
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Posted by DVC-Landbaron:

I was going to post this today. My problem was trying to turn it into a rumor. That board sees a lot of activity. This one, sadly, does not. And people need to see this!!

Ei$ner's really worth it, isn't he?

Thanks for the post and link!

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Old 04-27-2001, 04:43 PM   #3
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Posted by DisDuck:

I have one problem with the article. What did Eisner do/didn't do for net income to drop? He may be over paid but lets have some facts (DVC will supply them even though the reporter cannot).

I have come to the point of being on the fence with Eisner but still insist on proven facts before condemning. Sort of like 'innocent until proven guilty'.

This article is just about his income, net worth and hand-picked board. It makes no relationship to job performance other than decline.

It begs the question, if net income had increased rather than decreased would Eisner still be worth the money?

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Old 04-27-2001, 04:44 PM   #4
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Posted by DVC-Landbaron:

First let me say - LOL - for the following:
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(DVC will supply them even though the reporter cannot)

OK. Time to get to it!!
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What did Eisner do/didn't do for net income to drop?
We've spent months together, my favorite Duck! Pull out any of my past posts and you will find an example of Ei$ner's ineptness. You see, that's what has been so hard in the first place with my little crusade. Disney is very good on marketing and extremely good at spin. They put a high priced restaurant in DCA and call it an attraction! They shut down 20,000 Leagues, put in a spinning Aladdin and call it square. They drop an entire land from AK, put in cheap carnival games and people pour out of the woodwork defending them! Now these type of examples are MINISCULE and trivial in the big picture of the mega-giant corporation that Disney has become, but it is very telling and extremely indicative of their corporate and managerial philosophy.

So if you want specific examples, pick one. Their management has spun it in every direction. And to be fair, his detractors (your friendly LandBaron included (lol)) have spun it the other way. So pick one for yourself. Let's start with ABC. Is it good or bad? Should we have or shouldn't we have? I don't know, your guess is as good as mine. The Captain as well as others, say it great!! Makes them a "SUPERSTAR"!! I think you know where I stand on it. Without Millionaire the network is fair at best. Not my idea of a stellar investment considering the cost and the debt it incurred.

What about some of the others? How about GO.COM!! Now that one I think we can agree on. It was mismanaged and mis-marketed. And that is being kind!! Or what about the way he handled Katzenburg or Ovitz (sp)? Should we really be buying paint companies and magazines? Again, I don't know. What about the choices and marketing of their recent motion pictures? How about the ridiculous, rather low quality animated features we've been seeing lately. Not a Lion King (or anything close to it) in the bunch!! What about all those sequels! How about the changes (both of them) of the Disney Stores. What about the Sports complex thing (or whatever it is)? Do we need a hockey team? Pixor deal? Hmmm. Well, I'll give him one good move. (You know Voice should really be talking about this. I'm really in alien territory.)

And that brings me to the parks. (ahhh, home again! I can be conversant with this subject!) Do you like the way he builds half parks? Do you like what he did to Disneyland's parking lot (read: DCA)? Do you like him cutting hours? Do you like the lay offs? Do you like all the renovation work in World Showcase? (sarcasm intended!) DO you like 20K, Timekeeper, Keelboats, etc. closing, with no replacements in sight? Do you like tearing out the Horizons Pavilion and replacing it with half a ride? How about The Institute (that was a real money maker!)? What is Magic on Demand and how come we don't have more Monorails!!?? Or peoplemovers!!?? Do you really think Test Track is better that Motion (or should it have been in addition to it)? Etc. Etc. Etc.

All those above things could be answered either way, but that's not really the point. Because for all the examples I could give (and we've argued them time and again) it all comes down to your next point.
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It makes no relationship to job performance other than decline.
You don't need any other relation. The question is, 'Is he doing his job?' If you have an employee that is under producing you really don't need to ask if he was late every day. Or if he took three hour (or three martini) lunches. If his he was getting along with his wife or if he was just plain lazy. He under produced!! CONSISTENTLY!! Ei$ner's ultimate job, of course, is to prevent a decline, in the very least, and insure a rise if at all possible. He has not done that!! It has STEADILY declined! He has under produced! Ergo, HE MUST GO!!!!
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It begs the question, if net income had increased rather than decreased would Eisner still be worth the money?
At the risk of having this come back and bite me in the you-know-what, YES! I still would not like the way he was running the parks, but I would be hard pressed to call for his ouster. But like I'm always saying, I don't think his dismal performance and his inability to 'get' the Walt thing are mutually exclusive. I think that if he would have paid a bit more attention to the magic end of the business (parks, movies, TV) which is the basic product of Disney, the profit end would have taken care of itself. It's certainly worth a try. Cause his way ain't working!!

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Old 04-28-2001, 03:29 PM   #5
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You didn't like the rest of the thread or was this all you could save? I'll repost it if you think it's worth it or let it die. :D

Just wondering?

Man I like this one ->

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Old 05-03-2001, 01:36 PM   #6
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Sorry, DVC - that was all that was there when I was still able to pull stuff off the old boards... Please continue (I'll just go off somewhere & flog myself with a wet noodle or something)

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Old 05-03-2001, 02:03 PM   #7
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Wink Flogging unnecessary!!

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LOL!! Please don't. I think you do a marvelous job. I just wanted some of the people to see the history of Ron Miller. But I don't think I'll post it here. Not enough people visit. I'll wait and find a more appropriate spot with a little higher visibility.

BTW, just a suggestion, what do you think of combining the rumors and DIZ BIZ boards? You know, a RUMORS AND NEWS type thing. After all, many business moves start life as rumors and create more rumors just by being out there. Some actually become true. I know there have been times I been a little confused on where to post (not even considering that this board does not enjoy heavy traffic). I even sometimes find myself skipping this board because it is so slow moving.

Just some food for thought. Let me know what you think. inkbounc:
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Old 05-03-2001, 06:45 PM   #8
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I've thought of asking the powers that be if they'd consider combining the Biz & Rumors board, but lately I've been so focused on finding a job that I haven't really been able to do much of anything else. I'll try to remember to ask 'them' what they think.

Thanks for the kick in the brainbox.

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Old 05-07-2001, 10:17 PM   #9
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The Irony Being (this is before Landbarons time on the boards) that I believe Diz Biz was spun off from Rumours and community as a place for Disney investors. Any other use seems More like rumours and the only time you see investment stuff is at the end of the quarter.
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Old 05-08-2001, 08:55 AM   #10
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I think I would second the motion.

Most of what gets posted here becomes a starting point to discuss what implications it has on future company direction. Same thing happens on the rumor board where ideas/events often morph into a strategy or philosophy debate. Might as well have them in the same place.
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yikes - wrong board - sorry!!
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