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Old 01-20-2014, 11:27 AM   #76
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I think Disney charging even more money for something like this is rediculous, but to each their own. I am sure people would pay it. Personally, we usually go somewhere tropical, this year we are doing Disney instead. We flew to Jamaica, stayed at Sandals where EVERYTHING is included, no tips are expected or allowed, got to lay on the beach and eat/drink whatever I wanted whenever I wanted...for less than we are spending at Disney before tips/extras. It kind of makes me sick, my kids are lucky I want to do this special trip with them. There are plenty of special family trips for much less if Disney decides to get even more money hungry.
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Old 01-20-2014, 11:59 AM   #77
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Hmm, well at least the "3 is not enough" and "threw a billion dollars down the drain" message was heard clearly.

For us, ahh it's just the price of a drink. Not much impact on a $10,000 XMAS week stay-esp to save 100 minutes in a line.

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Old 01-20-2014, 12:10 PM   #78
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According to a recent Orlando Sentinel article, they say the statistics are that approximately just over 50% of park guests used FP- at all, and those that did pulled an average of 2 per day. Those would be overall numbers of course. Both numbers for DISers are surely much higher. However, given those statistics (and assuming they are true), you can see how Disney would think 3 FP+ per day is an improvement to the average "guest experience". Of course, we here on these boards don't consider ourselves the average guest. I'm still in the wait-and see-camp as to whether this will be an improvement for us, or if it will diminish our experience. I certainly can see them going to this pay-for-more FP+ system. Most of us always though they would start monetizing FPs in some way. This could be it. Price point is tricky. Keep it cheap and there won't be enough capacity for everyone who will do it. Too much and no one will do it. We've already seen in this thread that a couple of people will do and most will not. Disney would probably look at this and think "perfect!".
I agree which you. The dis boards is a very small percentage of what's in a park in a year. Most people here do use more than three a day. I tho do not so this is perfect for me. I can't see disney not looking into statistics for this. If disney does this and makes money off of it they will be happy if they don't do it than they aren't going to keep it very long.
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Old 01-20-2014, 12:14 PM   #79
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Mine Train hasn't actually opened yet. At this rate, it may be 2015. Dumbo and Barnstormer . . . that's really stretching it to call them updated and enhanced. These things pale in comparison to what Universal is adding to the WWoHP. Which won't open for 4 years. Except that they somehow managed to make Test Track WORSE. Star Tours is a lot better, though. It may not be that less is happening, but it's not the number of parks that's the problem -- it's that Universal is doing the same amount in about half the time that Disney is. Disney is just SLOW. If they would just speed up the timetable, people would stop complaining.
mine train should still open this year most likely end of spring it's still pretty much on pace. Dumbo is updated they added another ride and its in a completely different area. Avatar if done right will be better than Harry potter is has the capability to be one of the best things disney has done in a long time. Really the only people complaining are the people on the message boards. These boards make up a very very small percentage of what the parks see in a year.
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Old 01-20-2014, 12:18 PM   #80
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I COMPLETELY agree with you!!! There was. Nothing wrong with fast pass the way it was! In my 3 recent trips, we never had an issue, got to ride everything we wanted to and never waited in a standby line longer than maybe 40 min? 2 of those trips were weeks MK had been closing due to maximum capacity. If these costs keep going up, there is going to be absolutely no way we can afford trips there anymore :/
disney wanted to connect everything together and make it simpler with the magic bands. They wanted to tie your entire vacation together, rides, shopping, hotel, dinning. That is the point of this system the old system has been around for 15 years it was going to change at some point.
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Old 01-20-2014, 12:19 PM   #81
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I said adding TO WWoHP. But if you want to compare, Forbidden Journey blows away anything in New Fantasyland. 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017. Announced in late 2013, opening in 2017, looks like 4 years to me. So, half the time, roughly.
construction didn't start on avatar until this month tho so really it is 2014-2017 three years
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Old 01-20-2014, 12:42 PM   #82
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Magic Bands make it easy to treat guests differently with respect to FP+. Charge guests who want extras. Give more to guests staying in deluxe resorts. Unlimited FP+ to guests staying a concierge level. Obviously these are things Disney could do, currently just rumors and speculation.

Consider an attraction which run close to capacity, Toy Story Manaia and Soarin was that way for months (years?) after they opened for at least peak park days.

Every extra FP Disney sells or gives to "special" guests is one less FP (or standby slot) available to regular guests. This kind of policy could have a dramatic impact on regular guests.

This could be one of the ways Disney hopes to get back some of the $$$ spent on magic bands.

Do we know how Disney is allocating FP+? Is it based on the date you make your reservation? Guests who book a trip a month or so out may have limited dining options. Will the same thing be happening with FPs for popular attractions?

I wouldn't have an issue Disney limited the number of advance FP+ ensuring some availability of FP the same day and holding back enough so "standby" guests have at some availability.
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Old 01-20-2014, 02:27 PM   #83
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So you only ride rides with fastpasses? And you were able to pull how many per day? I'm sure you'll lie and say you did 7 or 8 FP per day now.

And how many rides have not only 60+ minute waits, but the queue's for those are outside? Not many at all.

Nice hyperbole, though.
Actually pulling that many wouldn't be hard if you get there at rope drop, draw whenever you have the opportunity, and stay until close. Even during slow periods the parks are open for roughly 12 hrs... even at the full 2 hrs between that would be 6 FP, and the morning ones usually weren't for a full 2 hrs ahead.
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Old 01-20-2014, 02:34 PM   #84
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construction didn't start on avatar until this month tho so really it is 2014-2017 three years
Only if it opens in January of '17. And only if it opens in a full fledged form. New Fantasyland "opened" a long time ago, but is still incomplete.

I still start counting from when it was announced, because they were making physical moves at the park even before the announcement.
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Old 01-20-2014, 03:05 PM   #85
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Only if it opens in January of '17. And only if it opens in a full fledged form. New Fantasyland "opened" a long time ago, but is still incomplete. I still start counting from when it was announced, because they were making physical moves at the park even before the announcement.
I have a feeling we may see another expansion that opens in phases with this.
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Old 01-20-2014, 04:55 PM   #86
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first off there was a time when FP wasn't a thing and everyone survived. Also you can manage with three FP very well I have a family of five and we don't use more than that a day. You don't have to buy these extra FP+ it's only if you want more. I'm pretty sure disney has looked into statistics and seen the average persona and how many FPs they use in a day. I would imagine its around three. Thousands of people go to WDW and don't even use a single FP. And right now MK and AK are FP+ only and the standby lines have not been to bad they have been very very reasonable. Yes it is down time in WDW but even during busy times I don't think its going to be much different than what it has been in the past.
The problem (to me) is not the three fast passes. I actually think that's about right, we usually use more but we could deal with this. The actual problem is that when you add extra fast passes for a fee, then the more people that buy these, the AVAILABILITY OF FASTPASSES for those who choose not to pay is dimished. (I'm assuming here that if you choose to pay extra then you will get priority of ride times) Either that, or, they sell a ton more fastpasses, which makes the standby lines LONGER. So those people who keep saying that it doesn't affect those who choose not to pay, I feel are very wrong.

There are going to be a ton of people willing to pay for this. Ridiculous, I know. But that's the problem. (My family definitely pays $49 extra a person to go to Universal and jump to the line on EVERY ride, there is value in it for us). But they limit the number of passes sold, and also are only available to resort guests (which are MUCH less people than the amount of disney) and nobody else. They do not give everybody that enters the park 3 free "express pass rides". With Disney doing this, that is FASTPASS OVERLOAD. So either problem will be 1) availability of fast pass times for headliners will be scarce if they don't circulate more passes, OR 2) standby waits will be long for those who choose not to pay with tons of extra FASTPASSES circulating.

Who gets priority then when choosing attractions? The resort guests who paid to stay on property for their 3? Then what if there are no TSM times left for those who pay extra? Do they just give more out? Then probably last would be the off site guests with nothing left? Very slimy to me. Pay all of that money and feel like you can't ride anything. Obviously i'm speculating here, but there's just no way they can do this and not have some group very mad.
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Old 01-20-2014, 06:01 PM   #87
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I may be in the minority, but I think the changes to the fast pass system could be positive. I think this new system is potentially their way of limiting and enforcing better control of the fast pass system. It could improve wait times for everyone.

With the old system, it was a free for all with first come/first serve distribution with few limits. I see a lot of people voicing how unfair the new system will be, but the older system was still unfair in many ways. Some people would get multiple passes for the same attraction while others never got a pass for that attraction (the early bird gets the worm? ). On several of our trips, we observed times when fast pass lines were almost as long as stand-by lines and they were anything but "fast". Fast pass return times were routinely ignored and people just came back anytime after their return time (guilty myself :raises hand: so I'm not picking on anyone, it was just the way it was ). The new magic bands and fast pass+ system may make it easier for them to enforce the fast pass window which should help the standby lines move more efficiently and make the fast pass lines themselves move faster. They are limiting people to 1 fast pass per attraction which seems to me to be their way of trying to ensure at least some fairness.

I have no problem with them offering early fastpass+ booking and additional passes to those staying on property. People pay a huge premium to stay on property, and the benefits for paying extra aren't exactly awesome and have been dwindling. While a premium hotel room runs about $250/night off property, one can easily pay about $500/night for a deluxe resort. Convenience is one thing (I happily paid for it when my boys were younger), but is it worth double? A perk like extra fastpasses could easily make it worth the extra money for some families to stay on property. I don't think I'll ever understand the argument that it's not fair for them to offer perks like this to their onsite guests or to charge an equivalent amount to off site guests for those perks. I see these as perfect perks and incentives to entice people to stay on property.

The one thing that I do think that needs to be amended is the one park restriction for fast passes. It severely diminishes the value of adding the park hopper option if you don't have the ability to get passes at more than one park. You can keep the tiers and number of passes per tier, but they should allow multiple parks. Something else they should perhaps consider allowing would be the option of treating the fast pass tiers like dining tiers - you can use 2 of a lower tier to get 1 from the premium tier or vice versa.
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Old 01-20-2014, 06:36 PM   #88
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Really the only people complaining are the people on the message boards. These boards make up a very very small percentage of what the parks see in a year.
Yep, the ONLY PEOPLE COMPLAINING are on Disney message board. Keep believing that and then read this. Let me know if you'd like to amend your previous statement.
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This thread has gone entirely down hill. It's just like those pitiful threads on themeparks and strategies board.
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Yep, the ONLY PEOPLE COMPLAINING are on Disney message board. Keep believing that and then read this. Let me know if you'd like to amend your previous statement.
The biggest takeaway from this linked article?

I haven't had a chance to try the new system yet, but obviously, I'm not excited about it.

Says all you need to know about the article, to be completely honest.
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