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Old 10-21-2013, 11:56 AM   #31
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Fastpasses have been running out for popular attractions halfway through the morning lately; I woudn't advise anyone to try this strategy unless they plan to fastpass all secondary rides and shows.
When we last went to WDW in October 2012 (school fall break for our kids) regular Fastpasses were also running out for most popular rides by mid-morning, when it is busy FP or FP+ will suck up tickets quickly, this is a NOT a new problem, may be being impacted more so by testing of FP+ but not the only factor, when it gets busy very hard to pull FP especially hold multiple FP for same ride or within same park on same day (reason it has never been a part of our park trip planning)
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The problem is that WDW is just too crowded. They need to increase the prices .
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Old 10-21-2013, 12:00 PM   #33
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You can't move your TSM time same day very successfully now. You are going to have to make a plan and stick to it when this is fully rolled out. It's pretty cruddy and unlike the ADR system there is no way to cancel a FP+ that you aren't going to be able to make it to so there will be tons of unused slots that other ppl want but can't get.
Well, yes. But with regular FP you're also stuck with whatever time you're given and can't change it. Frankly, FP+ is a huge improvement over regular FP for that ride. Not sure what people were expecting. At least now you have a shot to ride without a 2-hour wait even if you don't show up at the machines in the first 15 minutes after park opening.

The problem here is that most people on this board (who are not the typical Disney visitor) know how to manage their day to squeeze every minute out of it. FP+ evens the playing field a bit for your average visitor.

Once the FP inventory is in one system instead of two and everyone is on it - it'll be more normal is my guess.
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is that reported for just FP-? Has this been confirmed the same with reserving FP+?
I haven't seen anything confirmed (and Disney hasn't been confirming that sort of thing anyway), but I noted while I was there that available FP+ times on MDE tracked out right along with the posted FP- availability. If Soarin' or TSMM fastpass time were out to 10:30 pm, that was the soonest you could get a replacement FP+ for that attraction. If they ran out at the machines you couldn't get them on MDE either.

The only exception I could see to that was that if someone did free up a FP+ selection for earlier in the day it might show up briefly, and I doubt that was reflected on the legacy FP machines, but I don't think this would help very often for the scenario you gave.

If anyone observed it differently I'd like to hear about it.
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I think it's taking a lot of the spontaneity and FUN out of the trip.

Yeah, we don't HAVE to decide what time we want to ride what ride 60 days out, but if we don't, we run the risk of not being able to ride it at all. Especially once the old system is completely gone. I liked deciding what park I wanted to go to ON THAT DAY--taking weather into consideration, etc--and getting paper FP when we entered the park.

But when the paper is gone and all that's left is kiosks...there will be no same day FPs. Mark my words. If people can reserve them 60 days out, there will be NOTHING available on the kiosks the day you walk into the park. Same as what happened with table service restaurants. People will run to reserve ahead of time so they don't miss out. And there will be nothing left for people who don't want to plan every second of their trip months ahead of time.
It honestly allowed us (my family ... not speaking for anyone else) to be MORE spontaneous, because we didn't have to run for a FP machine and then see what time we got before we planned what else we wanted to do. We knew going in that we had FPs for X ride at such-and-such a time, and an ADR for Y restaurant at such-and-such a time, and so the rest of the day was whatever we wanted to do. We didn't have to worry about only wanting to spend a half day at a park and then being "forced" to stay because our FP time was six hours away. And if we decided we needed to sleep in a bit, we knew we had our FPs in hand and could do that without missing a prime ride-return window.

We actually got up at 9am one morning, decided at the last minute to see if we could have breakfast at Kona Café (we had to wait 20 min, but we got in), and then headed over to DHS to ride TSM when our window opened just after noon. Without FP+, we'd have been up at the crack of dawn, in line at the Studios a half hour prior to opening having probably slammed down some pop-tarts and juice on the way, rushed over to TSM, and ended up with a FP for sometime mid-afternoon. No spontaneity there.

So ... for us ... it worked. And it worked well. We loved planning our must-dos in advance and letting the rest of the day unfold.

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I haven't seen anything confirmed (and Disney hasn't been confirming that sort of thing anyway), but I noted while I was there that available FP+ times on MDE tracked out right along with the posted FP- availability. If Soarin' or TSMM fastpass time were out to 10:30 pm, that was the soonest you could get a replacement FP+ for that attraction. If they ran out at the machines you couldn't get them on MDE either.

The only exception I could see to that was that if someone did free up a FP+ selection for earlier in the day it might show up briefly, and I doubt that was reflected on the legacy FP machines, but I don't think this would help very often for the scenario you gave.

If anyone observed it differently I'd like to hear about it.
Not always. Was there December 5-8 and was able to swtich my fastpass from 10am to 2pm when the FP machines were already at 5pm. 2pm was available but then nothing until 6pm so pehaps other cancellations reopened some inventory. Was surprised I was able to do it but I did.
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I think it's taking a lot of the spontaneity and FUN out of the trip. Yeah, we don't HAVE to decide what time we want to ride what ride 60 days out, but if we don't, we run the risk of not being able to ride it at all. Especially once the old system is completely gone. I liked deciding what park I wanted to go to ON THAT DAY--taking weather into consideration, etc--and getting paper FP when we entered the park. But when the paper is gone and all that's left is kiosks...there will be no same day FPs. Mark my words. If people can reserve them 60 days out, there will be NOTHING available on the kiosks the day you walk into the park. Same as what happened with table service restaurants. People will run to reserve ahead of time so they don't miss out. And there will be nothing left for people who don't want to plan every second of their trip months ahead of time.
First. You can ride whatever you want. You dot need a fast pass at all that's why there are stand by lines. You say running the risk of not riding at all but that's not true.

And mark your words? You don't know just like the next person doesn't. You might be right or wrong.

And I never plan 6 months out. Never. I can't afford to do that. I have to find out when than start saving and once I have the money I make reservations for ADRs. Do you know I always get them where I want them when I plan a month out.

People over exaggerate.

And once it's all over and done people can keep complaining and disney will keep trying its best to fix what's broke within reason.

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I haven't seen anything confirmed (and Disney hasn't been confirming that sort of thing anyway), but I noted while I was there that available FP+ times on MDE tracked out right along with the posted FP- availability. If Soarin' or TSMM fastpass time were out to 10:30 pm, that was the soonest you could get a replacement FP+ for that attraction. If they ran out at the machines you couldn't get them on MDE either.

The only exception I could see to that was that if someone did free up a FP+ selection for earlier in the day it might show up briefly, and I doubt that was reflected on the legacy FP machines, but I don't think this would help very often for the scenario you gave.

If anyone observed it differently I'd like to hear about it.
I wasn't trying to make it a stradegy option, I was just saying it's not necessary to book all FP+ ahead of time
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Not always. Was there December 5-8 and was able to swtich my fastpass from 10am to 2pm when the FP machines were already at 5pm. 2pm was available but then nothing until 6pm so pehaps other cancellations reopened some inventory. Was surprised I was able to do it but I did.
That was an entirely different system. Not reflective of the current setup
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And mark your words? You don't know just like the next person doesn't. You might be right or wrong.
That's actually the scenario when you use the idiom mark my words; nobody uses it when something's a certainty, they use it when they strongly believe they are right about something that is not certain.
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And a good part of this is not only because of the crap FP + system but from the people on this board that are scamming the system and double and triple dipping with all these FP's.
My personal feeling is that being part of the FP+\MB testing is a privilege for me and DH. I don't agree with the double dipping and do not intend to while I am there. I know people are saying that CM are telling guests they can, but I don't agree. I'm not here to tell anyone what to do. I feel that I agreed to be part of the testing and the parameters around testing are three a day so I'm sticking with that. Just my feelings, and everyone is free to do and think as they please. I'm not going to beat anyone down because they feel differently. I do understand why people don't like this system but I happen to really like it and I'm excited to use it.
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That's actually the scenario when you use the idiom mark my words; nobody uses it when something's a certainty, they use it when they strongly believe they are right about something that is not certain.
I know what you meant. I just strongly believe everything will work out.

And I strongly believe fortune telling doesn't exist.

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Personally, I think the biggest annoyance is people who complain and talk about how crappy something is before they've experienced it for themselves. Sure, the experiences other people post are helpful when planning and when evaluating something, but until I use FP+ the way I tour, I have no real way of knowing how it works for ME. I know how it works for this DISer or that DISer, but they're not me.

There are people here who have reported that FP+ worked just fine for them ... there are even fans of the system, who have used it and can't wait to use it again. I get that it's more fun and more human nature to read the negatives as validation and ignore the positives as anomalies, but the sample size here on the DIS is so minutely tiny that I can't imagine someone assuming the things posted here are representative of the system as a whole.

I do agree with someone upthread, though ... while it may seem cliché to say, "Well ... just don't go then!", it really is the only option. It's not like Disney's going to not roll out the rest of FP+. If it's something that someone is opposed to before they've even tried it, then choosing a vacation destination that doesn't have you stressed and angry before you've even left might make for a much better overall vacation experience.

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There's plusses and minuses to the FP+ system that's for sure.

Will I enjoy not having to wake up and be at Hollywood Studios at 8:15am in order to ride Toy Story Midway Mania because of FP+? Sure.

However, I won't enjoy the fact that I've got to strategically plan out which park I'm visiting which day. Granted, for many, this commando-style of intricate planning is what they enjoy when they visit. For me, not so much.

And, quite honestly, time will certainly tell whether FP+ is as fantastic as these testers believe it to be. This is a program that seemingly ALL hotel guests will be able to partake in prior to their arrival. I imagine that currently not ALL hotel guests utilize FP-. Whether that be because of naivety or something else, it's simply not happening. Now, you're going to offer this perk to all hotel guests...and I can't help but think this is going to change the game quite a bit. That's tens of thousands (and more likely six figures) of pre-planned FP+'s...and I can guarantee you that the majority of these guests won't be wasting their FP+'s on the American Idol Experience. This makes it near impossible to NOT plan things far in advance, let alone making it more difficult for even a regular hotel guest to get the coveted FP+'s they want.

We'll see how this all shakes out (I was down there just last week, didn't utilize FP+ [was at Saratoga which didn't have it yet], and experienced some issues already), but how gung ho will people be about this when 59 days out, there aren't any Midway Mania passes available? I have to imagine as well that had Saratoga offered the program and FP+ was in full swing, our family would've been in trouble as the trip was planned spur of the moment three weeks ahead of time...so much for spur of the moment trips anymore...

(Once again, we have no idea how Disney will roll this thing out. It's all speculation. I'm just happy that I'm not going back for a while.)
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Many people including myself are not happy with this FP + mess. I have been going to WDW almost annually for 30 years or so. Most of those trips have been in the "slower" seasons and I have never once did a rope drop or have I planned what my schedule was for the day. We have always been able to do basically everything we wanted to do, we worked around the crowd and used our FP when they came into effect.


This FP + system is a joke. I don't want to plan on when I'm going to eat and when I'm going to ride this ride or that 3/4/5/6 months out. That's utterly ridiculous. Now you can't even go to the Park and get a FP because they are all gone early in the day because most are taken up by these people getting them in advance. And forget about getting in a stand by line now for the big attractions. And a good part of this is not only because of the crap FP + system but from the people on this board that are scamming the system and double and triple dipping with all these FP's. People complain about the crowds on this board but then they're quick to point out how they got triple the FPs they should have because they used their Magic Band, Their KTTK card and their old room key. Ridiculous.

I agree with Disney charging people who don't show up for Dining Reservations, in fact they should charge them the price of the minimum meal X number of guests the reservation is for. If they catch you in the system with more FPs than the permitted amount, you should have your FP privileges revoked for your entire length of admission.
I think the end result of the Magic Bands, Fastpass+, and new ADR policy will please alot more people than you think. Not everyone wants to get out of bed at 6-7am on their vacation to do rope drop and collect FP's. Some people can only go at busy times and they want to sleep in on their vacation, but still enjoy headline attractions and TS eating. I for one look forward to getting out of bed at 10am on our next WDW trip instead of 7am and already have FP's for the day. This will allow us to enjoy our vacation at a leasurely pace. I think you would be suprised how many people want to plan their WDW trips like this.

DIS boards is a very SMALL percentage of the poeple that go to WDW. I agree that DIS board people are among the most experienced and knowledgable in WDW vacations. I would say most relish the fact that they are more prepared than most other people at WDW and feel a certain satisfaction that they know things that most others vacationing at WDW don't. They are masters of the outgoing system. I think these new changes will level the playing field to a certain extent and alot of DIS members don't like that. They don't have as big of an advantage now.

The reality is there are alot more people WDW will be able to attract once these new policy's/systems are bug free and fully in affect. An inexperienced WDW traveller will now be able to go Christmas week and still enjoy themselves without doing months of research.

I think one point that's really being missed here is that you won't be able to book FP+ 6 months in advance and won't need to book ADR's 6 months in advance. The average family will be able to book FP+ and ADR's 30 days out and get everything they want. There will be a huge decrease in the number of ADR's and the need to book places like Le Cellier 6 months in advance. ADR's will most like be available anywhere you like as close as 30 days out.

Again, once the bugs are worked out I think it will create a more pleasant experience for a much larger number of people. Some DIS members will be unhappy because their years of experience no longer create a big advantage over the average person.
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