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Old 11-12-2013, 07:24 PM   #316
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Ever changing is right. I get that Disney has to "test", what I don't get is that people who are staying in Pop in TWO days, just had their FP- privileges pulled from them with no notice. You shouldn't have to search websites to find out what's happening on your vacation in TWO days. That's NOT good customer service.
Where did you see that? I do wish that Disney would let people know what's up ahead of time!

ETA: NM, I think that I just saw the thread. That is weird.
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Old 11-12-2013, 08:19 PM   #317
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Yeah, our family wouldn't be worried much if we were able to spend 12 days at Disney.
And there's another upside for Disney - if we can't get as much done per day, we'll all have to stay longer and spend more. There are, conservatively, seven super-headliners that are rather unpleasant to ride standby outside of very low crowd times of day and year - just enough to fill a whole week's vacation. Can't you just see the marketing now? "More magic, less waiting! "
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Old 11-12-2013, 08:20 PM   #318
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Really, the only place it is all mucked up is on these Dis Boards. Look at the positive comments too. Most are having no problem with anything. I know we did not have any problems on 2 separate vacations in which we participated in the tests. Reserved 3 rides in 1 park and everyone in our party waited no more than 5 minutes in the FP lanes. Used the paper FP passes for the rest. No problems. Don't worry. Most on this particular thread are a bunch of naysayers who apparently are not interested in Disney trying to solve wait time/ crowding issues. Fear Mongers!!
Shocker-- you used traditional FP and FPP on top of each other before the system had very many users, and you had no problems! Well, duh. If the FPP system was merely a bonus add-on for onsite guests to the traditional FP system, which is how you used it, you wouldn't have so much hand wringing on here. What folks (fear mongers to you) are concerned about is the fact that Disney is now explicitly saying that the FP system is closed to FPP guests, while FPP guests are limited to one headliner at Epcot, and far more limited availability for FPP scheduling at the other parks than was experienced when pulling traditional FPs. Saying "the system is great! I used it in a way that is no longer possible and I had no problems! You people are fear mongers!" helps no one.
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Old 11-12-2013, 08:22 PM   #319
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Shocker-- you used traditional FP and FPP on top of each other before the system had very many users, and you had no problems! Well, duh. If the FPP system was merely a bonus add-on for onsite guests to the traditional FP system, which is how you used it, you wouldn't have so much hand wringing on here. What folks (fear mongers to you) are concerned about is the fact that Disney is now explicitly saying that the FP system is closed to FPP guests, while FPP guests are limited to one headliner at Epcot, and far more limited availability for FPP scheduling at the other parks than was experienced when pulling traditional FPs. Saying "the system is great! I used it in a way that is no longer possible and I had no problems! You people are fear mongers!" helps no one.
Not to mention that there could be even more ride rationing (love that term!) to come as Disney continues to roll everything out. I hope not but you never know.
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Old 11-12-2013, 08:28 PM   #320
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Not to mention that there could be even more ride rationing (love that term!) to come as Disney continues to roll everything out. I hope not but you never know.
Yep. They havent even added APs yet (other than with resort stays)...
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Old 11-12-2013, 08:30 PM   #321
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Ever changing is right. I get that Disney has to "test", what I don't get is that people who are staying in Pop in TWO days, just had their FP- privileges pulled from them with no notice. You shouldn't have to search websites to find out what's happening on your vacation in TWO days. That's NOT good customer service.
Guaranteed only a handful of people are even aware of what's going on at Disney. And they're on this website. LOL Compared to the amount of guests they will process that week, I bet less than 1% will actually complain about this new change to Pop.
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:50 AM   #322
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Shocker-- you used traditional FP and FPP on top of each other before the system had very many users, and you had no problems! Well, duh. If the FPP system was merely a bonus add-on for onsite guests to the traditional FP system, which is how you used it, you wouldn't have so much hand wringing on here. What folks (fear mongers to you) are concerned about is the fact that Disney is now explicitly saying that the FP system is closed to FPP guests, while FPP guests are limited to one headliner at Epcot, and far more limited availability for FPP scheduling at the other parks than was experienced when pulling traditional FPs. Saying "the system is great! I used it in a way that is no longer possible and I had no problems! You people are fear mongers!" helps no one.
They certainly are not forcing anyone to use FP+ . If you dont want to use it, then stand in lines. That's your choice. Disney cannot help that they are an immensely popular vacation destination, though they have worked very hard to be so. It's their business entirely if they want to provide a bonus for on-site resort guests. It's their company, they can do as they choose. If it no longer fits in to your parameters of comfort, than simply don't go. As PlanoGirl posts,, it's really not that complicated. Have a nice day.
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:53 AM   #323
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Not to mention that there could be even more ride rationing (love that term!) to come as Disney continues to roll everything out. I hope not but you never know.
I think a lot of us have been expecting that for a long time. It's the only way the math actually works out.
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Old 11-13-2013, 09:38 AM   #324
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So not only are people complaining nonstop about this but they are cancelling family vacations too?! - Crazy. FastPass, to me, is an added bonus- not a right. People need to be happy FP even exists instead of being so bitter.
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So not only are people complaining nonstop about this but they are cancelling family vacations too?! - Crazy. FastPass, to me, is an added bonus- not a right. People need to be happy FP even exists instead of being so bitter.

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Old 11-13-2013, 10:02 AM   #326
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So not only are people complaining nonstop about this but they are cancelling family vacations too?! - Crazy. FastPass, to me, is an added bonus- not a right. People need to be happy FP even exists instead of being so bitter.
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:25 AM   #327
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So not only are people complaining nonstop about this but they are cancelling family vacations too?! - Crazy. FastPass, to me, is an added bonus- not a right. People need to be happy FP even exists instead of being so bitter.
I guess. I kind of have mixed feelings about the whole thing, but I will try to sum up succinctly.

Disney has oversold their parks. If you have to stand in line 2 hours for most activities, the park is oversold and there are too many people inside (regardless of the fire marshal's opinion). Disney has exacerbated this by adding very little new content, watching as their attendance goes up. Most of the development money has gone into building lodging, not adding activity for those overnight guests to partake in.

We've been going for 20 years. There was a time when a Disney trip was relaxing and fun. As the crowds rose, we had to adjust our trips significantly. So from the latter '90s, when we could wander into Epcot at 10am, walk up to a kiosk and book a lunch reservation anywhere we wanted to go, and do everything in any of the parks by mid/late afternoon... to what it is now, where if I don't engage in heavy duty planning at the 6 month mark, we are going to be eating burgers and fries the whole trip. Disney is no longer relaxing. It can still be fun, but it is an extremely scripted experience at this point, because the parks are oversold and overcrowded.

If you have to tell people who paid your high ticket prices that they're going to spend the day waiting in line for all but 3 attractions, that's bad. If you further have to tell people that in Epcot, the attractions are tiered and guess what, for those 3 special rides you can only pick 1 good one and 2 not so good ones... that's even worse.

They really need to stop building DVC resorts and start building magic again. Maybe in 10 years the park landscape at WDW will be better- with Cars Land, Star Wars Land, and Avatar Land (if any of those actually come to pass, a lot of stuff never does). But right now, it is flat out oversold and the Fast Past Plus system is just a bit of a shell game.
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Excellent post, XIE!
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:28 AM   #329
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I guess. I kind of have mixed feelings about the whole thing, but I will try to sum up succinctly.

Disney has oversold their parks. If you have to stand in line 2 hours for most activities, the park is oversold and there are too many people inside (regardless of the fire marshal's opinion). Disney has exacerbated this by adding very little new content, watching as their attendance goes up. Most of the development money has gone into building lodging, not adding activity for those overnight guests to partake in.

We've been going for 20 years. There was a time when a Disney trip was relaxing and fun. As the crowds rose, we had to adjust our trips significantly. So from the latter '90s, when we could wander into Epcot at 10am, walk up to a kiosk and book a lunch reservation anywhere we wanted to go, and do everything in any of the parks by mid/late afternoon... to what it is now, where if I don't engage in heavy duty planning at the 6 month mark, we are going to be eating burgers and fries the whole trip. Disney is no longer relaxing. It can still be fun, but it is an extremely scripted experience at this point, because the parks are oversold and overcrowded.

If you have to tell people who paid your high ticket prices that they're going to spend the day waiting in line for all but 3 attractions, that's bad. If you further have to tell people that in Epcot, the attractions are tiered and guess what, for those 3 special rides you can only pick 1 good one and 2 not so good ones... that's even worse.

They really need to stop building DVC resorts and start building magic again. Maybe in 10 years the park landscape at WDW will be better- with Cars Land, Star Wars Land, and Avatar Land (if any of those actually come to pass, a lot of stuff never does). But right now, it is flat out oversold and the Fast Past Plus system is just a bit of a shell game.
You have hit the proverbial nail on the head. Great Post
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:29 AM   #330
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I guess. I kind of have mixed feelings about the whole thing, but I will try to sum up succinctly.

Disney has oversold their parks. If you have to stand in line 2 hours for most activities, the park is oversold and there are too many people inside (regardless of the fire marshal's opinion). Disney has exacerbated this by adding very little new content, watching as their attendance goes up. Most of the development money has gone into building lodging, not adding activity for those overnight guests to partake in.

We've been going for 20 years. There was a time when a Disney trip was relaxing and fun. As the crowds rose, we had to adjust our trips significantly. So from the latter '90s, when we could wander into Epcot at 10am, walk up to a kiosk and book a lunch reservation anywhere we wanted to go, and do everything in any of the parks by mid/late afternoon... to what it is now, where if I don't engage in heavy duty planning at the 6 month mark, we are going to be eating burgers and fries the whole trip. Disney is no longer relaxing. It can still be fun, but it is an extremely scripted experience at this point, because the parks are oversold and overcrowded.

If you have to tell people who paid your high ticket prices that they're going to spend the day waiting in line for all but 3 attractions, that's bad. If you further have to tell people that in Epcot, the attractions are tiered and guess what, for those 3 special rides you can only pick 1 good one and 2 not so good ones... that's even worse.

They really need to stop building DVC resorts and start building magic again. Maybe in 10 years the park landscape at WDW will be better- with Cars Land, Star Wars Land, and Avatar Land (if any of those actually come to pass, a lot of stuff never does). But right now, it is flat out oversold and the Fast Past Plus system is just a bit of a shell game.
I agree wholeheartedly particularly when you say that Disney has been building hotel rooms instead of attractions. A park can only handle so much traffic and as crowds build simple logic says that lines will do the same.

This is ironic considering how hard Disney is pushing to fill all of those hotel rooms.
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