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Old 12-08-2013, 08:12 AM   #16
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Why do people get so twisted when someone comes here and complains?

For me, I'm the kind of person who only focuses on WDW when I'm planning my trip. I'm not a 365-day a year kind of fan. That being said, it is my absolute favorite place to vacation. That's why we've been 5 or 6 times with my family and why my husband and I are spending our 25th wedding anniversary there in February.

I've NEVER had any serious complaints about my past trips. All I do is go on and on to people about what a wonderful place it is. I am, however, very concerned about my upcoming trip in February. And it doesn't have to do with what people are saying here. It has to do with the info I'm getting right on the WDW site. I just don't like some of their new policies and I don't think they're going to work that well for us. And there definitely does seem to be more complaining and negativism in general than in the past. There have been changes that I don't think I'm going to be crazy about, and it seems that others are not crazy about them either.

You are correct about people complaining more than praising. I think that's human nature. It's the reason that when my kids were young, I would always be sure to send an email or a note to tell their teachers and administrators if I thought they (the teachers) were doing a great job. Why I've contacted other parents to tell them if I saw their child do something extra nice or kind. I personally try to praise more than I complain. Actually, I've never contacted a school to complain about a teacher - even though they haven't all been so great. I'm a big believer in teaching my kids to get used to the fact that you need to adjust and get along in life. My point is, I'm not a whiner or a complainer!

But this is sort of the place to do complaining, isn't it? It's a public forum for people to gather information. I promise that after my trip in February, I'm coming back here to let you all know what I really thought - good and/or bad. If I'm wrong about FP+ I will be the first to admit it. Actually, nothing would make me happier.

I don't think people should be criticized for giving their honest opinion.
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Old 12-08-2013, 08:21 AM   #17
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I probably should have used the word "discounted" rather than "criticized" in my last sentence above.
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Old 12-08-2013, 08:26 AM   #18
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I can't even read your post with no paragraphs or sentence breaks.
Yeah, that was tough. Thanks to DebbieB for sectioning it off in her post; too bad I didn't know she did until I struggled through the original. Whew!
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Old 12-08-2013, 08:33 AM   #19
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Final note….. I didn't create the standard/expectations for disney…. disney itself advertises it exceptional experience and high standards. I can let issues/problems go….no trip is perfect and i wouldn't want to ruin my own vacation by being unhappy. however this trip we had multiple issues (many of which I did not write about). I don't blame the cm's for being unhappy…I often saw guest treating them awful. i myself work with the public and know how it can be, but i don't take my frustrations out on everyone around me. overall i feel something is obviously going on with the company to have so many employees seem miserable. (again, i did encounter some very helpful/kind/amazing cm's, but the majority did not fit this description) Something just seemed very off for disney world on this trip. I'm sure we will be back at some point. right now, i just don't have a desire to go. Im looking at maybe doing a disney cruise (because I've heard so many wonderful things about them and it seems a little more relaxed, which is probably better for my family at this point) thanks for all of your comments! (oh and we did use the magic bands and fast pass plus, i thought both were really nice)
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Old 12-08-2013, 09:05 AM   #20
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WDW really has changed, grown too big too fast, in my opinion. CM's and guests are not happy as they were years ago. Guests from our experience are now very rude. Example, parents not requiring their children to behave at the resort or restaurants. But then again, it's everywhere, not just at WDW.

We now see children having meltdowns at resorts, (kicking the walls, screaming, going to other diners tables and touching diners food, going to empty tables and taking the tops off salt/pepper shakers -- meanwhile the parents ignore or yell at the CM)

I will say we vacation in Bermuda and Aruba a lot recently, and never see this type of behavior.

Really sad that the "happiest place on Earth", has changed from what I experienced as a child.
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Old 12-08-2013, 09:08 AM   #21
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Chalk this one up to people complain about an experience 10 times more often than they praise one.
What does your post even mean?
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Old 12-08-2013, 09:19 AM   #22
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Chalk this one up to people complain about an experience 10 times more often than they praise one.
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What does your post even mean?
Or - why is it so mean?
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Old 12-08-2013, 09:27 AM   #23
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When I checked in at Kidani in October on DVC points, The trash bin was overflowing from the previous guest. When I called the front desk to let them know, they didn't believe me and wanted to charge me an extra towel and trash service. I had only been there a few hours. I was irritated. We spent a lot of time at the front desk for a variety of reasons and the cms were not trained well for the next generation changes.

I have to have seen a trend in the last few years toward more frazzled CMs. I just assumed Disney has made budget cuts and there are less CMs. But I don't know. They are definitely not as well trained.
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Old 12-08-2013, 10:23 AM   #24
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I've been to disney 5 times over my lifetime.. 3 in the past 4 years. It seems every trip just keeps going downhill. This was our first time staying at a disney resort. I did think our resort was beautiful (we stayed at a deluxe resort), but had some major hiccups. IT was very busy when we checked in… While I was waiting in my checkin line, i was passed up twice by other families who were checked in before me… but behind me in line. Not sure if the person with the iPad didn't realize i was not in the party, but still it was a bit aggravating. The person who checked me in was very nice, but seemed clueless about what she was doing. we kept having to wait for someone to come and help her. I don't blame her, she was doing her best, but if she was in training or something, why didn't they have someone training her? When we got to our room it was very nice, not exactly what I had requested, but I realize disney can't make all of our request happen if any. either way i was really happy with our room. My parents were in a room next to us. When my mom opened her bedside drawer for the first time, she found a dirty (poopy) diaper in the drawer. We did bring it to the attention to a housekeeper who took care of it… but obviously the room was not cleaned very well. While I was waiting in my checkin line, i was passed up twice by other families who were checked in before me… but behind me in line. Not sure if the person with the iPad didn't realize i was not in the party, but still it was a bit aggravating. Our first full day at the parks we had an early morning breakfast. We were told that the boats would be running by a certain time and we could take it to magic kingdom. While I was waiting in my checkin line, i was passed up twice by other families who were checked in before me… but behind me in line. Not sure if the person with the iPad didn't realize i was not in the party, but still it was a bit aggravating. So we chose to take a boat. However no boat ever came. Luckily the person driving the resort boat noticed us still waiting on her second time around… and this and must have felt bad for us. she took us over to the contemporary so we could walk over to entrance of magic kingdom. I was very grateful for her… she said she didn't know what was going on with the other boat. I don't blame her, she was doing her best, but if she was in training or something, why didn't they have someone training her? When we got to our room it was very nice, not exactly what I had requested, but I realize disney can't make all of our request happen if any. either way i was really happy with our room. Overall i was really surprised with how many cast members seemed unhappy. They did not have the typical "disney spirit" I cannot say that for everyone… we did encounter cast members who were wonderful. I don't want it to seem like everyone was unhappy and miserable… but we did have quite a few run ins with people who obviously did not want to be there. I know everyone has a bad day… but this was a lot of people. I have always preferred disney parks over other orlando parks, because of the people who work on disney property. I didn't get the same feeling this time. Numerous times when we were at restaurants… our waitresses didn't even come back and fill up our water glass?? We were basically ignored for most of our meal. Pretty sure my dad even got food poisoning from one of the restaurants we ate at…. it was bad and he spent an entire day in his hotel room very sick.. I purchased photo pass plus for the 3rd time.. probably won't again. I know everyone has a bad day… but this was a lot of people. I have always preferred disney parks over other orlando parks, because of the people who work on disney property. I took much better pictures than the photo pass people. a lot of them are horrible! They are pictures taken from the side and not even centered. I don't know how they are training the photo pass people… but they are not photographers. I have always preferred disney parks over other orlando parks, because of the people who work on disney property. I didn't get the same feeling this time. Numerous times when we were at restaurants… our waitresses didn't even come back and fill up our water glass?? We were basically ignored for most of our meal.Ive normally had really good photos with photo pass… but this time was totally different. Probably was upset me the most was our disney magical express. the day before check out i received a notice for our magical express pick up time and instructions. everything was set and appeared normal. the morning of check out i received another lettering stating that due to system requirements disney would not be checking us into the airport and i would need to transport all of our luggage on the magic express bus with us. normally i probably wouldn't be too upset by this… but i am pregnant in my third trimester and traveling with a two and four year old and my husband. (we have five large bags including the carseats which were were checking)… We had a lot of luggage including two giant carseats. I was seriously very happy about not having to take the luggage around with us… so finding out that we would be bring our luggage with us was disappointing. I was also told their would be a curbside check in right when we got off the magical express.. which wasn't true because the curbside check in is on the third floor of the airport, by the normal checkin. i tired to figure out why this happened and see if they anything could be changed given our situation… and i got a different story every time… basically told they couldn't do anything… the magical express driver told me.. sometime disney just simply doesn't have room to transport everyones luggage so the just have to say no to some people. Im not sure what the true reason was, but the fact that disney made no effort to help us with this situation was very disappointing. I just expect more. if you are actually reading this, please know I'm not a person to complain all the time. i tired to figure out why this happened and see if they anything could be changed given our situation… and i got a different story every time… basically told they couldn't do anything… the magical express driver told me.. Im just very upset by our last trip. I love disney. I love taking my kids to disney. the look on their faces when they go on their favorite rides or meet their fav. characters is priceless. And not everything about our trip was horrible…. i was just really disappointed. about a lot of things. I feel like every year we go… disney is just downgraded a little more. We had a lot of luggage including two giant carseats. I was seriously very happy about not having to take the luggage around with us… so finding out that we would be bring our luggage with us was disappointing. I was also told their would be a curbside check in right when we got off the magical express.. which wasn't true because the curbside check in is on the third floor of the airport, by the normal checkin. Its such a machine and so scheduled and i see the people working their more and more unhappy. Watching the disney promo video on the way to the airport, which is all about the exceptional disney service and experience… all i was thinking about was how this was the first time i was every happy to leave a place that was sunny and 84 outside to go to back home to 19 degree cold weather.
I'm so sorry that your trip this time wasn't so magical. I hope on your next visit will be more a pleasant memory to cherish. One thing that steers me from going back is more so of the cost. It's getting way to expensive for my taste and going to the parks can be a nightmare! I might even stay off site just so I can save money to buy our park tickets.
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Old 12-08-2013, 10:26 AM   #25
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To the OP sorry about the cruddy things that happened on your trip.

On our last trip I definitely noticed grouchy CMs, including at the front desk. Honestly, they look totally burnt out on trying to problem solve all of this MB stuff.

Housekeeping varies widely IME from resort to resort, both on quality and courtesy.

I dont think Disney is worse than most companies in terms of customer service, but they arent any better anymore. The only CMs who were consistently super nice were the waiters/waitresses.
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Old 12-08-2013, 10:29 AM   #26
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Final note….. I didn't create the standard/expectations for disney…. disney itself advertises it exceptional experience and high standards. I can let issues/problems go….no trip is perfect and i wouldn't want to ruin my own vacation by being unhappy. however this trip we had multiple issues (many of which I did not write about). I don't blame the cm's for being unhappy…I often saw guest treating them awful. i myself work with the public and know how it can be, but i don't take my frustrations out on everyone around me. overall i feel something is obviously going on with the company to have so many employees seem miserable. (again, i did encounter some very helpful/kind/amazing cm's, but the majority did not fit this description) Something just seemed very off for disney world on this trip. I'm sure we will be back at some point. right now, i just don't have a desire to go. Im looking at maybe doing a disney cruise (because I've heard so many wonderful things about them and it seems a little more relaxed, which is probably better for my family at this point) thanks for all of your comments! (oh and we did use the magic bands and fast pass plus, i thought both were really nice)
I think your posts have sounded very reasonable and I appreciate reading your feedback. Thanks.
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Old 12-08-2013, 10:32 AM   #27
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Wow.....I don't know what bothers me more about this thread--the OP's issues, or the snarky, rude comments by other posters on grammar and content (expressing any displeasure with a less than wonderful visit).

Having gone to do Disney 30+times over the last 20 years, it has become noticeable that the cost of visits has gone way up and the uniqueness/quality of the experience has degraded. And even adjusting one's expectations will not always make one feel better about the issues that come up. And that assumes that one MUST adjust their expectations when they are seasoned Disney travelers who are already familiar with the product offered.

Anyway, sorry to the OP that your visit didn't work out. Hope your next vacation--wherever it is--is better.
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Old 12-08-2013, 10:37 AM   #28
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In August we stayed at DDT Hilton with a car, with an annual pass (so parking was free) enjoyed it as much as staying on site. I did not miss the busses at all. Still got to ride the boats. Service at the Hilton was excellent. I felt like I should be on site but just cannot deal with the confusion of the check in at the resorts and the mixed information from the CM's any more. I really do hope they get this sorted out for the company quickly. I think they are getting too big, should scale back some, lighten up on the advertising a little and focus more on guest experience.
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Old 12-08-2013, 11:04 AM   #29
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This was our first time staying at a disney resort. I did think our resort was beautiful (we stayed at a deluxe resort), but had some major hiccups.
It's worth pointing out that "Deluxe" doesn't really mean the same thing at WDW that it means almost anywhere else. The Disney "deluxe" resorts are perhaps a bit below the quality and service level of an upper-end business-class hotel. For example, I'd put them a bit below the Westin line, but possibly comparable to the average Marriott. Perfectly serviceable, generally competent, but nothing special.
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Old 12-08-2013, 12:42 PM   #30
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Wow.....I don't know what bothers me more about this thread--the OP's issues, or the snarky, rude comments by other posters on grammar and content (expressing any displeasure with a less than wonderful visit).

Having gone to do Disney 30+times over the last 20 years, it has become noticeable that the cost of visits has gone way up and the uniqueness/quality of the experience has degraded. And even adjusting one's expectations will not always make one feel better about the issues that come up. And that assumes that one MUST adjust their expectations when they are seasoned Disney travelers who are already familiar with the product offered.

Anyway, sorry to the OP that your visit didn't work out. Hope your next vacation--wherever it is--is better.
Most people have been sympathetic.

It just makes the post harder to read when it's a solid wall of text. If DebbieB hadn't broken it up into paragraphs, I wouldn't have read the post. The OP had some good info in there, so it's a shame if people have a hard time reading it.

At least it wasn't full of text speak though.
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