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Old 10-21-2013, 08:02 PM   #1
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More About Festival Of The Lion King

1) There is a big time gap from closing to new location opening.
2) The main reason is they are moving the OLD sound system.
3) The system is 15-yrs old, and was only temporary, like the show itself.
. . . the structure was only to be a temporary one
. . . that is why it wasn't enclosed
. . . and the line queues were not well designed for people flow or air flow
4) It hung around to to crowd popularity.
5) The new building will house a COMPLETELY new show and cast, but same sound system. *
6) Can anyone foresee a workman cutting something wrong and the system not working ?!?!?!?

7) Cheap Disney. Cheap Rohde.


* Current performers will be able to audition for the new show, but no
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:07 AM   #2
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Thanks for the info Rusty. A bit confused about your #7 though. Are they going cheap with the new sound system? Or did they manage to get by for 15 years with a cheap system?
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Old 10-23-2013, 11:01 AM   #3
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Yea they are moving because of the old sound system, but then using the same old sound system?

Couldn't they just put in a new sound system?

I thought they were moving to make the area something else?
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Old 10-23-2013, 11:26 AM   #4
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Yea they are moving because of the old sound system, but then using the same old sound system?

Couldn't they just put in a new sound system?

I thought they were moving to make the area something else?
I understood it as they are going to take a long time moving because they are moving the old sound system, not that they are moving because of the old sound system.
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Old 10-23-2013, 11:39 AM   #5
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I understood it as they are going to take a long time moving because they are moving the old sound system, not that they are moving because of the old sound system.
I gotcha, #1 is going to take so long because they are moving the old sound system-sorry I read #2 alone as the main reason they were moving was "because" (not in there) of the old sound system-duh.
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Old 10-23-2013, 11:42 AM   #6
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There has to be more than the sound system driving the long move.

A sound system is not that hard to move. it consists of
* Amp which sit in one place, easy to move
* Controls, which sit in the control booth, easy to move
* Speakers, which must be mounted all around, easy to move
* Mics, which are portable
* Wiring, which cannot be moved and must be run new when they
re-mount the speakers.

All in all, assuming you tear down the old system at leisure,
When the new theater is ready and the power outlets are
installed, the system can be re-installed and tested in 1-3 days depending on how many people are in the crew.

(I've set up dozens of sound systems for similar sized theaters. Weekend
productions this size are set up in 4 hours flat with 2 people.)
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Old 10-23-2013, 12:02 PM   #7
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I'd be surprised to see a new show. FotLK is a good fit for DAK and is still incredibly popular. I don't know why they'd seek to change it.
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There has to be more than the sound system driving the long move. A sound system is not that hard to move. it consists of * Amp which sit in one place, easy to move * Controls, which sit in the control booth, easy to move * Speakers, which must be mounted all around, easy to move * Mics, which are portable * Wiring, which cannot be moved and must be run new when they re-mount the speakers. All in all, assuming you tear down the old system at leisure, When the new theater is ready and the power outlets are installed, the system can be re-installed and tested in 1-3 days depending on how many people are in the crew. (I've set up dozens of sound systems for similar sized theaters. Weekend productions this size are set up in 4 hours flat with 2 people.)
I agree with you here. There is no way that the sound system is the only thing making them move. Avatar land is the main reason for the move that back area is being cleaned out and the expansion will take place through there.
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I agree with you here. There is no way that the sound system is the only thing making them move. Avatar land is the main reason for the move that back area is being cleaned out and the expansion will take place through there.
OP didn't say they are moving because of the sound system.
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Totally agree with ParrotBill, I work in a casino and a 24hr turn around in our concert venue is common. Moving a sound system shouldn't take more than a few days at most.

As to the sound system, newer doesn't mean better. If the old system sounded good new it will still sound good, if it sounded bad when new it will still sound bad. I still have a 25 year old pair of Infinity reference speakers and an old tube amp that sound better than any of my newer modern speakers or digital amps.
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I'll third those above.

I have been in several bands in the past and have had to move PA systems, sound systems, recording equipment, just about any kind of sound equipment you can imagine, plus have moved my at-home studio a couple times.

Now, none of this is as large scale as what Disney uses, but it doesn't exactly change a whole lot for a bigger system. Longer cords, more things to plug in, etc...but someone who knows the equipment, it shouldn't be all that hard.
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Totally agree with ParrotBill, I work in a casino and a 24hr turn around in our concert venue is common. Moving a sound system shouldn't take more than a few days at most.

As to the sound system, newer doesn't mean better. If the old system sounded good new it will still sound good, if it sounded bad when new it will still sound bad. I still have a 25 year old pair of Infinity reference speakers and an old tube amp that sound better than any of my newer modern speakers or digital amps.
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Yea they are moving because of the old sound system, but then using the same old sound system?

1) Yes, they are moving the OLD system into the NEW structure.
2) I would think they would use the latest technology for the new building/show.
3) The current system was installed about 15-yrs ago
. . . it was meant only as a temporary measure in a temporary building
. . . even at the time it was installed, it was outdated
. . . and has had problems since installation
. . . many audience members remember sound drop-outs and feedback
4) Using the old system means 2-3 generations behind-the-times system.
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. . . I work in a casino and a 24hr turn around in our concert venue is common. Moving a sound system shouldn't take more than a few days at most . . .

1) A casino or band sound system is no where as complicated as a Disney show system
. . . try comparing the casino sound system with the Cirque "Love" sound system at Mirage
. . . the complexity differential is monstrous
2) There are HUNDREDS of channels per system.
3) Plus, there are many remote cues and alternate controllers.
4) It is not simply moving wires, if so, it would be relatively easy.
5) So, the move is holding up the new show opening by weeks due to complexity.

6) The show is being moved behind Tusker House to make way for Avatarland.
. . . this is the sole reason for the move
. . . the temporary building was enclosed and air conditioned lately
. . . this transformed the show into a quasi-permanent venue
7) The downtime between old show and new show is due to
. . . moving the light and sound systems to new building
. . . training all the new actors for the new show *
. . . training the technicians that support the new show

* The new location has a brand new show. The actors/CM's are going to
be all new ones. The current actors have the ability to audition for the
new roles, but NO preference will be given to them as the current actors.
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Old 10-23-2013, 08:11 PM   #15
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I'm glad that we get to see it one more time this December.

I'll just add: Disney, just stop it.
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