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Old 11-02-2013, 01:04 PM   #76
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You're might be paying more for your hotel, but you're paying the same admission price to enter the park. Why should you get special treatment?
Because that $120 hotel room you're paying over $500 a night for will be harder to fill without some FP+ tiered bling to go along with it.
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Old 11-02-2013, 01:11 PM   #77
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For the amount Disney charges for some of the Deluxe hotels, the rooms DO NOT live up to the price. More like $300 a night rooms not $500+. Look at Universal spend the bucks on a "Deluxe" on-site hotel and unlimited fast passes. Either way its not up to me, but I do see it happing at some point. This plus other ways to use the band and FP+ to make money is not going to be ignored by Disney.

On a side note I would pay more for park admission if it meant lower wait times. Its all personal choice and preference.
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Old 11-02-2013, 01:35 PM   #78
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I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but FP+ feels a lot like the Disneyland tickets of long ago. Limited e-tickets. I'm ok with FP+, but the tiered availability is a big step backwards.
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Old 11-02-2013, 01:47 PM   #79
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e ticket ride

I totally forgot about those tiered ride tickets until this thread. Its almost like disney is going retro.
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Old 11-02-2013, 02:08 PM   #80
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Over the past five years, Disney has been dramatically increasing ticket prices without significant additions. A pure money grab. Your extra ticket costs beyond the rate of inflation get you . . . nothing but a colorful band.

To me FP+ will become a victim of Disney's unwillingness to invest in their own parks. Too few attractions that people want to ride resulting in scarce FP availability.

Personally I don't see how Disney can't impose tiered choice at Epcot and DHS because of the lack of quality attractions. The result will be reduced guest satisfaction. How will Disney respond? Higher ticket prices? Close more attractions? Fewer parades?

Meanwhile, down the road, Universal has learned that new attractions drive increased attendance -- very dramatic increases. For the just reported third quarter Universal's income flow totaled $343 million for the quarter. In 2009, the income for the whole year was $400 million

I'm not a Universal fan; however, the new management there could teach Mr. Iger a few things about theme parks. Bob Iger may be able to squeeze profits from a turnip, but DisneyParks has lost it's soul in the process and in the end that may be their undoing.
Very interesting post.

I can't say I'm amused about what's happening per se, but I will say that I am very happy we booked offsite for this trip. At first I was a little bummed, but now I'm relieved. This trip is costing us very little beyond the ticket price. If I'm going to stay onsite, I'll wait until I get more (and better) feedback about the new technologies. Until then, we'll save our major travel dollars for other trips and enjoy this budget trip for what it is.
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Old 11-02-2013, 02:12 PM   #81
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I am not amused at all by the FP+ commotion. I cannot weigh in really, because I have not been part of the testing groups, but I can tell you that if i had a trip planned in the near future, I would be a little nervous. My family goes between the Deluxe and moderate resorts, always goes when there are "specials" and tries to organize a general plan.:I am a pretty patient person and do not mind waiting in lines, but some of the reports I have read here are , and that is not my idea of a fun trip.

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Looks like Disney is testing the tiered functionality. I absolutely think the number of e ticket FP+s will ultimately be tied to resort level at some point.

I am fine with this because I still firmly believe Disney is doing the right thing by upgrading the technology. I don't always stay deluxe and I am not a Disney apologist but I will adapt to the system or stay home.
I am not sure the FP+ will be tied to resort level, but I do think it is going to be tied to onsite resorts. I think that if indeed the resort level is included, it will be way down the road.

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Over the past five years, Disney has been dramatically increasing ticket prices without significant additions. A pure money grab. Your extra ticket costs beyond the rate of inflation get you . . . nothing but a colorful band.

To me FP+ will become a victim of Disney's unwillingness to invest in their own parks. Too few attractions that people want to ride resulting in scarce FP availability.

Personally I don't see how Disney can't impose tiered choice at Epcot and DHS because of the lack of quality attractions. The result will be reduced guest satisfaction. How will Disney respond? Higher ticket prices? Close more attractions? Fewer parades?
I think that attractions are what you make of them. Would you want a FP into a show so you did not need to line up an hour early? Or how about a character meet for one of your children?

As to Disney investment into their parks? Well......again, it is all a matter of perspective. If you are not interested int eh new FLE, it means nothing, but I tend to think there has been a very substantial investment. The prices are rising, but I think that everything is going up, so I would expect theme parks to raise prices as well.
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Old 11-02-2013, 02:15 PM   #82
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I was away from the boards for a couple of days and logged on this morning. It has certainly been interesting reading all the pages devoted to this new change. I am very interested in how the changes are being implemented and the resulting reactions. I expect MM+ and FP+ to be armed and fully operational by my visit in just under a year. It seems my touring strategy changes every month as something new comes to light.

FP+ advance reservations
FP+ limited to three
FP+ limited to one park per day
Reduced availability of legacy FP
CC guarantee for all table service restaurants
1 Top tier FP+ reservation at Epcot out of the allotted 3

Fortunately, I don't have to actually use MDE until my 180+10 window for ADRs and will not download the app to my phone. Still waiting (and reading about) for the bugs to be worked out of that nightmare.

Carry on all of you experienced posters. Your information is invaluable to me.

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Old 11-02-2013, 02:21 PM   #83
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Because that $120 hotel room you're paying over $500 a night for will be harder to fill without some FP+ tiered bling to go along with it.
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For the amount Disney charges for some of the Deluxe hotels, the rooms DO NOT live up to the price. More like $300 a night rooms not $500+. Look at Universal spend the bucks on a "Deluxe" on-site hotel and unlimited fast passes. Either way its not up to me, but I do see it happing at some point. This plus other ways to use the band and FP+ to make money is not going to be ignored by Disney.

On a side note I would pay more for park admission if it meant lower wait times. Its all personal choice and preference.
I didn't think Disney was having any problems filling these deluxe rooms. If the rooms aren't worth the money, why do people continue to stay in them?
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Old 11-02-2013, 02:29 PM   #84
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I didn't think Disney was having any problems filling these deluxe rooms. If the rooms aren't worth the money, why do people continue to stay in them?
The occupancy of DVC rooms nearly always 95+%. That helps to otherwise pad abysmal deluxe occupancy rates. AKL never kept enough rooms filled. The Villas there, with funds coming from contract purchases and owner's dues, are very significant in keeping that property open.

The values are probably nearly always at a higher percentage of occupancy. Probably POR, POFQ & CSR as well. But I doubt the occupancy rates of the rest of the resorts is anything spectacular. Otherwise, we wouldn't be seeing something like FD or SPD promotions.

They will overbook some of these promotions at Value properties & then walk guests up. The more expensive resort gets an additional room filled. Disney is still getting *some* money for the room. The guest leaves with the idea that "Disney is amazing!" & they come back.

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Old 11-02-2013, 03:01 PM   #85
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Nah - not entertained at all. Disappointed there isn't any real information sharing.
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First World Problems or not, people certainly have the right to be doubtful and worried about their trips. Only they can decide if the new system will work for them and personally I'm undecided at this time. I will continue to ask questions and discuss and whatever else until I feel like I know something. I'll try to stay positive but I won't hesitate to voice any doubts (or praise).

I'm sorry if this bothers anyone. (Not)
The amount of money and effort that my family puts into these Florida trips makes it very important to me to know what I am getting into. I'm not going to apologize for being disappointed so much is changing, or worried that it doesn't represent a good vacation destination for my family any longer.
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I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but FP+ feels a lot like the Disneyland tickets of long ago. Limited e-tickets. I'm ok with FP+, but the tiered availability is a big step backwards.
I've been thinking the same thing. For me, the vast majority of my Disney visits happened after the "E-ticket" system went away, but before the invention of Fastpasses.

There were no special tickets, and nobody got to wait in their own special line. Everybody waited in the standby line all day, every day.

Funny, I guess we (and hundreds of millions of other people) thought we enjoyed it back then. We thought going to Disney was a magical experience filled with fun and wonder, even if we had to wait in lines. I guess we were wrong...
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I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but FP+ feels a lot like the Disneyland tickets of long ago. Limited e-tickets. I'm ok with FP+, but the tiered availability is a big step backwards.
The e-ticket approach did not come accompanied by all-access pricing though.
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:21 PM   #89
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I really hope they tier it for resort levels. If I am spending $500+ a night for a hotel room I want some perks beyond what the person spending $120 a night is getting.
Gotta say I agree with this. Call me a Disney snob, elitist or whatever, but if I'm plunking down $600-$700/night to get a Boardwalk view concierge room, I see nothing wrong with this. It's just another perk. If you wanna save some cash and stay at All Stars or Pop Century, so be it.

We stayed at Portofino Bay in Universal and loved having the front of the line access to all of the rides (except HP) and, I gotta admit, I didn't feel guilty at all walking past everyone else and hopping on the rides.

What's wrong with giving a bit extra to those who spend more? I save $100 on APs every year since I'm a DVC member and I feel like that is a well deserved perk. They've gotten a lot of my cash over the years (a lot of it upfront) and will continue to get more in the upcoming years. Perk away, I say...

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I've been thinking the same thing. For me, the vast majority of my Disney visits happened after the "E-ticket" system went away, but before the invention of Fastpasses.

There were no special tickets, and nobody got to wait in their own special line. Everybody waited in the standby line all day, every day.

Funny, I guess we (and hundreds of millions of other people) thought we enjoyed it back then. We thought going to Disney was a magical experience filled with fun and wonder, even if we had to wait in lines. I guess we were wrong...
I remember going to Disneyland in the 70s and early 80s as a kid. Those ticket books were a big pain. My all time favorite visits were when we went on Government Employees Day with my dad's work. The park was pretty empty and we had special tickets we wore on our shirts that allowed us unlimited access to all the rides. This was SUCH A BIG DEAL back then! Those visits still rank up there with my all time favorite Disney trips.
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