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Old 12-11-2013, 04:56 AM   #31
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Surprised the mods have kept this open since schools have no option to authorise any holiday requests...
Wow - That's massively incorrect!

Head teachers have 10 days that they can authorise for "exceptional" circumstances. It is down to the head teacher to determine what is considered "exceptional".

As I said my daughters head teacher has authorised us taking our daughter out for 8 days and has used her discretion due to the reasons behind this particular trip
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Old 12-11-2013, 05:21 AM   #32
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Sorry but you chose to be a teacher knowing what your holidays would be. It's your job, you get paid to be there. The parents of kids going to your school may not have options of when they take holidays and sorry but you have no say in weather they take holidays or not.
Sorry but you chose to have children and be a parent knowing what school holidays would be...
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Old 12-11-2013, 05:40 AM   #33
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I can see both sides to this debate.Teachers have chosen to be teachers and parents decided to be parents.We all knew what we were letting ourselves in for (well most of us!). The problem is parents do not like being told by politicians what they can and can't do with their own children.Every parent has a unique set of circumstances which are important to them and only they understand,and should be respected by teachers and Disers alike!,it can become very emotional. Most responsible parents would not take their children out of school if they thought it was going to be detrimental to their future.That decision has now been taken away, and parents see it as being dictated to.Teachers jobs are tough and it probably does make for extra work for them.
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Old 12-11-2013, 07:45 AM   #34
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The problem is parents do not like being told by politicians what they can and can't do with their own children.Every parent has a unique set of circumstances which are important to them and only they understand,and should be respected by teachers and Disers alike!,it can become very emotional. Most responsible parents would not take their children out of school if they thought it was going to be detrimental to their future.That decision has now been taken away, and parents see it as being dictated to.Teachers jobs are tough and it probably does make for extra work for them.
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Old 12-11-2013, 10:38 AM   #35
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Wow - That's massively incorrect!

Head teachers have 10 days that they can authorise for "exceptional" circumstances. It is down to the head teacher to determine what is considered "exceptional".
What I said was perfectly true - schools may not authorise time out of school for the purpose of a family holiday. All references to this has been removed from the regulations - it is therefore not possible for schools to authorise "holiday" requests. The only leave that can be authorised is under exceptional circumstances.

I really need to wade out of this one because it is becoming fraught with emotion for many parents. Unless the law changes back, I think the next year or two will be interesting if families continue to travel during term time.
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Old 12-11-2013, 11:19 AM   #36
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It’s obvious most parents entrust the education of our children to the schools and the teachers , want the best for them and obviously are keen for them to get the best results possible.

What I don't get though is that by removing Children from school during term time for a family vacation (and TBH I'm talking about people who take them out for more than a week) Parents are basically dismissing the classroom standards and structure and indicating that they know better than the teachers what is right for their child’s education.

I realise that there are sometimes emergencies and exceptional circumstances etc but anything more than a week during school for a regular family holiday is excessive and hampers the teachers ability to do their job.
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Sorry but you chose to have children and be a parent knowing what school holidays would be...
Sorry but I had children so I could raise them. Not be dictated to on how to raise them. They are not paid to be at school and I am fully capable of helping them catch up. And many schools have different holidays so no when you have kids you don't know the exact holidays and don't really care actually. To put teachers and students on equal ground is ridiculous. We take our kids out when we get holidays if it happens to be when schools out great if not too bad.
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:17 PM   #38
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Sorry but you chose to have children and be a parent knowing what school holidays would be...
What about home schooled children? Or private schools? Not everyone wants to stick to the same timetable, you know...
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Sorry but you chose to have children and be a parent knowing what school holidays would be...
The problem with that kind of thinking is that the rules have changed over the years. Holidays were sort of okay, then limited to 10 days max, then only for "exceptional circumstances." When I had my eldest 8 years ago I couldn't have predicted that we'd be denied (today!) our request to take our kids out of school for 5 days to spend Christmas in Australia with family. I made a request to take my kids out of school in November of 2012 for 4 days, which was approved no problem.

So sure, you could plan to never take them out of school but the rules have changed and will likely keep changing. You can't go into parenthood thinking "I can only take XX days off at XX time of year" because the government/council will likely change their minds by the time the kid gets to school!
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At the end of the day parents have a legal obligation to ensure their children are educated whether they like it or not. If they choose to send them to a state school then they have to abide by the rules laid down by government in relation to attendance.

Whether you agree with this or not it is fact.

Please let keep this to the point asked and not turn it into a personal debate.
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I just think its a shame that it will families who cant afford to go away in school holidays will either miss out or be labeled as bad parents for taking their children out of school. I am incredibly lucky to be able to go in summer school holidays but I have friends who would struggle to afford a week in England a caravan in August. Even those prices are 3 times more expensive than say the second week of June. I also think that there are so many people that work hard all year and then to be told you can't have a holiday at the only time you can afford. Do people really think they should just go without? I had to take my son out for one day in October as we went to Italy in half term. It was a genuine mistake on my part as I thought the last day of term was an inset day. The head of year called me to say they couldn't authorise holiday but thought that it was fantastic that my son had the opportunity to visit Pompeii, Naples and mount Vesuvius. He said all that would happen would be at the end of year the governors would look at all the unauthorised days off and would then ask each head of year about the child involved. From that conversation they would decide if any action would be taken but by action he meant a letter might be sent reminding parents of the policy. I never planned to ask for holiday in secondary school and I won't in the future. I will just have to check the school calendar more carefully next time!!
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I'm probably going to get flamed here, but my cousin is coming out of school for a week and she's going to miss her year six sats. It's not an option to re-schedule the holiday, so she just won't do them. I feel really guilty about it, but she deserves to go to Florida, and she will probably learn whilst over there anyway.
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I am a parent and I teach in a secondary school. I believe that parents should be able to take up to 10 days during term-time in any academic year and I think that the new measures introduced to curb term-time holidays are punitive and pointless. 10 days absence is hardly likely to ruin a child's life chances!
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I'm probably going to get flamed here, but my cousin is coming out of school for a week and she's going to miss her year six sats. It's not an option to re-schedule the holiday, so she just won't do them. I feel really guilty about it, but she deserves to go to Florida, and she will probably learn whilst over there anyway.
You may get flamed but not by me,
There are a lot of schools now that don't even sit the year 6 sats!! So they can't be that important, yes they help understand where a child is at, but I personally believe they are pointless and stressful for the child! While only there to make the school look good.
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