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Old 12-08-2013, 08:35 PM   #1531
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Would waiting the full ride wait time outside of the line accommodate your needs? If so, how so?

Not asking for me, as it's none of my business, but rather to demonstrate what you need to articulate to GS. Because really, that's all a DAS does - provide you with a return time so that you don't have to wait in the standby line.
Yes. My family and I use the GAC's at Universal and Knott's berry farm and they're exactly like the DAS.

I am able to walk. I am able to do may things, buy my condition is unpredictable. Mine has to do with short-notice syncopal ( or near-syncope) spells of cardiac origin. I have a pacemaker, but the device never prevented all of my syncope episodes, just some. When these occur, I have about 15 seconds between when I know I'm gonna pass out and I actually do. What if I were in a line? What if the line was very crowded or too far a long and I'm not able to get out of it ? Waiting in alternate area gives me control over that situation. If I feel bad, but I'm not in line, I don't have to worry about not having room to lie down, or causing a scene. I have freedom. As mentioned earlier, I am able to walk around the parks and such, only experience perhaps a bit more exhaustion compared to the average guest, so there's no need for a wheelchair.

I've gotten the GAC before the DAS. Boy was it sometimes hard to explain it to them because some CM's can't understand the concept of a disability that's not always there.
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Of course it's discrimination. So if I go to City hall and claim I have autism or anything on the Spectrum, then I'll be given a DAS automatically because, as you said, I qualify. That's not fair. The DAS stands for Disability Access Service, not "Autism Access Service". I'd be pretty upset if a Cm would have my a reply like "It's for people with Autism or other mental challenges. " So the CM is basically saying I am NOT disabled because I don't have ASD , and that those with ASD are more disabled than others and therefore are priority. I'll be emailing Disney about this. It's infuriating to read the DAS has been covering, for the majority, cognitive and behavioral problems..as if those were the only disabilities in the world.
Well, no. You would explain to them the issues you have with standing in line, being in an enclosed space, etc. You wouldn't need to mention autism at all. Plenty of people on this thread and others have said they've received the DAS and do not have a cognitive disability. You wouldn't need to mention autism, or CP, or any actual diagnosis at all. The CM denying someone a DAS wouldn't be saying someone isnt disabled, but that their disability does not qualify for that specific accommodation.

What I said was that I'm willing to bet that someone with an issue that does not qualify for a DAS is being given he line 'it's for people with autism or other mental disorders' to try and explain what it's for. Because people with autism are a large group of people that require the DASa no also a disability that people are familiar with most of the time. I DONT think it's a good line and I do wish they'd stop.

However, wanting the DAS and not getting it doesn't automatically mean someone is being discriminated against. It's designed for a specific purpose - to help people who can not wait in a standardized line. They have different options for different disabilities. I've already had a friends husband ask me if they can get the DAS because his wife is pregnant. Pregnancy is not a disability and not giving the DAS for it is not discrimination. I'm sure it would make their touring easier, but it doesn't mean that they qualify for it based in that.
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For me yes it would. I need to keep moving otherwise I'm in pain. So no I can't just sit in a wheelchair. Also being in an enclosed line can cause a panic attack. I had one in the FP line at Soarin.
And therein lies the rub - if you can't wait in a FP line, then the DAS will do nothing for you.
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We are one of those families where DAS doesn't work for us. We chose with our pocketbooks and aren't going back til its changed. I'm sure Disney doesn't care and that's fine also. We just don't see the value in running all over the park for 3 rides max a day and it taking all day to do them. Yes, I understand Disney can be a challenge for even the healthiest but it is a shame that they are alienating families that spend a lot of money there. We spent well over 10k this past trip and it was by far the only trip we felt wasn't worth the money. So no more Disney for us til they can come up with something similar to the old way.
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And therein lies the rub - if you can't wait in a FP line, then the DAS will do nothing for you.
Most FP lines aren't as bad as Soarin was. Not sure why that one was so bad, but it was. I had 3 FP+s for each park. Epcot was so crowed we only did 2. Both Test track and Soarin FP lines were well over 20 min wait. I don't wait over 20 min in standby. I had no issues with my other FP+s or the paper FPs I pulled in HS. So yes under normal conditions a DAS would help me. But I wouldn't have even stayed in Future World to wait the wait time for a DAS bc of how crowded it was, more than even during the summer. It was hard to move around even Main Street doesn't get that bad. It ended up I didn't even need a DAS this trip bc my FP+S and paper FPs worked well enough for what I wanted during this trip.
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We are one of those families where DAS doesn't work for us. We chose with our pocketbooks and aren't going back til its changed. I'm sure Disney doesn't care and that's fine also. We just don't see the value in running all over the park for 3 rides max a day and it taking all day to do them. Yes, I understand Disney can be a challenge for even the healthiest but it is a shame that they are alienating families that spend a lot of money there. We spent well over 10k this past trip and it was by far the only trip we felt wasn't worth the money. So no more Disney for us til they can come up with something similar to the old way.
I'm truly sorry that it didn't work for you, but I guess I'm missing something big about the DAS, and I'm hoping that you can explain it to me.

How is that with a DAS you could only do 3 rides in a full day? Was it that the wait times were horrendously long, or is there something with a DAS that caused you to have to wait significantly longer than non-DAS holders?

If it's that bad, I can't imagine that Disney won't tweak it, but I'm hopeful that the won't put a GAC-like system back in place.
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Most FP lines aren't as bad as Soarin was. Not sure why that one was so bad, but it was. I had 3 FP+s for each park. Epcot was so crowed we only did 2. Both Test track and Soarin FP lines were well over 20 min wait. I don't wait over 20 min in standby. I had no issues with my other FP+s or the paper FPs I pulled in HS. So yes under normal conditions a DAS would help me. But I wouldn't have even stayed in Future World to wait the wait time for a DAS bc of how crowded it was, more than even during the summer. It was hard to move around even Main Street doesn't get that bad. It ended up I didn't even need a DAS this trip bc my FP+S and paper FPs worked well enough for what I wanted during this trip.
I'm glad for you that were still able to use FP to help you out and make it doable.
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I'm truly sorry that it didn't work for you, but I guess I'm missing something big about the DAS, and I'm hoping that you can explain it to me.

How is that with a DAS you could only do 3 rides in a full day? Was it that the wait times were horrendously long, or is there something with a DAS that caused you to have to wait significantly longer than non-DAS holders?

If it's that bad, I can't imagine that Disney won't tweak it, but I'm hopeful that the won't put a GAC-like system back in place.
For some reason WDW was mobbed the week we went. Never was before. Even the MNSSHP was sold out for first time we were there. My mom cant handle sun or heat with her meds. She can't do steps but is supposed to walk with her new knee. She did get ecv but needed to walk too. The way they did DAS was just messed up to us. Instead of us going to our 3 or 4 rides we usually do we had to get DAS, go somewhere, come back to DAS, and so on. FPS were unheard of. We had 2 FP+ on the magic band but that was it. The ones available were more thrill rides which she doesn't do. The entire week was a pita and certainly not worth the money we paid to stay at WDW.
By the time we all walked from one end of park to get DAS signed to other end where our FP+ was then back again for the DAS it was tiring even for us healthier folks. LOL

When we go to Disney we try to get in there about 10am and out by 1 or so. We are not there long as my mom just can't tolerate the heat, sun and geesh dont get her started on crowd manuevering in an ecv.
Our schedule in MK is usually HM, Pooh, Small world, and Pirates. Small world line was out the door and past the old restaurant. There was no fast pass line there. So we would have had to wait out in the sun til we finally got under cover. We were told no DAS card to sign either. We could wait in line or do something else. We chose to leave.
Pirates we couldn't go in the back way like we used to. My mom had to leave her ECV outside and take a wheelchair into pirates. She really hated that part but we both guided her through as best we could. It used to be so nice to walk into the back avoiding slopes and waiting our turn in there.
HM they gave us a DAS return time. We came back and we were put in the FP line which was a 30 min wait. While it was covered she was still out in the heat, they still had my mom trying to drive her ecv in the line. Not so bad til you get to the place where everyone merges. She was literally steered into a trash can til a CM came to her rescue. When we got in there they let us view the stretching room, which we said we could skip, then moved us out the back door to park the ECV then walk back into the reg line again. Why not just let her go to the back door to begin with and park it then go to the inside line. She has to have it slowed down anyway to get in the doombuggy. The whole thing was a stupid ordeal to say the least.
Pooh had no FPs. I couldn't get any online weeks before and there was none available at the park. The DAC return time was almost 2 hours. We chose not to wait that long as it was getting too hot and we were tired of walking around and finding shelter.

All in all, it was not so magical this trip. While I understand cheaters, I do feel it penalizes folks that really need to get in and get out of the sun and heat. It's not like we were doing 10 rides a day but with the GAC we could do the 4 that made my mom happy and get back to the Poly for relaxing. My mom is not a thrill ride person anymore so I don't think its asking too much. Until they put another GAC system in, we won't be returning. Our decision and no one elses. We can spend our money elsewhere that is more fitting for my 80 y/o mom. I see the DAS works great for others and I'm truly happy for them. We will miss the parks but it is what it is.
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We are one of those families where DAS doesn't work for us. We chose with our pocketbooks and aren't going back til its changed. I'm sure Disney doesn't care and that's fine also. We just don't see the value in running all over the park for 3 rides max a day and it taking all day to do them. Yes, I understand Disney can be a challenge for even the healthiest but it is a shame that they are alienating families that spend a lot of money there. We spent well over 10k this past trip and it was by far the only trip we felt wasn't worth the money. So no more Disney for us til they can come up with something similar to the old way.
Would you mind elaborating?

I just scheduled my FP+ for a 1 day trip. They are:

BTMRR 9-10a

Haunted Mansion 10-11a

Space Mountain 11-12p

With a DAS intermittently I could easily get in 5-6 rides in a 3 hour period which is pretty good IMO, and similar to what people were accomplishing with the GAC.
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Of course it's discrimination. So if I go to City hall and claim I have autism or anything on the Spectrum, then I'll be given a DAS automatically because, as you said, I qualify. That's not fair. The DAS stands for Disability Access Service, not "Autism Access Service". I'd be pretty upset if a Cm would have my a reply like "It's for people with Autism or other mental challenges. " So the CM is basically saying I am NOT disabled because I don't have ASD , and that those with ASD are more disabled than others and therefore are priority. I'll be emailing Disney about this. It's infuriating to read the DAS has been covering, for the majority, cognitive and behavioral problems..as if those were the only disabilities in the world.
It's not all about ASD. They don't care about your diagnosis they care about your NEEDS! Quit looking at it and explaining based on a diagnosis. Start basing everything off the needs! If they have out a pass to everyone that says I can't wait in line, Disney would be in a world of hurt. Yes my child has ASD but my Aunt has Lupus, my other Aunt has Fibromyalgia, my mom has Hashimotos, and I battle with severe hypoglycemia. All of our NEEDS are different.

I understand there are frustrations. I am very concerned with our trip that starts Saturday but I have come to the conclusion that I can't make up my mind until I see it for myself. I will be stating my exact needs and I will not be telling them any diagnosis. Most of the CMs don't know the true effect that a disease has on the body, but they have heard SOMETHING about most. The little bit they do know may lead them to assume you don't need a DAS.
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Would you mind elaborating?

I just scheduled my FP+ for a 1 day trip. They are:

BTMRR 9-10a

Haunted Mansion 10-11a

Space Mountain 11-12p

With a DAS intermittently I could easily get in 5-6 rides in a 3 hour period which is pretty good IMO, and similar to what people were accomplishing with the GAC.
I imagine it depends on how busy the parks are and getting FP+. We don't do the "thrill" rides so the only one on that list would be HM that we can do. We did get a FP+ for that one. Because we chose our FP+ online we couldn't even just walk up somewhere and change them or even look. We had to find a special machine to look to see if there were others available. the 3 FP+ I was able to get where in no way within a 3 hour period. LOL Ours were stretched out all day and this was booking them as soon as I was allowed to. I'm glad you got yours all within a 3 hour period. With my mom I can't keep her out all day to do rides. Like I said, we are at the parks 4 hours max and that's if I can keep her cool and not out on the sun all day.

We had went to AK one day and my older daughter went to get a FP for Dinosaur for just us two. There was none available so they told her to find a machine to see if there was any online for FP+. We track down a CM that knows what we are looking for and walk gosh like a mile to this machine. LOL We had to bring up my FP+ account and see if there were any Dino FPs we could get. This was at hmmm 2pm. The only ones available were at 8pm that night. There was no way we could stay that much longer. So all in all between DAS and FP+ it made for a not so happy trip. I love love love WDW and am sad this has changed to this but I'll get over it. Until my mom can't come with us on vacation we have just decided to move on to things she can do. After probably staying in the Polynesian for over a year of my life this will be a huge change for us. LOL
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It's not all about ASD. They don't care about your diagnosis they care about your NEEDS! Quit looking at it and explaining based on a diagnosis. Start basing everything off the needs! If they have out a pass to everyone that says I can't wait in line, Disney would be in a world of hurt. Yes my child has ASD but my Aunt has Lupus, my other Aunt has Fibromyalgia, my mom has Hashimotos, and I battle with severe hypoglycemia. All of our NEEDS are different.

I understand there are frustrations. I am very concerned with our trip that starts Saturday but I have come to the conclusion that I can't make up my mind until I see it for myself. I will be stating my exact needs and I will not be telling them any diagnosis. Most of the CMs don't know the true effect that a disease has on the body, but they have heard SOMETHING about most. The little bit they do know may lead them to assume you don't need a DAS.
On a side note: I don't have ASD. It was theoretical.

That's my whole point!!!!! The point of my argument is that CM's are labeling Autistic children/adults as always eligible and base it on diagnosis, NOT needs. Realistically, not everyone with an a disorder in the Autism spectrum needs a DAS, BUT because Autism is the magic diagnosis, they are given one. I am not against those with Autism, am I against the contradiction CM's are doing..claiming that the DAS is NEED-based, when they're not applying that. ( Autism was an example of the problem that's been going around). And in response to another poster, this would be classified as discrimination towards other guests who DO need accommodations but are refused a DAS because they don't have Autism.
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On a side note: I don't have ASD. It was theoretical. That's my whole point!!!!! The point of my argument is that CM's are labeling Autistic children/adults as always eligible and base it on diagnosis, NOT needs. Realistically, not everyone with an a disorder in the Autism spectrum needs a DAS, BUT because Autism is the magic diagnosis, they are given one. I am not against those with Autism, am I against the contradiction CM's are doing..claiming that the DAS is NEED-based, when they're not applying that. ( Autism was an example of the problem that's been going around). And in response to another poster, this would be classified as discrimination towards other guests who DO need accommodations but are refused a DAS because they don't have Autism.
I don't think you're fully reading what I'm saying. What I said was that I think CMs are using the 'it's for autism' excuse when they turn down people who DO NOT qualify based on the needs they have presented. And again, I'm against them doing that. The reason that autism is the 'magic diagnosis' (which is embellished, since they don't ask for a diagnosis) is because cognitive issues are a part of that disability. I don't believe anyone can be on the spectrum and not have some kind of cognitive issue on some level. Not that it would necessarily be something they need a DAS for, but obviously they're there asking for one so that's kind of irrelevant. Also, autism is very prevalent. I imagine it holds a very high ratio of guests versus other disabilities in the parks when requesting a DAS considering the high rate of diagnosis.

If someone doesn't articulate their needs other than it being mobility than they will not be issued a DAS. If someone has a visual impairment they would not get the DAS. If someone has a hearing disability they would not get the DAS. Not giving the DAS in these situations and others would not be discrimination. They offer separate and appropriate things for these issues. If someone says 'my son gets very anxious, flustered, and becomes aggressive in lines. He needs to be continually stimulated versus standing in a tight que. He has social anxiety and has a very hard time being touched or bumped by strangers, etc' the CM has no idea if the boy has autism or something else.

The stories of people not being issued a DAS legitimately when articulating their needs properly is very low and happen even less frequently as time has gone on. If you feel this strongly that you have been discriminated against I'd suggest emailing the disability department with your concerns.
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On a side note: I don't have ASD. It was theoretical. That's my whole point!!!!! The point of my argument is that CM's are labeling Autistic children/adults as always eligible and base it on diagnosis, NOT needs. Realistically, not everyone with an a disorder in the Autism spectrum needs a DAS, BUT because Autism is the magic diagnosis, they are given one. I am not against those with Autism, am I against the contradiction CM's are doing..claiming that the DAS is NEED-based, when they're not applying that. ( Autism was an example of the problem that's been going around). And in response to another poster, this would be classified as discrimination towards other guests who DO need accommodations but are refused a DAS because they don't have Autism.
I agree not all ASD kids need a DAS. And bc it does seem to be the magic diagnosis I am very concerned. This could lead to people faking needs easily bc they know ASD will get them a DAS (which I have read ppl have done...with no remorse!). My son is higher functioning than most ASD children and I am hoping our use of the DAS (if granted) will be minimal. I have no intent if using it when he is functioning well. However he does have spacial and sensory issues causing him to get overloaded and meltdown. When this happens it is overwhelming for everyone near him.

I hate being a guinea pig for any new program yet here I am! A new DAS system, magic bands (that are only semi-functional), and staying at a resort no longer giving out KTTW cards. I am beyond nervous and going in ready to stand my ground. I can't imagine what it's gonna be like :/
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