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Old 02-27-2014, 02:53 PM   #91
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I agree. Disney could easily ban smoking tomorrow and attendance wouldn't be affected. I never see that many smokers nowadays anyway. I'm all for banning it. If you really need a smoke that bad, step outside the park. Do what you would normally do in other places that ban smoking too.
Easier said than done though...smokers wanting to light up at a restaurant only need to walk maybe 20 feet to the door. If someone is at The back of MK, they have at least a half mile walk ahead of them...their lung capacity isn't that good to begin with...
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I agree. Disney could easily ban smoking tomorrow and attendance wouldn't be affected. I never see that many smokers nowadays anyway. I'm all for banning it. If you really need a smoke that bad, step outside the park. Do what you would normally do in other places that ban smoking too.
The analogy between restaurants and Disney parks is not valid. People go to a restaurant for an hour or two. The restaurant's front door is never far away. People go to Disney parks for all day.

Many smokers want to smoke several times a day. Or, more accurately, they need to smoke several times a day because smoking is a physical addiction.

According to the CDC:
An estimated 42.1 million people, or 18.1% of all adults (aged 18 years or older), in the United States smoke cigarettes.1 Cigarette smoking is more common among men (20.5%) than women (15.8%).
How much busier do you want the park gates and security checkpoints to be?

Would you really like a cloud of cigarette smoke near the park entrances?

How many smokers would decide it's not worth the bother and would never return to Walt Disney World?

Disney is not going to ban smoking inside parks because it would alienate paying customers, would be costly to increase staffing at the entrances, and would only move the "problem" from one place to another.

Smoking already is banned in Disney restaurants, bars, theaters, and so on -- just as elsewhere (in most of the United States). Disney provides only a few places where smokers can smoke inside each park.

We can discuss if it makes sense for Disney to do a better job with smoking spots, but banning smoking entirely in the parks is not going to happen.
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Old 02-27-2014, 03:58 PM   #93
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People that smoke pay just as much to get into the parks and should have a right to smoke. Most of the smoking sections (they are disappearing all of the time) are out of the way. Disney will lose a lot of business if they stop it all together. You can eat your Dole Whip anywhere in the park. Smokers used to smoke anywhere in the park. They put all of the smokers in a few sections in the park and low and behold that is now not good enough? Now you want to stop them all together? What if someone wants a cigarette after their Dole Whip? Can't do it because they have to make non-smokers happy? What about making smokers happy? I thought smoking sections were put into place to try to make EVERYONE happy.

Someone further down in the thread suggested using e-cigarettes but, did you know that they are not allowed in the park except in the smoking areas? Have not figured out why yet though. They won't burn anyone or give out second hand smoke so what is the problem with them?
Wrong. Smoking is not a "right." Especially when you're on someone else's property, even if you're a paying customer. Disney could ban smoking in the parks and they wouldn't be violating anyone's rights.

For those who say smokers couldn't or wouldn't still visit the parks, that's not necessarily true. I work at a hospital that has banned smoking completely (as have many across the nation). A lot of us work 12-hour shifts and I have coworkers who are smokers. Some wear nicotine patches or chew nicotine gum, others go out to their cars and smoke on their lunch breaks.

I don't think Disney would get bad publicity from banning smoking altogether, I think they would get GOOD publicity, and I do think it will happen eventually. I say in the next 5-10 years. I don't think it will affect their attendance significantly, either. This is becoming the norm everywhere.

It's not that I don't have sympathy for smokers or that I think smokers are gross and bad. But I don't think the burden is on society in general to accept smoking and make it easy for smokers. Smoking kills people, and it's not a pretty death either. I have many family members who are smokers and former smokers. I watched both of my grandmothers die uncomfortable deaths from COPD. If they had not been smokers, there is a very good chance they would still be here today. That is a fact. As a health care worker, I witness the effects that smoking has on people's health and lives every day. I see the panicked look in patient's eyes as they come in gasping for air and then end up on BiPAPs or ventilators. I'm not trying to lecture, I'm just saying that I don't think anything that makes it more difficult or uncomfortable for people to remain smokers is necessarily a bad thing. And who knows, maybe WDW banning smoking could even be the push that some people need to decide that they will stop smoking for good so that they can enjoy vacations with their loved ones.
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Wrong. Smoking is not a "right." Especially when you're on someone else's property, even if you're a paying customer. Disney could ban smoking in the parks and they wouldn't be violating anyone's rights.

For those who say smokers couldn't or wouldn't still visit the parks, that's not necessarily true. I work at a hospital that has banned smoking completely (as have many across the nation). A lot of us work 12-hour shifts and I have coworkers who are smokers. Some wear nicotine patches or chew nicotine gum, others go out to their cars and smoke on their lunch breaks.

I don't think Disney would get bad publicity from banning smoking altogether, I think they would get GOOD publicity, and I do think it will happen eventually. I say in the next 5-10 years. I don't think it will affect their attendance significantly, either. This is becoming the norm everywhere.

Best post of the day!

It's not that I don't have sympathy for smokers or that I think smokers are gross and bad. But I don't think the burden is on society in general to accept smoking and make it easy for smokers. Smoking kills people, and it's not a pretty death either. I have many family members who are smokers and former smokers. I watched both of my grandmothers die uncomfortable deaths from COPD. If they had not been smokers, there is a very good chance they would still be here today. That is a fact. As a health care worker, I witness the effects that smoking has on people's health and lives every day. I see the panicked look in patient's eyes as they come in gasping for air and then end up on BiPAPs or ventilators. I'm not trying to lecture, I'm just saying that I don't think anything that makes it more difficult or uncomfortable for people to remain smokers is necessarily a bad thing. And who knows, maybe WDW banning smoking could even be the push that some people need to decide that they will stop smoking for good so that they can enjoy vacations with their loved ones.
This is hands down the best post today.
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Old 02-27-2014, 04:13 PM   #95
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I am a former smoker. When I did smoke, I simply did not take my cigarettes into the park. If you have a beef with those who are simply abiding by the rules of the park and those who are using the designated smoking locations so that they don't pollute the rest of the Disney air don't go around the area.
First off, I'm glad you quit smoking. Since I'm not familiar with the smoking sections at WDW, I can't speak to that topic specifically --only to smoking sections in general. But I remember in the 90's when places around here were starting to be required by law to have non-smoking sections, such as in restaurants. They would always have the designated smoking sections along the path to the restrooms. Some places were even so obnoxious as to have the designated smoking section at the front door. Non-smokers had to go to the back. So it's not always as simple as avoiding the offending area. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. And even when one can avoid the area, the smoke can travel well outside the area, and no one knows where the smoke cloud begins.

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I kinda have to laugh at the comments. some people truly have no idea about addiction. It is funny to read their comments like they are the holier than thou and they have never done anything wrong.
I suppose there will always be some who have no idea about addiction. I saw it with my dad though. My father was pretty much a chain smoker. Rarely would he go more than 20 minutes between cigarettes. He tried to stop smoking a few times, or at least cut back, and failed every time. Ultimately cigarettes contributed to the decline of his health. As many years as he smoked (for well over 50), I'm amazed that he didn't have more issues sooner than he did.

The last 5 years of his life were smoke-free. He had a stroke and was FORCED to give up smoking while he remained in the hospital for a month. He was given the patch instead. It was a very rough transition, but a successful one. At least today, we have nicotine patches to get over this particular addiction. And at this point, I want to say that if someone really wanted to get free from smoking, that's it's as easy as getting the patch. But I know it's not that simple. I know that with my dad, the only reason the patch worked is that he had no other alternatives. If he had any control over the situation, he would have lit one up during that time for sure.

As for me, I've developed asthma from my day's habit. My asthma is nowhere as bad as it used to be, but anytime I unexpectedly walk into a nicotine cloud, my lungs stop taking in air. And that's not by my personal choice. Whenever I know ahead of time that I have to walk through a nicotine smoke cloud (ie. when it's unavoidable), I have to take a deep breath, hold it, walk through the offending area, then gasp for breath on the other side. I don't always make it through on one breath though, and inhale a large volume of smoke and end up having a very uncomfortable shortness of breath for a few hours with a borderline asthma attack from the residual smoke.

So for me, when it comes to others smoking, it's not simply a matter of a foul odor in a small area, it's a matter of being able to breathe. Smokers can talk about their rights and all, but when they claim that their right to smoke supersedes my right to breathe, I'd say that they are being holier-than-thou.

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With the comments about all of the cancer causing elements...why not ban the sun because it causes skin cancer?? LOL I am sure someone will respond to this but hey, this is my entertainment purposes so flame away!!
The sun is necessary for life on earth. What value do cigarettes have? Oh right, they make a select few rich and bring in some "sin tax" revenue.
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how does that great place with cheap ticket prices, small "fast pass" lines, cheaper food....... universal handle the smoking issue?
just asking. haven't been in a while.do they have areas or is it all no smoking?
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I would like the Disney Cast members to ask those smoking outside of the designated smoking areas to conform to the smoking guidelines. I have noticed that the cast members just walk past the smokers without acknowledging anything wrong. Just try to stand outside the ropes when the parade is coming. See how long it takes for a cast member to say something.
just need to point them out to security and they will take care of it.

standing outside of ropes when the parade is coming..... that would be the crowd control cms (white shirt, black pants and a black vest)..... they do a great job. you wouldn't want to get hit by a 3000 pound float.
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Old 02-27-2014, 07:12 PM   #98
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how does that great place with cheap ticket prices, small "fast pass" lines, cheaper food....... universal handle the smoking issue?
just asking. haven't been in a while.do they have areas or is it all no smoking?
They have designated smoking areas too and sometimes people ignore them just like at WDW. I am apparently oblivious there too because I rarely see anyone smoking at either place.

People say that Americans smoke less and less. It appears that less and less of us are going to Disney parks compared to certain other nationalities too. Does anyone know if smoking is dropping as much in Europe or South America and so on? I imagine that Disney will care about that.
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I saw someone mention banning the sun. It would be awesome if Disney installed "auto sun screen" like a mini car wash for everyone entering the parks. I have seen some seriously horrible looking burns at WDW, but wearing sun screen is my personal banner I carry around. That, and I don't let anyone in my room leave for the day until we've all consumed at 1 bottle of water. Sip, chug, IDC, but I constantly remind everyone that "dehydration kills." Its become quite the running joke - my girlfriends have started saying it on our beach trips too. But it is true guys, start your day hydrated!
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I saw someone mention banning the sun. It would be awesome if Disney installed "auto sun screen" like a mini car wash for everyone entering the parks. I have seen some seriously horrible looking burns at WDW, but wearing sun screen is my personal banner I carry around. That, and I don't let anyone in my room leave for the day until we've all consumed at 1 bottle of water. Sip, chug, IDC, but I constantly remind everyone that "dehydration kills." Its become quite the running joke - my girlfriends have started saying it on our beach trips too. But it is true guys, start your day hydrated!
make me drink all that water you will spend your vacation in front of a mens room.
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They have designated smoking areas too and sometimes people ignore them just like at WDW. I am apparently oblivious there too because I rarely see anyone smoking at either place.

People say that Americans smoke less and less. It appears that less and less of us are going to Disney parks compared to certain other nationalities too. Does anyone know if smoking is dropping as much in Europe or South America and so on? I imagine that Disney will care about that.
I don't really see as many walking around anymore trying to "cup it".when they first started the smoking areas I noticed a lot more walking around smoking. I did notice someone in September in fantasy land smoking. im an ex smoker, I can smell it a mile away.

i have said it before, front line cms are a special group of people and i have a new respect for each and every one of them. they walk a fine line every day and have to pick there battles wisely. i had no idea the way some people act.
i could tell you stories you wouldn't believe me if i told you. my earlier post is just the tip of the ice berg. to confront someone now days, even in the happiest place on earth, you take your life in your hands. just watch the news if you don't believe me. its not an easy job. they don't do it for the money that's for sure. most of them do it to make people smile and laugh and for the love of Disney. my dd wore that name tag with honor and would do it again if she had the chance.
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They have designated smoking areas too and sometimes people ignore them just like at WDW. I am apparently oblivious there too because I rarely see anyone smoking at either place.

People say that Americans smoke less and less. It appears that less and less of us are going to Disney parks compared to certain other nationalities too. Does anyone know if smoking is dropping as much in Europe or South America and so on? I imagine that Disney will care about that.
funny, last year i bought a new Mercedes and it had a lighter and ash tray in it? i was told a lot of people in Germany still smoke but the germans cant figure out why we need cup holders. they don't put cup holders in there cars. so i guess we drink,text and talk on the phone while driving and they smoke while driving. i guess we are all gonna die!!!! lol
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Is there really a big problem with people smoking out of the designated areas? I didn't realize so many people were doing it. I cant believe I didn't notice. I know I might get some fire for this but if you are comfortable to break the rules like that you need to be asked to leave the park. Or if they do not want to get people to upset give a warning then escort them out if they do it again. Overall people should just stay in the area made for smoking.
if they had to escort everyone out of the park who break the rules.......... well, that would take care of the fp issues, wouldn't need them.

you would have a field day at mickeys phil........ "move all the way to the end of the row" ok, you, you and you come with me!!!! it would be nice!!!
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make me drink all that water you will spend your vacation in front of a mens room.
But the Emts won't have to take you out of the park, and also, we enjoy a few cocktails, so hydrating on the front end is important
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But the Emts won't have to take you out of the park, and also, we enjoy a few cocktails, so hydrating on the front end is important
there you go....... get rid of the booze and you wont have to drink so much water.

i don't drink water, soda (high test) and iced tea. almost 50 years haven't fallen over...... yet. im surprised i never have but i must have a lot of reserve or something. it does take a lot to get me to sweat.
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