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Old 01-19-2014, 01:34 PM   #31
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I'm surprised they are starting it at such a high price. But then again, that would help limit the number of purchasers and help those staying on-site to get "added value". Since we would be staying on-site, it doesn't sound too bad to me.
Haha...I was thinking the same thing. I'm wondering if they will tier it according to hotels. I could see that. We usually stay deluxe if we stay onsite...we are doing a split stay this time.

I also wonder how they will affect discounts. Wonder if deluxe discounts will be lowered!?
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Old 01-19-2014, 02:52 PM   #32
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Nobody is forcing you to buy these. It's an added option to the current 3 FP+ given.

I see what you mean with Universal adding and updating attractions and Disney not...

I mean, Disney only added New Fantasyland with two new rides (Mine Train/Mermaid), two updated/enhanced (Dumbo/Barnstormer), and a new attraction in Enchanted Tales with Belle. They are also working on Avatar.

They also just did a complete makeover of Test Track and also Star Tours... I'd count that as updating rides.

I guess it's not the same as adding a ride in Potterland, and re-theming two others. Or doing a makeover of SpiderMan. They opened two new rides in Universal Studios Florida over the past couple of years. Though, with the new rides comes loss of old rides, something Disney hasn't done with its recent developments, unless you count Toon Town as a loss attractions-wise.

So yeah, it's pretty much been the same, but Disney has four parks, so it seems like less is happening.
Um...... Well obviously, nobody is forced to buy them. But we used to get a lot of fast passes for free, and now we would have to pay for them. Simple as that. We don't personally think many Disney rides are worth an extra fee on top of an already outrageous admission price plus AN INCREDIBLY OUTRAGEOUS hotel price. The value just isn't in it for our family.

The problem is that if they want to sell all of these for a fee FASTPASSES, then the amount left for "free" will either be reduced, or standby lines will be longer probably with the extra FASTPASSES sold. So that's how it affects everyone unless you buy in. Either way, we don't need to spend thousands of extra dollars to find out. We will have a great time in feb, and book a cruise to Bermuda next summer. No biggie!
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Old 01-19-2014, 02:57 PM   #33
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Isn't this possibly just another way to reward you for staying on site? Not sure who would pay the prices suggested, not us, but makes sense to have a buy-up option. IMHO they would be better off building new attractions rather than raffling off the obviously spaces for the obviously too few they have for the crowds today.
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Old 01-19-2014, 03:31 PM   #34
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Isn't this possibly just another way to reward you for staying on site? Not sure who would pay the prices suggested, not us, but makes sense to have a buy-up option. IMHO they would be better off building new attractions rather than raffling off the obviously spaces for the obviously too few they have for the crowds today.
I'm wondering the same thing. We stay Deluxe and feel there should be more perks for paying more $$$ for a deluxe resort....just not sure the FP+ "free" ticket allotment is the way to go about it.

Can't say that this new system will effect our upcoming trip as we are not FP fanatics (2/day FP max) but I am like many of you who don't like seeing more dollar signs flashing at us for something that was "free" before, especially at the high costs of everything else.

Obviously Disney has a method behind their madness and only time will tell if this new system will make or break the tried and true method... which I thought was working fine before, but what do I know.

And I agree with Jetta8300...
It's a choice to visit the Disney parks and to pay the high prices... a choice I've made eight times now, but if Disney decides to keep jacking up costs for not much in return, I too will be vacationing elsewhere. My choice and no hard feelings!
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Old 01-19-2014, 03:33 PM   #35
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Seriously?

Anyway back to the topic... Are those prices for real? Would a family of five really pay about $75 extra to ride a tier one ride?
An extra E-ticket in the 1970s cost $.90 that would be about $3.50 in today's prices. $14.95 would be about the typical Disney inflation path.

WOW! $15.00 for a ride after paying $400.00 or more for tickets.

BUT, if a credit card is attached to the MDE, and all someone would have to do is whip out their phone and push a button. People will do it. Not this person, but people will do it.
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Old 01-19-2014, 04:27 PM   #36
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I still think that the old system was far superior...and free, but I just can't see being at MK during the summer or any other busy time and enjoy it with 3 FP. If I am going to spend money to get in the park I am glad to at least be able to buy them vs not.
That is exactly the thought they're going for...

And why I'm adamantly opposed to it.
Staying home seems more fun. I won't be held hostage to what already costs the most pound for pound
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Old 01-19-2014, 04:30 PM   #37
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This really disgusts me. Every year they seem to get further and further away from Walt's vision of being a theme park that everyone can enjoy.
I have to say that's incorrect...

Nothing Disney ever sold was for the po...

It was never meant to be "affordable"
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Old 01-19-2014, 04:38 PM   #38
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I don't like the class system when it comes to the parks. As it is there are differences in the resorts which is fine. You pay for where you are staying and get the benefits that come with the resort you choose.
While I can see Disney offering more fp+ to on site guests, I don't like it. Many people cannot stay on property for whatever reason-maybe off site timeshare or they rent a house. With the other parks in the area people may rethink Disney and opt for others.
I also think the towering is a step back to the ways of the ticket books. Seems like a step backwards.
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That is exactly the thought they're going for...

And why I'm adamantly opposed to it.
Staying home seems more fun. I won't be held hostage to what already costs the most pound for pound
IMO this was always the big plan for WDW, but b/c FP has always been free they couldn't really just change it and charge b/c people would go nuts. I said this yesterday on another thread, but this is Disney giving their guests a spoon full of sugar to help the medicine go down. They want to charge, but still give the free too so that people don't feel so cheated. It will make me spend less time and in the end less money at WDW, but I will still hit MK and maybe one other park while we are there. I will also be happy if they do add this feature to pay b/c it is much better than the alternative, which is the system in place now. I think they will suffer from these changes, but I don't think we will see if for many years. I think this is possibly one of the bigger mistakes they have made, but only time will tell if they can fix it or not. In the current state if I had to judge on what is being reported over the last couple of days, it is a hot mess.
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Old 01-19-2014, 06:54 PM   #40
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IF this becomes true I can see them saying the reason was to provide the opportunity for those that want it.

The concern all along from many is that on-site guests will get more than off-site and that Deluxe hotels will come with more than mod/values, etc.

I can totally hear it now that if/when this comes true they can follow it up with that if you don't like it then you still have the opportunity to "level the field".
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Um...... Well obviously, nobody is forced to buy them. But we used to get a lot of fast passes for free, and now we would have to pay for them. Simple as that. We don't personally think many Disney rides are worth an extra fee on top of an already outrageous admission price plus AN INCREDIBLY OUTRAGEOUS hotel price. The value just isn't in it for our family. The problem is that if they want to sell all of these for a fee FASTPASSES, then the amount left for "free" will either be reduced, or standby lines will be longer probably with the extra FASTPASSES sold. So that's how it affects everyone unless you buy in. Either way, we don't need to spend thousands of extra dollars to find out. We will have a great time in feb, and book a cruise to Bermuda next summer. No biggie!
first off there was a time when FP wasn't a thing and everyone survived. Also you can manage with three FP very well I have a family of five and we don't use more than that a day. You don't have to buy these extra FP+ it's only if you want more. I'm pretty sure disney has looked into statistics and seen the average persona and how many FPs they use in a day. I would imagine its around three. Thousands of people go to WDW and don't even use a single FP. And right now MK and AK are FP+ only and the standby lines have not been to bad they have been very very reasonable. Yes it is down time in WDW but even during busy times I don't think its going to be much different than what it has been in the past.
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I'm wondering the same thing. We stay Deluxe and feel there should be more perks for paying more $$$ for a deluxe resort....just not sure the FP+ "free" ticket allotment is the way to go about it. Can't say that this new system will effect our upcoming trip as we are not FP fanatics (2/day FP max) but I am like many of you who don't like seeing more dollar signs flashing at us for something that was "free" before, especially at the high costs of everything else. Obviously Disney has a method behind their madness and only time will tell if this new system will make or break the tried and true method... which I thought was working fine before, but what do I know. And I agree with Jetta8300... It's a choice to visit the Disney parks and to pay the high prices... a choice I've made eight times now, but if Disney decides to keep jacking up costs for not much in return, I too will be vacationing elsewhere. My choice and no hard feelings!
thats why rumors have been floating that disney may give people who stay at a deluxe more FP+ than those who stay off property, at a value or even at a moderate.
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An extra E-ticket in the 1970s cost $.90 that would be about $3.50 in today's prices. $14.95 would be about the typical Disney inflation path. WOW! $15.00 for a ride after paying $400.00 or more for tickets. BUT, if a credit card is attached to the MDE, and all someone would have to do is whip out their phone and push a button. People will do it. Not this person, but people will do it.
no doubt people will do it if disney does this they will make money on it
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Old 01-19-2014, 07:09 PM   #44
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When we went in September with crowd levels at 1-2, we used 4 fast pass between 9-12 at Magic Kingdom. We never waited 5 minutes with the legacy fast pass...although granted we only "pulled" 3 fast passes and were given a bonus fast pass that automatically spit out!

We then went back after naps, pool and dinner and pulled another 2-3. I have no problem with 3 at a time but it would be nice to have the option of 3 FP+ and then after used, another 3 in the afternoon/evening.
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first off there was a time when FP wasn't a thing and everyone survived.
Ok...you're and apologist...I get it. But still like ya

But I'm gonna have to take exception to this one.

Of course things used to be worse... It's called progress. That doesn't forgive the altering of the experience for what is widely accepted (near 100% by viewing these and other boards) as an ulterior motive.

This is the second time they've done this to us in recent years...and this is why I'm on the soapbox

Dining: same day/no reservations - priority seating (a definite improvement to customers...aka evolution) - the end of priority seating/dining plans...which resulted in massive menu cost Increases and now no show charges. That is a regression no matter how you slice it.

Rides: no priority/ only lines - fastpass (again...a definite improvement. Even with the small amount of complaints - nobody in their right mind would not have wanted fastpass) - my magic+...which now limits usage (it does even if you like the prebook...because it has a hard cap on usage), and possibly now fees to get on rides you have already paid for (some of us a hundred times over)...this could be indicative of regression as well.

You know...I railed against the dining plan (not here...another crotchety board) and was told I was nuts. But I think I hit the bullseye. People have lowered their standards and put up with more BS to get fed... While paying more. Exactly what I thought in 2005.
Hope I'm wrong here...or this place with an average $6000 a week charge (just a guess) is gonna feel like an Orwellian prison camp.
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