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Old 01-22-2014, 08:47 AM   #31
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To be fair, he didn't say "what's the big deal". He said that if losing that one re-ride is going to cause you stress or keep you away from Disney World, "that is your own business". I don't think anyone can disagree with that.
I was being fair. You seemed to have missed the part where I was paraphrasing, not direct quoting, but if you want the actual quote here you go:

"Is one less re-ride going to keep you away from Walt Disney World? Is it worth stressing over? Is the world ending because you find yourself on a relaxing Liberty Square Riverboat ride instead of huffing and puffing back to Big Thunder Mountain to ride for the third time that day? This is your own business."

And my previous comment still stands in regard to that part. That's all.
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Or when your scaredy cat kiddo finally rides the big ride and looks at you and says "can we go again"...in the past we would be able to pull another FP-, now the only way to ride it again is to stand in a ridiculously long line, it is not happening.
I don't recall many times that you could get a FP to get you right back on if there were long lines.

Long lines are not uncommon at WDW.
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Old 01-22-2014, 08:52 AM   #33
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I wrote this after our November trip:

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My recommendations for a great Disney World trip once FP- is gone:

Vacation at a slow time of year like September and first part of November. Be very selective about the time you vacation. Pull kids out of school to get the most bang for your buck.

Stay for 7 days minimum. Plan on going to MK for 3 days, EP 2 days, DHS, 2 days, and AK 1 day. Due to the limit on the number of FP+ one can get, extended vacations will allow you to use FP+ on all the main attractions.

Don't worry about park hopping unless you're interested in seeing the lesser known attractions.

Do not change your schedule the day of unless you are OK with losing your headlining FP+ appointments. I will admit, this one may not come to fruition as it's possible there will be an ample supply of FP+ available.

At non busy times you will want to be at the parks at least a half hour before opening..at busy times get there an hour or two ahead. This way you can see the most attractions in a day, and perhaps even ride the headliners more than once. This will become more vital as FP+ becomes more established.

It's still ok to leave for an afternoon break, just make sure you get back in time for your FP+ appointments if you planned them for the afternoon.

Be prepared for huge lines to get into FP lines. That means bring ponchos.

Work with your kids on proper magic band placement to help keep the FP+ line moving.

Schedule your FP+ rides in the afternoons or evenings when the park is most crowded. You are better off using your FP+ selections at that time instead of waiting in huge lines for all non FP+ attractions.

If it's ever offered go ahead and purchase the unlimited FP no matter how much it costs.
Other than FP+ the day of changes I think I was pretty dead on.
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Old 01-22-2014, 08:56 AM   #34
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The one thing I would disagree with was the comment where he said something like what's the big deal if you don't get to ride BTMRR one more time and you ride the Liberty Belle instead. I think that is definitely true if you live locally or if you travel there a few times a year. But for the family who has to save up, buy expensive flights, hotels, and gets to go maybe once every year or two years, losing those re-rides in the afternoon is a huge takeaway.
I'm sure each individual has their own attraction preferences and I DO go roughly 3-4 times a year for long weekends.

But...

I remember when I would go just once a year or less and we would ride BTMRR during Wishes. Literally, the "line" was how long it took you to walk from the exit back through the queue. I still, with zero people in front of me, only road it twice. I mean, personally, its the same ride again. There isn't anything new and you're going too fast to see something you missed last time.

Now that I go more often, I purposefully skip some of my favorites so that the next time I go, it will be like new. I love Spaceship Earth or Jungle Cruise, but I'll be okay if I miss them on one trip. I certainly don't need to ride them more than once a trip. I save that for the highly competitive Buzz Lightyear-type rides, where a vacation victor must be crowned!
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Old 01-22-2014, 09:09 AM   #35
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WDW is soooo much more than just rides!! It seems that the people who are only concerned with the number of rides they can get in a day would be better served going to Universal and staying in one of their hotels to get the "front of the line" pass. Then they can ride all they want. I think that would also benefit the other people who are fine with standing in line for a Disney ride to not have to listen to someone next to them complain the whole time in line because they cant get paper FP anymore.
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Old 01-22-2014, 09:14 AM   #36
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I also think that Josh's timeline is overly optimistic for most people, he is one person, moving efficiently through the park. There is no way I get could from Fairytale hall to Peter Pan in two minutes, rounding up the kids, parking and unloading the stroller, it all takes more time. All that extra travel time means less riding in the end, unfortunately.
I don't get your point.

A single person, moving efficiently through the park is pretty much ALWAYS going to get more done than someone with small children or a larger party, regardless of FP+, FP-, or no FP at all. When our kids were small, we didn't get as much done as as we do now that our youngest is 10. No extended, frequent potty breaks, diaper changes, stroller parking, etc makes for an easier day with more attractions visited.

I also, personally, don't equate the success of my visit to how many rides I get to go on. Going to Disney World, for me, is as much about the atmosphere, the shows, the food, touring the resorts, riding bikes, soaking in the magic as it is about the rides. I know that is a personal feeling but most of my best memories aren't from riding Space Mountain 10 times.
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Old 01-22-2014, 09:16 AM   #37
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WDW is soooo much more than just rides!! It seems that the people who are only concerned with the number of rides they can get in a day would be better served going to Universal and staying in one of their hotels to get the "front of the line" pass. Then they can ride all they want. I think that would also benefit the other people who are fine with standing in line for a Disney ride to not have to listen to someone next to them complain the whole time in line because they cant get paper FP anymore.
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I don't get your point.

A single person, moving efficiently through the park is pretty much ALWAYS going to get more done than someone with small children or a larger party, regardless of FP+, FP-, or no FP at all. When our kids were small, we didn't get as much done as as we do now that our youngest is 10. No extended, frequent potty breaks, diaper changes, stroller parking, etc makes for an easier day with more attractions visited.
This is a great point. I'd love to see Josh try this with three other adults and four children.
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WDW is soooo much more than just rides!! It seems that the people who are only concerned with the number of rides they can get in a day would be better served going to Universal and staying in one of their hotels to get the "front of the line" pass. Then they can ride all they want. I think that would also benefit the other people who are fine with standing in line for a Disney ride to not have to listen to someone next to them complain the whole time in line because they cant get paper FP anymore.
It is more than rides, I agree. I'm not a huge ride person myself...if I ride maybe 4 or 5 rides in a day (including the bottom tier rides lol). Throw in a show or a parade, I'm good.

But I do think there it's reasonable that people expect a certain amount of rides for the prices that Disney charges for their tickets.
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This is a great point. I'd love to see Josh try this with three other adults and four children.
I have been to WDW as a child (with my family), as a single adult, as a member of an adult party of 2 or more, as a parent (with my children), as a member of an extended family, and with a very large group (marching band). Add more people to your party and you add more complexity. Note the use of the word YOU. Disney isn't causing you to ride fewer rides, YOU are.

Josh did not claim that a family of 8 could follow his touring timeline. If asked, he would probably be the first to point out that it just wouldn't work. Even if all 8 were adults, you could never get 8 people moving together like that without other delays. But that isn't WDW's fault or problem. These are choices that we make.

Some of my best trips to WDW were as a child and with my children - part of a larger, slower moving group. We rode far fewer rides on those trips, but they still rank at the top. And these trips were both before and after FP-, long before FP+.

WDW is what you make of it, just like the rest of our lives.
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I'm sure each individual has their own attraction preferences and I DO go roughly 3-4 times a year for long weekends.

But...

I remember when I would go just once a year or less and we would ride BTMRR during Wishes. Literally, the "line" was how long it took you to walk from the exit back through the queue. I still, with zero people in front of me, only road it twice. I mean, personally, its the same ride again. There isn't anything new and you're going too fast to see something you missed last time.

Now that I go more often, I purposefully skip some of my favorites so that the next time I go, it will be like new. I love Spaceship Earth or Jungle Cruise, but I'll be okay if I miss them on one trip. I certainly don't need to ride them more than once a trip. I save that for the highly competitive Buzz Lightyear-type rides, where a vacation victor must be crowned!
We skip whole parks now on each trip, deliberately. It helps keep things less hectic and more relaxing, and then the park is new again when we get to go back. But we are lucky enough to get down there two or three times a year now. Back when it was only once a year, or less, there was a feeling of wanting to get as much out of it as we could.

I think kids also like to repeat rides more than adults, at least in our family. Once my kids find a ride they like, they want to ride it again. Especially as someone mentioned above, when you have a scaredy-cat
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It is more than rides, I agree. I'm not a huge ride person myself...if I ride maybe 4 or 5 rides in a day (including the bottom tier rides lol). Throw in a show or a parade, I'm good.

But I do think there it's reasonable that people expect a certain amount of rides for the prices that Disney charges for their tickets.
The only way to do this, for EVERYONE who paid the exact same amount for their tickets, is to allow less people in the parks.

50,000+/- people are in the Magic Kingdom each day. How can all 50,000 ride every ride they want with zero wait?

I think the problem is that with FP-, people who knew the best strategy were the only ones who could ride everything 7 times. Unfortunately, the other 45,000 guests were just the unwashed masses that got passed by FP runner.

I know Disney just wants your money, but I agree with the other posters before that argue that WDW is about more than just the rides. Sure, getting a box of popcorn on Main street isn't free. Nor is getting a Dole Whip in Adventureland. But these are just as much a part of any trip to MK for me as any ride is.
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I'm sure each individual has their own attraction preferences and I DO go roughly 3-4 times a year for long weekends.

But...

I remember when I would go just once a year or less and we would ride BTMRR during Wishes. Literally, the "line" was how long it took you to walk from the exit back through the queue. I still, with zero people in front of me, only road it twice. I mean, personally, its the same ride again. There isn't anything new and you're going too fast to see something you missed last time.

Now that I go more often, I purposefully skip some of my favorites so that the next time I go, it will be like new. I love Spaceship Earth or Jungle Cruise, but I'll be okay if I miss them on one trip. I certainly don't need to ride them more than once a trip. I save that for the highly competitive Buzz Lightyear-type rides, where a vacation victor must be crowned!
My kids like to ride their favorites more than once, as do I. Since you are a frequent visitor, it is easy enough for you to say "oh, I'll ride that next time".

Not everyone has that luxury.

I feel like I'm banging my head against a wall, but as been pointed out numerous times, there are very few "slow" times at WDW anymore. Experiences from even five years ago can't be compared to what is happening now.

Are there going to be times when rides are walk-on? Sure, for a short time in the morning at RD or late at night right before closing. It isn't the norm at any time during the day.
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I have been to WDW as a child (with my family), as a single adult, as a member of an adult party of 2 or more, as a parent (with my children), as a member of an extended family, and with a very large group (marching band). Add more people to your party and you add more complexity. Note the use of the word YOU. Disney isn't causing you to ride fewer rides, YOU are.

Josh did not claim that a family of 8 could follow his touring timeline. If asked, he would probably be the first to point out that it just wouldn't work. Even if all 8 were adults, you could never get 8 people moving together like that without other delays. But that isn't WDW's fault or problem. These are choices that we make.
Thank you. THIS was actually my point in response to the other poster's assertion that Josh was oversimplifying things.
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Apparently some people think FP+ is the sign of the apocalypse. People need to chill, it's WDW and there has always been waiting involved at WDW.


You just have to go with it. It isn't going away any time soon, if ever at all. Learn to roll with the punches, and plan a bit more, sure, but hey, if it's what you've got to do to make sure you ride what you want and see what you want, so be it.
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