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Old 10-30-2013, 06:39 PM   #16
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In every rumour there are usually nuggets of truth...

There were plans, now scuttled, by the State of Florida to build a high-speed rail line between Tampa and Orlando.

Much of the line was supposed to take place in the median of I-4, I believe. The terminus for the eastern end of the line was at the Orlando International Airport and there had been plans to have a station labelled "Walt Disney World", on Disney property.

I believe all of this is now moot, but I could see where these plans could be confused with the concept of a monorail going from MCO to WDW, as you would have been able to do so on the high-speed rail line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_high_speed_rail
On another thread it was posted that a private group is looking into reviving the mco to wdw route.

Can't find anything though.
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Old 10-30-2013, 06:52 PM   #17
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We have been to Disney 17 times. We were told the same story by a bus driver in 1990. It sounds like a good idea but where at DW would it terminate? Everyone would have to get to their respective resorts from where it terminates. I would think it would be a logistical nightmare with luggage and all, but if any company can do it, Disney can. We've been waiting 23 years now.
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Old 10-30-2013, 07:16 PM   #18
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We have been to Disney 17 times. We were told the same story by a bus driver in 1990. It sounds like a good idea but where at DW would it terminate? Everyone would have to get to their respective resorts from where it terminates. I would think it would be a logistical nightmare with luggage and all, but if any company can do it, Disney can. We've been waiting 23 years now.
It would terminate somewhere on property and then you would be bused from there. Your luggage would probably go in a seperate vehicle from there just like ME or even straight from the airport just like ME now.
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On another thread it was posted that a private group is looking into reviving the mco to wdw route.

Can't find anything though.
There is actually 2 projects. The 1first was high speed train with the government involved and that plan is dead.

The 2nd is from Miami to Orlando/MCO., via PC. It is a private group. The plans are layed out and the last I read they are in the permit and right of ways stage.

I have not seen lately, but then again I have not looked.

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Old 10-30-2013, 08:24 PM   #20
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We have been to Disney 17 times. We were told the same story by a bus driver in 1990. It sounds like a good idea but where at DW would it terminate? Everyone would have to get to their respective resorts from where it terminates. I would think it would be a logistical nightmare with luggage and all, but if any company can do it, Disney can. We've been waiting 23 years now.
I have to agree with The Great Oz. This is a good idea, but the logistical support of it would be an unimaginable expense (both in construction and in maintenance). Time will tell.



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Old 10-31-2013, 08:59 AM   #21
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There is actually 2 projects. The 1first was high speed train with the government involved and that plan is dead.

The 2nd is from Miami to Orlando/MCO., via PC. It is a private group. The plans are layed out and the last I read they are in the permit and right of ways stage.

I have not seen lately, but then again I have not looked.

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That plan, AFAIK, does not include any stops at Disney.
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:17 AM   #22
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That plan, AFAIK, does not include any stops at Disney.
I don't believe any of the high speed rail projects included stops at WDW.

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Old 11-01-2013, 12:18 AM   #23
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I could possibly see Disney doing this , only possibly because 1. buses run diesel and if your a truck driver or notice the price of diesel recent it has been near $4.00 a gallon, and well these buses do not get the best MPG maybe 11-15 A gallon, so roughfully 5-7 gallons of fuel per round trip starting at the airport and back, then you have to pay the drivers on top of that so for that roughfully 2 hour trip the driver is gone that 1 bus alone costs $50-$60 per trip and they are only moving about what 30-40 people per trip at max sometimes less very less, I have personally been on a buses with 10 people on it , now a monorail system or sometime of system might actually pull ahead in the long run because it can simply keep on running, the systems to run such a large system like this is kinda out there but maybe Disney is designing something where they can run it so it takes people to the correct resorts, because if you have 1 or 2 drop points its going to make no sence to then put these people on a bus and ship them all over the resort with luggage
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Old 11-01-2013, 01:06 AM   #24
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Never going to happen. Besides the cost alone the amount of zoning, organize, land usage regulations and so on between the city of Orlando, the airport, the counties, state etc. Much better odds of an expansion of the monorail system from Epcot station to other areas inside the "world". That was the original plan, Epcot was supposed to be a hub just like the TTC. If you look at some old records.
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Old 11-01-2013, 06:45 AM   #25
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I don't think cost alone is the issue. Word is they spent $1 billion on the whole MyMagic+ system. That would translate to 1,000 milies worth of monorail track at the price you mentioned. If they had really, really wanted to, they could have built more tracks around WDW as was originally planned, and then some.

The biggest difference between those two is that unlike MyMagic+, the monorails generate no income but still have their expenditures.
It doesn't work like that. The cost of rides, resorts, tickets, and transportation don't all come from the same place. The pool MyMagic plus comes from is separate from what monorails would come from. A company a big as Disney is going to have different budgets for different things, and while it could be argued that research and development could be an area they both fit in...past the development stage, that ends.

And I wouldn't say monorails generate no income. In fact, I would say the both of them, MyMagic+ and monorails are in the same boat there. Neither directly draw income, but they both draw in more park traffic, and are expected to pay for themselves over the long term. A monorail would decrease transportation expenses for Disney, likely increase resort costs (if it connected to any more resorts), and make not only a Disney trip more attractive, but make staying at any resorts it now connects to more attractive.

I could be wrong on the part of resort costs, though. I know someone said something about that in another post. I can't remember if they said it's been confirmed that the resorts DO work in the monorail cost or they don't.

Regardless, make no mistake, a monorail would eventually pay for itself. As someone who manages a lot of trucks on the road every day for a business, it's a real problem that we're all going to face soon. When, not if, gas goes up to $4+ again, I don't know what's going to happen. This could be Disney trying to find a way to avoid that issue.

Personally, I don't think the monorail rumor has much substance. Not offense to the bus driver, but he's just a bus driver, and probably doesn't know much more than anyone else in the thread. As far ahead of its time as the monorail was when created, there is new technology nowadays, as already mentioned here, that I would think they would be more likely to go for.
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:05 AM   #26
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I don't believe any of the high speed rail projects included stops at WDW.

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I've only read the wikipedia article not the refferences it sites but wdw was in the plans depending on the route.
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So here's a fun - albeit unlikely one - for you.

While at Disney last week, we were the only ones on the bus to Downtown Disney (from Wilderness Lodge - so this was an official Disney bus and a cast member driver) and ended up chatting with the bus driver. In a series of things he was listing about new and upcoming things at Disney (the new Land and Sea cruise package, the new Disney Springs, etc), he casually mentions that Disney already has the property bought and plans made for a direct monorail between the Orlando airport and WDW.

Whaaaaaaat.

We've all heard that the Monorail will likely never be expanded due to cost-effectiveness, and given that Orlando airport is 20+ miles away, that sounds like crazy talk. So I kinda dismissed it at the time.

But I DID note that in the podcast the other week, the news about the airport expansion mentioned a new "peoplemover". Perhaps they are building a monorail within the airport? Also, how GREAT would it be if they really did build a monorail from the airport to the TTC?!

(What I really want is for them to connect the monorail to the Wilderness Lodge. IT'S RIGHT THERE, PEOPLE. IT WOULD COST LIKE FIVE DOLLARS. *rant*)
If it were going to be built, it more likely be a Light Rail, which cities all over the world are building to bring people from airports to transit hubs. Portland Oregon sort of lead the charge on this and it has proved hugely successful.
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The Orlando to Tampa high speed rail project (now dead) was a public project with a major private partner. The latter was Disney. One of Disney's stipulations was that the trains run nonstop between MCO and WDW. The state wanted at least one stop in between, in the Idrive area.

Partly because of that impasse, the project died.

Had such a project been completed, "Magical Express" would probably still have been created, but running between the WDW stop (in the I-4/192 interchange vicinity) and the resorts.

Trains would have run probably no more often then once every 30 minutes with 1 hour and even 2 hour headways during midday and evening hours. Plus the wait approximating today's DME waits connecting at the WDW station. We might note that waiting more than 45 minutes for the DME bus to ffill up is an aberration.

I doubt that pod or RUF or PRT fixed-guideway transit systems will progress beyond the novelty stage. Their problem is capacity. One track can carry only so many vehicles and each station can load only so many vehicles, and with fewer than 15 passengers per vehicle the total number of passengers per hour per track (lane) is very limited.

By the way, why so much interest in new monorail lines when Disney can't keep the monorails it has running reliably?
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If it were going to be built, it more likely be a Light Rail, which cities all over the world are building to bring people from airports to transit hubs. Portland Oregon sort of lead the charge on this and it has proved hugely successful.


This would be much more likely then a extended Monorail. They use trolley type cars or the latest is *pods*, computerized pods, with 4 to about 20 guests capacity.

It would be interesting!

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The Orlando to Tampa high speed rail project (now dead) was a public project with a major private partner. The latter was Disney. One of Disney's stipulations was that the trains run nonstop between MCO and WDW. The state wanted at least one stop in between, in the Idrive area.

Partly because of that impasse, the project died.

Had such a project been completed, "Magical Express" would probably still have been created, but running between the WDW stop (in the I-4/192 interchange vicinity) and the resorts.

Trains would have run probably no more often then once every 30 minutes with 1 hour and even 2 hour headways during midday and evening hours. Plus the wait approximating today's DME waits connecting at the WDW station. We might note that waiting more than 45 minutes for the DME bus to ffill up is an aberration.

I doubt that pod or RUF or PRT fixed-guideway transit systems will progress beyond the novelty stage. Their problem is capacity. One track can carry only so many vehicles and each station can load only so many vehicles, and with fewer than 15 passengers per vehicle the total number of passengers per hour per track (lane) is very limited.

By the way, why so much interest in new monorail lines when Disney can't keep the monorails it has running reliably?
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