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Old 11-01-2013, 10:38 AM   #136
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Not true. You don't know that. This whole system is ever-evolving and changing daily. Just because they made a change today doesn't mean that's how it will permanently be in the future. Right now you can still get paper FPs. Worry about what you can do today.
If you read the rest of my post you would see that I understand that.

I just mean that it's possible for them to finalize the system the way it is and people who are testing should speak up... good or bad result. That's the point of the test.
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Old 11-01-2013, 10:39 AM   #137
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You are misreading.. I don't think they are intentionally freeing up FP-, I'm saying its a result of the upcoming test...
Personally I think this will work out better for both ways yes it will free up FP- but it will also free up some FP+. I think this will lead to a greater balance I understand the argument. This will create a better balance until FP- is gone.
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And you know this how? Was this info released are you just speculating?
Because it makes sense. It's a way for Disney to insure people can at least get one headliner attraction scheduled on FP+ during the crushing holiday season.

And I think it's totally disingenuous of people to say that guests should just visit during non-peak times. Unfortunately the majority of people have to visit during holidays and summer peak season, hence the reason the parks are packed during that time.

The true test for FP+ will indeed be the holiday time. It's going to test the infrastructure and the applications.
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Old 11-01-2013, 10:41 AM   #139
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And as of now, you can still do that. You an schedule a FP+ and you can pull paper FPs for the others if you get there at RD.
Okay, let's assume we're going on a moderately crowded day (say, middle of October). If you get there at RD and pull at FP for Soarin' at 9:10am w/ a return time for 12:30pm, you need to wait two hours to get your next which brings you to 11:10am and based on historical records, TT at 10:25am, so you're out of luck. Now if you have the luxury of traveling at times like now, when Space Mountain continuously has a 20 minute wait, you might now run into this problem, but most will. Also, what about re-rides and those who don't want to get up at the crack of dawn? Previously, those people could have done it.
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Old 11-01-2013, 10:42 AM   #140
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Because it makes sense. It's a way for Disney to insure people can at least get one headliner attraction scheduled on FP+ during the crushing holiday season.

And I think it's totally disingenuous of people to say that guests should just visit during non-peak times. Unfortunately the majority of people have to visit during holidays and summer peak season, hence the reason the parks are packed during that time.

The true test for FP+ will indeed be the holiday time. It's going to test the infrastructure and the applications.
ah! Ok so you are speculating.. At this point we could speculate alot of things, but in reality we all know nothing about the intended use right now.
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This isn't a matter of the system being buggy. Not everyone has encountered bugs in this process.

This is WDW FP+ developers being morons! This was an intentional change and personally, I hope that everyone will send them an email complaining about the changes. They won't know that we are unhappy unless we tell them.
I agree. What I was referring to was the poster saying she understands they need to test it. I wouldn't want them using my vacation as that test unless they were going to comp me in some way. The risk/ reward factor is way too unbalanced for me.
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Personally I think this will work out better for both ways yes it will free up FP- but it will also free up some FP+. I think this will lead to a greater balance I understand the argument. This will create a better balance until FP- is gone.
The only thing it will do is spread out the FP+ to more people.
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I agree. What I was referring to was the poster saying she understands they need to test it. I wouldn't want them using my vacation as that test unless they were going to comp me in some way. The risk/ reward factor is way too unbalanced for me.
Answer is simple.. Don't participate in the test.
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Old 11-01-2013, 10:44 AM   #144
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ah! Ok so you are speculating.. At this point we could speculate alot of things, but in reality we all know nothing about the intended use right now.
I think everything about this test is speculation. Until it's final and everything is done being tested every month something different is being tested with this system.
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I don't know why people are complaining about this..
This opens up more times for FP-...
Nobody's forcing you to take part of the test.. With these restrictions regular FP people will have better chances to do their "thing" now..

What about when regular fastpass disappears ?
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I would too. But the big supporters of FP+ seem to be the late sleepers. If you still have to be there at rope drop, it sort of negates that benefit.

In response to the complaint about only being able to get a FP+ for either TT or Soarin, someone suggested doing one at RD. That's fixing a problem that wasn't there until they decided to fix something that wasn't broken.
These two posts echo my thinking about why Disney has done this. I believe they have removed Soarin' from the FastPass+ list in anticipation of a high-peak demand period (e.g. Thanksgiving and Christmas). They saw how irate many people were when they couldn't get FP- for Soarin' during higher crowds than anticipated in mid-October.

So, their answer is to remove Soarin' as a FastPass+ option, and revert back to the old system - i.e. if you want fastpasses for Soarin', you have to be there early/rope drop.

It is counter-intuitive to the arguments in support of FastPass+!

That said, they may have recognized they don't have enough lead-time to try to rebalance the appropriate # of FastPass+ relative to FP- for the higher crowds, so they are going with the "old" system (FP-, because they know how its works) for the time-being.

Once they get through the peak season(s), then I suspect they will introduce a re-worked opportunity to obtain more than one or two FastPass+ in Epcot. Either that, or they will adjust the number of FastPass+ "tiers" based on anticipated crowd levels.

Wouldn't that be fun?!!
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I think everything about this test is speculation. Until it's final and everything is done being tested every month something different is being tested with this system.
I agree, that is why I'm not up in arms about anything at this point. We just don't know.
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The only thing it will do is spread out the FP+ to more people.
I also think this is difficult to really put in perspective because it's only at Epcot ad Epcot doesn't have a lot of major attractions. If you did this at MK it would be a little crazier
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What about when regular fastpass disappears ?
What about if this is only a test, and this will not be the norm? Dare to think!
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ah! Ok so you are speculating.. At this point we could speculate alot of things, but in reality we all know nothing about the intended use right now.
I do have a family member that is working exclusively with FP+ if that helps you.

I'm sorry, but creating more FP- just doesn't make sense. That available pool of Fast passes is not going into the parks, it's just just being spread around to more people who want to use FP+. Disney realizes that due to the lack of real headliners at Epcot that there is a shortage of FP+ for those two attractions during the holiday season and this is how they are addressing it (to allow you only one FP+ selection for either headliner).
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