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Old 03-03-2014, 08:45 AM   #136
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That's interesting-- I always thought they pointed with two fingers so no one could confuse it for the one finger salute...
well, ill let my dd explain that one to you if you ever meet her.

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I always figured they pointed with more than one finger because in certain cultures its considered rude to point with one finger.
your correct. the two finger point. I never came across the holding a cigarette one till dd ask me after she went thru traditions if I ever heard that one. they can also point with an open hand. she said she tried the open hand one time and she was explaining to some one how to get to where they wanted to go with an open hand and a little kid walking past her thought she was giving him a high five. (she is only 5'1" it was easy to reach I guess.) the people she was talking to and her started to laugh.
its funny, anytime she points now, she does it with two fingers.

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Old 03-03-2014, 11:37 AM   #137
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People that smoke pay just as much to get into the parks and should have a right to smoke. Most of the smoking sections (they are disappearing all of the time) are out of the way. Disney will lose a lot of business if they stop it all together. You can eat your Dole Whip anywhere in the park. Smokers used to smoke anywhere in the park. They put all of the smokers in a few sections in the park and low and behold that is now not good enough? Now you want to stop them all together? What if someone wants a cigarette after their Dole Whip? Can't do it because they have to make non-smokers happy? What about making smokers happy? I thought smoking sections were put into place to try to make EVERYONE happy.

Someone further down in the thread suggested using e-cigarettes but, did you know that they are not allowed in the park except in the smoking areas? Have not figured out why yet though. They won't burn anyone or give out second hand smoke so what is the problem with them?
Very wells said. I think maybe they should a ban on Dole Whips. There are a lot of people "slowly killing themselves" as they throw those down their into their bellies. I am a smoker and can bet that I am in better physical shape than most of the people who are sucking down all the sweets teats in WDW. They should ban sweets all together as the sugar high that kids get causes a crash that leads to a melt down . When I am sitting , relaxing and enjoying my vacation hearing the screaming of a child in mid sugar crash fit is highly disturbing.Not to mention that more people are dying due to obesesity than smoking.I should not have to be subjected to watching people who need to STOP eating stuff themselves , hop onto an ECV because they can not walk do to their eating and to add injury to insult I have to dodge around said ECV so as not to get run over.
The smoking sections are out of the way and to get over come by smoke you have to walk right through the area. The one right in International Gateway especially, it is way off to the side and you would have to make an effort to walk over. Stop complaining about what bad habits other have , because i am sure you do something that someone else finds offensive. Enjoy your time and all will be well.
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Old 03-03-2014, 01:45 PM   #138
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Very wells said. I think maybe they should a ban on Dole Whips. There are a lot of people "slowly killing themselves" as they throw those down their into their bellies. I am a smoker and can bet that I am in better physical shape than most of the people who are sucking down all the sweets teats in WDW. They should ban sweets all together as the sugar high that kids get causes a crash that leads to a melt down . When I am sitting , relaxing and enjoying my vacation hearing the screaming of a child in mid sugar crash fit is highly disturbing.Not to mention that more people are dying due to obesesity than smoking.I should not have to be subjected to watching people who need to STOP eating stuff themselves , hop onto an ECV because they can not walk do to their eating and to add injury to insult I have to dodge around said ECV so as not to get run over.
The smoking sections are out of the way and to get over come by smoke you have to walk right through the area. The one right in International Gateway especially, it is way off to the side and you would have to make an effort to walk over. Stop complaining about what bad habits other have , because i am sure you do something that someone else finds offensive. Enjoy your time and all will be well.
nope...... dole whips stay!!!!! yes!!!!! (those ice cream bar will kill ya!

oh wait, it don't say anything about sugar??????? noooooooooooooo!!!!!! help me dole whip fans!!!!!




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crap..... there all sugar. : your killin me jl!!

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Old 03-03-2014, 02:20 PM   #140
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Can we agree that it's in Disney's business interest to sell admission passes to smokers and nonsmokers, and to keep everyone reasonably happy regarding smoking?

Can we agree that having a few well-placed smoking areas in each park is beneficial to nonsmokers and to smokers?

Can we agree that current smoking areas at Disney parks are neither terrible nor perfect?

Can we agree that things are much better for nonsmokers now than they were 10 or 20 years ago?

Can we agree that the health risks that smokers face from smoking are not pertinent to this discussion?

Can we agree that high-sugar foods and high-saturated-fat foods are not pertinent to this discussion, any more than high-antioxidant foods and high-fiber foods are pertinent to it?

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If anything, Disney should stop doing firework shows. All of that smoke can't be good for the atmosphere. And I know when the wind suddenly changes direction and I get a face full of smoke I also have an asthma attack. There should be no smoke allowed in any of the parks, fireworks included.




I'm kidding of course. I take responsibility for myself. I check the direction of the wind, and make sure I'm not on the wrong side, the side where the smoke will all end up in my face and lungs. And if the wind changes direction, I move. See how easy it is to take responsibility for myself, and what I am breathing in? And Disney so far has not been able to put on a map the way the wind is blowing the firework smoke, but they sure do put the smoking sections on the park maps. Don't want to be near one? Walk around it. Easy.
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If anything, Disney should stop doing firework shows. All of that smoke can't be good for the atmosphere. And I know when the wind suddenly changes direction and I get a face full of smoke I also have an asthma attack. There should be no smoke allowed in any of the parks, fireworks included. I'm kidding of course. I take responsibility for myself. I check the direction of the wind, and make sure I'm not on the wrong side, the side where the smoke will all end up in my face and lungs. And if the wind changes direction, I move. See how easy it is to take responsibility for myself, and what I am breathing in? And Disney so far has not been able to put on a map the way the wind is blowing the firework smoke, but they sure do put the smoking sections on the park maps. Don't want to be near one? Walk around it. Easy.
Very good points, but some here are just not reasonable.
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No, I don't think they should.

I don't like being around cigarettes. I started when I was 16, quit by the time I was 18. I think they smell worse than before I started smoking.

Secondhand smoke is not okay to force people into experiencing. However, you are outside and there are an incredibly limited amount of smoking areas so that you can easily get away from it. There are a few smoking spots, and I feel they are limited enough. It's a nonsmokers world, and as filthy of a habit as it is, regardless of how you feel about it, it's not your business to tell someone else how to live their life. Alcohol is slowly poisoning your liver. Talking loudly on a cellphone is rude behavior around others. There are lots of things you can do that are bad for your health, and that others around you may not agree with or appreciate...that doesn't mean you ban it for everyone just because you feel strongly about it. We're not going to live in a very fun place if every time someone disagrees with something, they ban everyone else from doing it. If you don't like smoking, don't do it, and avoid the smoking areas.

We all have to show some tolerance for other peoples' lifestyles in places like Disney.
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Old 03-03-2014, 11:06 PM   #144
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The easy solution: Enclose the smoking areas and have them sealed with a recirculated air system. Entering through a "clean room" double door type of set up. Now they inhale their smoke and I can inhale my clean air
So, make indoor smoking areas when/where smoking indoors is illegal?

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Really? you seriously think that a passerby does not inhale enough to damage their lungs? My neighbor smokes on his front porch and I can tell from INSIDE my house as soon as he lights up. The smell comes right in any open window (except the one side away from his house). I suppose it is only the smell that spreads and not the harmful things in the smoke?

Let us not even get into the parent that drags their young child or infant into the smoking area so that they can have their smokes. These parents should be arrested for child abuse.
Your neighbor smoking on his porch isn't a passerby. You can try talking to your neighbor (who likely can legally smoke on his porch), but probably closing your windows would be a better solution.

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I want to live in your world. I get stuck behind the guy in line who sneaks a cigarette. I have to enter the mall and walk past the 6 people who are basically blocking the doors with themselves and their cloud of smoke. I get stuck walking down the street behind the person smoking and not blowing their smoke up in the air so that it doesnt bother others. I get stuck on the bleachers at my son's baseball game next to the guy who is sitting in the front and the wind blows the smoke across everyone else on the bleachers. I get stuck at the stoplight next to the person smoking in the car whose smoke goes right into my car. not to mention the number of times my car has been hit by a smoldering missile because the smoker does not want to dirty the ashtray in the car and would rather pollute the streets.

Please. There is no way 99.9% of smokers are considerate.

Yes, many are. But, it seems much more like a minority than a majority
Sounds more like you have REALLY bad luck with smoking encounters - although it soundslike most of those smokers are obeying the laws.
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Sorry, all of the examples do not physically harm nearby people the way secondhand smoke does. End of story.

The only people crying about banning smoking are the people defending your god given right to smoke when and where you like.

The rest are asking for a few places to be moved and for all of them to be clearly marked so you can't walk into them inadvertently. Marking on a map is not sufficient.
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So, make indoor smoking areas when/where smoking indoors is illegal? Your neighbor smoking on his porch isn't a passerby. You can try talking to your neighbor (who likely can legally smoke on his porch), but probably closing your windows would be a better solution. Sounds more like you have REALLY bad luck with smoking encounters - although it soundslike most of those smokers are obeying the laws.
Smoking is allowed indoors when it is a smoking club in many states.

I should not have to keep my windows closed to prevent smoke from coming into my house. He smokes every hour almost on the hour.

Yeah smokers throwing their butts out their car windows is very legal. The other things are just rude and inconsiderate in the same wAy that people blasting their car stereos are polluting the environment.

It is a rude disgusting habit that makes many people miserable when they are around it, but please continue to do it, it is your right. Just like that man next to you on the elevator has the right to let off a huge stinking fart when the elevator gets stuck
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The only people crying about banning smoking are the people defending your god given right to smoke when and where you like.
You appear to be confusing the right to smoke in designated smoking areas on private property with a right to smoke anywhere, anytime.

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Smoking is allowed indoors when it is a smoking club in many states..
Wonderful. Your suggestion and whoever agreed with you isn't for a private smoke club. It's to effectively create a smoking location where smoking is prohibited by law.

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I should not have to keep my windows closed to prevent smoke from coming into my house. He smokes every hour almost on the hour. .
Again, you can try discussing with your neighbor. However, since his behavior appears perfectly legal, since it bothers you most likely you will have to take action(s) to prevent the smoke smell from coming into your house.

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Yeah smokers throwing their butts out their car windows is very legal. The other things are just rude and inconsiderate in the same way that people blasting their car stereos are polluting the environment.

It is a rude disgusting habit that makes many people miserable when they are around it, but please continue to do it, it is your right. Just like that man next to you on the elevator has the right to let off a huge stinking fart when the elevator gets stuck.
Well, those drivers have to have really good aim. The few I see doing this drop the cigarettes out the window; generally they land on the road, not on other vehicles. With the other examples, including the neighbor, you as the offended/affected person need to proactively avoid such situations. Move upwind on the bleachers. Pass the smoker on the street (á la Horace Horsecollar's example). Roll up your car window. Grab a park map and avoid the designated smoking areas.
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You appear to be confusing the right to smoke in designated smoking areas on private property with a right to smoke anywhere, anytime. Wonderful. Your suggestion and whoever agreed with you isn't for a private smoke club. It's to effectively create a smoking location where smoking is prohibited by law. Again, you can try discussing with your neighbor. However, since his behavior appears perfectly legal, since it bothers you most likely you will have to take action(s) to prevent the smoke smell from coming into your house. Well, those drivers have to have really good aim. The few I see doing this drop the cigarettes out the window; generally they land on the road, not on other vehicles. With the other examples, including the neighbor, you as the offended/affected person need to proactively avoid such situations. Move upwind on the bleachers. Pass the smoker on the street (á la Horace Horsecollar's example). Roll up your car window. Grab a park map and avoid the designated smoking areas.
I also have the right to walk down the middle of Main St in Disney and loudly discuss my sex life with my friend but it would be wrong.

I see you refuse to discuss anything rationally, but will defend a smokers right to litter, pollute the air, be inconsiderate of others until you die of COPD. What wonderful role models we are for the next generation.
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I also have the right to walk down the middle of Main St in Disney and loudly discuss my sex life with my friend but it would be wrong.

I see you refuse to discuss anything rationally, but will defend a smokers right to litter, pollute the air, be inconsiderate of others until you die of COPD. What wonderful role models we are for the next generation.
Apparently you and I are seeing who is rational from a totally different point of view. And what being a role model means as well.

No one is defending a smoker's right to walk down main street smoking. We are defending their right to smoke in areas that are clearly marked on a map. If someone is too lazy to look at the map and avoid them, that is their problem.
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