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Old 02-01-2014, 12:33 AM   #16
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I think this idea is ridiculous. I'm a plus-size woman at size 18 and I'm a huge Disney nut. I don't feel that this is needed. The only extra representation of Disney princesses I agree with is racial. Belle is my favorite princess but, as an African-American it was a nice change of pace to see Tiana become a princess. I think that cartoons are cartoons and great storytelling is what's most important. Growing up, I never focused on how skinny or fat a princess was. I just enjoyed the stories for what they were, and I hope my future children will do the same.
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Old 02-01-2014, 09:18 PM   #17
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Honestly, this is stupid (and this is coming from a teen who is apparently 'plus-sized' because I'm a size 12).

Princesses are fictional. They do NOT have to follow societal norms because they're not real! So of COURSE they're going to be idealized. Barbie is never going to be plus-sized either, and there's a reason behind that. Idealized sells.

If you want to show your girls a 'real woman role model', tell stories about the strong and powerful women in your family or in history, regardless of their size. Or, you can show girls ACTUAL princesses (at least one in this list appears bigger than average: http://www.theveryfairyprincess.com/princesses.html).

I'd much rather go through an old photo album and show my daughter pictures of her plus-sized grandmother or aunt and share stories of their personal courage and triumph instead of relying on an enormous entertainment conglomerate to do it for me.
This! It is up to parents to teach their children the proper healthy body image.

Someone used the key word; CARICATURE! a caricature is an exaggerated expression of something. Women are given exaggerated curves and men are given exaggerated shoulders and tiny waists. It is so the cartoon communicates easily who is who.

Why does nobody talk about the ridiculously muscular good guys? (Those huge shoulders and tiny waists.) All the poor boys will think they have to become body builders.
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Old 02-01-2014, 09:28 PM   #18
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This! It is up to parents to teach their children the proper healthy body image. Someone used the key word; CARICATURE! a caricature is an exaggerated expression of something. Women are given exaggerated curves and men are given exaggerated shoulders and tiny waists. It is so the cartoon communicates easily who is who. Why does nobody talk about the ridiculously muscular good guys? (Those huge shoulders and tiny waists.) All the poor boys will think they have to become body builders.
This is so true! People only ever complain about the overly skinny princesses, but no one is petitioning for less "idealized" men!
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Old 02-04-2014, 08:50 PM   #19
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Exclamation Petition is gaining momentum and national press-18K in signatures

TIME Magazine: Teen Girl Asks Disney to Make a Plus-Size Princess

Virginia high school junior Jewel Moore says a plus-size Disney princess would do a world of good for girls who feel ugly for not fitting the skinny animated stereotype

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Virginia high school junior Jewel Moore says a plus-size Disney princess would do a world of good for girls who feel ugly for not fitting the skinny animated stereotype. Even with Disney’s latest princess movie Frozen, many have pointed out Anna’s “absurd proportions,” noting that her eyes are larger than her wrists.

“I made this petition because I’m a plus-size young woman, and I know many plus-size girls and women who struggle with confidence and need a positivie [sic] plus-size character in the media.” So far, the petition has gained more than 18,000 signatures.
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Old 02-05-2014, 06:52 AM   #20
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What is actually being asked for is not on a level that disney or any media can change-- a re wiring of peoples brains to no longer desire the most fit and dominant physiques. This is engrained into our sub conscious by the creating powers that be to help generate the species in the most productive way. The females are drawn to the most dominant males for protection and provision, and the males are drawn to the most fit or able bodied females for successful child bearing. Can't change it.
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Old 02-05-2014, 07:01 AM   #21
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Okay, I'll be "That Guy" and ask the question:

If you expressed your support for Disney simply representing "life" in this thread:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3228589

Why would you not support this aspect of the same concept? Doesn't society contain an ample (excuse the pun) percentage of Plus-Size people?

I'm surprised to see a different sort of response here (jokes about buffets, etc).
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Old 02-05-2014, 01:20 PM   #22
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I certainly don't think it would be a bad idea for Disney to include a plus sized princess. I do think that Disney is moving more in that direction. Think of the animated movie, The Incredibles. At least people saw the natural results of aging and child bearing. Even with the diet and exercise, older Mr. Incredible never looks quite the same as young Mr. Incredible. Same with Elastigirl.
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Old 02-05-2014, 03:28 PM   #23
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What’s next? Writing a superhero movie about a guy who saves a cat from a tree because little Johnny can’t relate to Thor?

Superhero movies are exactly what they should be; entertainment and are not real. They take us away from every day life and offer us pure 'who cares' for the length of the movie. Why on earth a princess movie should be treated ANY different is beyond me.
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Old 02-05-2014, 05:23 PM   #24
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I think this idea is ridiculous. I'm a plus-size woman at size 18 and I'm a huge Disney nut. I don't feel that this is needed. The only extra representation of Disney princesses I agree with is racial. Belle is my favorite princess but, as an African-American it was a nice change of pace to see Tiana become a princess. I think that cartoons are cartoons and great storytelling is what's most important. Growing up, I never focused on how skinny or fat a princess was. I just enjoyed the stories for what they were, and I hope my future children will do the same.
+1. ...and I'm a white guy. I was glad to se Tiana - AND that was a great movie.

What about how the hero/men are always ridiculously proportioned as well, with huge pecs & biceps, trim waists? You don't hear us guys belly aching about that image portrayed.

Really, I just wish people would put their chin up and try harder. The end result would be better for everyone.
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Really, I just wish people would put their chin up and try harder. The end result would be better for everyone.
This! Very well said.

I must say though, that I come down firmly on both sides of this issue: On the one side, from the parents perspective, it is up to them to instill proper values and self esteem in their children. I know people of various sizes that never had an issue with Barbie or Disney because they were taught to ignore cultural expectations and they were given a sense of self worth.

On the other hand, from Disney's perspective, what would it hurt to have a somewhat larger princess? It would have to be written well and designed carefully, but it could be done.
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There shouldn't be an obligation to do such a thing because a few people want it.

The same way there shouldn't be an obligation to do such a thing for a princess who is mexican, or from india, or who is parapalegic, or whatever.

There can be a case made for a lot of princesses, but there's a lot more involved to a story than just "this one is fat"
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I think this idea is ridiculous. I'm a plus-size woman at size 18 and I'm a huge Disney nut. I don't feel that this is needed. The only extra representation of Disney princesses I agree with is racial. Belle is my favorite princess but, as an African-American it was a nice change of pace to see Tiana become a princess. I think that cartoons are cartoons and great storytelling is what's most important. Growing up, I never focused on how skinny or fat a princess was. I just enjoyed the stories for what they were, and I hope my future children will do the same.
Hear hear!
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Old 02-05-2014, 07:24 PM   #28
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I gotta say I'm on the girl's side. I don't necessarily think the princess should be plus-sized, just not the cookie cutter shape that they all seem to be. I will probably never be plus-sized but I'll also never be tall. But I know that girls go through some real changes in body shape around the time they'd be interested in princesses, which may make them feel plus-sized but they're actually normal.

So I'm happy for the diversity they've shown so far and I just want them to keep going.
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Ugh......sick of people's demands. Get over it.
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There shouldn't be an obligation to do such a thing because a few people want it.
The petition has generated almost 23,000 signatures in a few days. Hardly "a few".
I think what we're seeing more and more is a desire for "real women" to be represented in media. Look at Dove's "Real Beauty" project, the Aerie Real campaign, and countless articles about model's un-Photoshopped pictures. I agree with a PP that people are tired of seeing "cookie cutter" princesses. People come in all shapes and sizes. I have a hard time with the "celebrating ideal image" comments, but probably because I have so many friends that have celebrated that ideal so intensely that they wound up in a hospital room with body dismorphia. But maybe that's just me.
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