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Old 08-28-2013, 12:06 PM   #91
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Old 08-28-2013, 12:27 PM   #92
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As I mentioned above, I think this is really nitpicking and 'trying' to take something as wrong as possible. I don't see where the OP is attacking anyone for taking photographs or video. I see him suggesting that people take their noses out of their phone and enjoy the moment other than worrying about recording it. I don't see him demonizing photography, or even videoing. It reads to me as more of a 'consider it'...which is completely an acceptable thing to suggest, seeing as a majority of this generation is more obsessed with posting the moment to facebook than living it themselves...where as better videos of the exact moment are already all over the internet. It's a completely acceptable point to make.
You're missing the point. I never suggested the op was "attacking" or "demonizing" anyone. But there is another perspective that you and the rest of the "missing the moment" advocates here don't seem to see. Some people don't need to "take their noses out of their phone [to] enjoy the moment" and they're not "worrying about recording it." They ARE enjoying the moment and they're not missing anything. That's why I explained how photography helps me to see things differently and notice details that I otherwise wouldn't. I'm more focused (pardon the pun) on what's going on around me because I'm looking for something to photograph.

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Of course there are photographers/ people that enjoy photography that are taking pictures. But are you suggesting that the entire crowd holding cell phones in the air are photographers? I find this argument is no differently than saying 'Don't text people at the dinner table, enjoy the moment with your family...and someone making the argument "What if it's an important text". Yes, it could be, and in certain situations and to certain people, it's perfectly acceptable, it just seems to me to be someone going out of their way to make an argument rather than just trying to take in the opinion, and consider it or let it go.
Well since they're holding cameras, I guess technically they're photographers. And I have no idea, nor do I really care, whether they're making the most of the moment or not. I was merely trying to point out that you and the op are painting with too broad a brush when you "suggest[] that people take their noses out of their phone and enjoy the moment."
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Old 08-28-2013, 12:35 PM   #93
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I don't mind if people want to take photos or record things as long as they're following the rules. I won't be doing it but as long as it doesn't interfere, it's cool. :
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Old 08-28-2013, 12:51 PM   #94
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Oh, I understood the point, but I do not necessarily agree. As I said before, it is not possible to ever know what others do before and after those snapshot moments that others use to validate their own POV. I never really took pictures and have found out that my kids wished we did have those moments "on paper". I wish I had spent more time getting some of those cherished moments, much the same way that my DD has done. Her scrapbooks that she has created are stunning, and she takes them out for all of us to enjoy.

I think that the OP has a POV, and that it is valid for him. I also think that those if us who do feel that it is no one's business how others choose to enjoy their moment also have a point. The OP used his moment to take a picture of others who he deemed were not "in the moment". He spent his moment judging others who were not mirroring his idea of how to be in the moment. So my question is What exactly was the moment? Was it watching a show? Was it watching others watch a show? Was it taking photos of the show? or Was it taking pics of others taking pics? because clearly the OP was not directing all of his attention to the show.
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Old 08-28-2013, 12:55 PM   #95
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Old 08-28-2013, 01:02 PM   #96
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There's a rule about no flash photography on dark rides but nothing about the screens on the cameras. Even worse is people holding up tablets to take pictures.

Surely you mean tablets....because if people were holding up tables there would be a full-on riot.
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Old 08-28-2013, 01:08 PM   #97
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Here is my example, I am 4 11. Yes tiny, I was at a show and this person beside me decided to take pictures. Ok fine by me. Till his elbow and the side of my face met. And he did say sorry followed by I wasn't paying attention. No how could you have been. You closed off your perferaill vision by keeping a camera to your face for almost 20 min. A picture hear and there fine. But remember there are other people trying to have a "once in a lifetime experience" too.
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Old 08-28-2013, 01:42 PM   #98
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I think I understand the point of the OP. The first vacation I took with a digital camera I took so many pictures. Close to a thousand. But I forgot to enjoy my trip at the same time. I should have put my camera down some and enjoyed more. I did learn the lesson. I buy Photopass and take a small camera for candid shots. This way I have the best of both worlds.
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Old 08-28-2013, 01:57 PM   #99
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You're missing the point. I never suggested the op was "attacking" or "demonizing" anyone. But there is another perspective that you and the rest of the "missing the moment" advocates here don't seem to see. Some people don't need to "take their noses out of their phone [to] enjoy the moment" and they're not "worrying about recording it." They ARE enjoying the moment and they're not missing anything. That's why I explained how photography helps me to see things differently and notice details that I otherwise wouldn't. I'm more focused (pardon the pun) on what's going on around me because I'm looking for something to photograph.



Well since they're holding cameras, I guess technically they're photographers. And I have no idea, nor do I really care, whether they're making the most of the moment or not. I was merely trying to point out that you and the op are painting with too broad a brush when you "suggest[] that people take their noses out of their phone and enjoy the moment."
Obviously, you're missing the point, because they only thing thing I have been pushing is that the OP has a point, a perspective, an opinion. It's not a fact, no one here has said it's a fact, and no one has said its the blanket, 100% always recurring truth. It's a suggestion. Maybe you agree, maybe you don't. I can see where he's coming from, but at the same time, my wife is a photographer, so I see that side too. However, I don't think he's referring to a photographer, and I don't think any reasonable person would think he is. 'Painting with too broad of a brush' is exactly what is being done by those speaking against the OP right now. I'm not on a side.
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Old 08-28-2013, 02:11 PM   #100
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Other believe otherwise, and I specifically said they have a point as well.
Sorry, but this comment seems to contradict your earlier post.

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That is the point of the OP...that people aren't taking in the full moment anymore, but worrying about trying to put the moment "on paper" to remember later rather than living it. Anyone who can't understand that is trying to troll or be difficult.
It's the bolded part that I believe led to people quoting and disagreeing with your post.
I have a camera in front of me a lot and yet I still feel 100% enriched and empowered by all of my travels. Am I 'living in the moment'? - yes. Am I trying to be difficult or a troll by saying this? - No.

Of course the OP is allowed to present his/her opinion. But because 'opinion' is the operative word here, people are allowed to disagree without being given offensive labels.
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Old 08-28-2013, 02:28 PM   #101
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This is just an example of the "good ol days" way of thinking - nothing wrong with it but it's not always true.

My dad carried one of those big heavy VHS cameras that came in a suitcase around the Magic Kingdom 25-30 years ago and watched Disney behind a lens. It's just more accessible now and easier to carry so of course more people will capture those moments. It's not the degradation of society - people have always photographed things, it's just easier now.
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I am a professional videographer by trade...I take a Disney vacation each year. A couple times, I brought my small HD camera to take video here and there to make a fun montage of our vacation. Took a break for a few years...now my daughter, who will be almost 3 when we take her in a few months, is most definitely going to be subjected to some video footage I do not take a ton of photos or do scrapbooking, but my family's way of preserving memories is to make personal videos of our trips.

That being said, I find it easy to strike a balance between getting the photo/footage you need, and enjoying and BEING in the moment. Having footage of her face on a new ride is priceless to me, but I shoot maybe 5-10 seconds, and find plenty of time to enjoy the ride after. I never really personally saw the point of watching Fantasmic behind a small screen for 20 minutes, but if that is what someone else wants to do, go for it. Do what makes you happy, as long as it is respectful of those around you

I find it much less "sad" that people are trying to take pictures of fun stuff while at Disney and find myself more annoyed when I see people on their phones in the car, or out to dinner as a family with every single member on their phone and not talking to one another.
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Obviously, you're missing the point, because they only thing thing I have been pushing is that the OP has a point, a perspective, an opinion. It's not a fact, no one here has said it's a fact, and no one has said its the blanket, 100% always recurring truth. It's a suggestion. Maybe you agree, maybe you don't. I can see where he's coming from, but at the same time, my wife is a photographer, so I see that side too. However, I don't think he's referring to a photographer, and I don't think any reasonable person would think he is. 'Painting with too broad of a brush' is exactly what is being done by those speaking against the OP right now. I'm not on a side.
You can backpedal and say you're "not on a side" now if you like, but earlier you accused those who disagreed with the op's "point" of "trying to troll or be difficult."

Pointing out the faulty assumption on which the op's "point" or "opinion" or "suggestion" is based is neither trolling, nor trying to be difficult. Both you and the op expressed an opinion on a message board and you called those who were debating the point trolls. You shouldn't be surprised when not everyone responds with applause.
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Here is my example, I am 4 11. Yes tiny, I was at a show and this person beside me decided to take pictures. Ok fine by me. Till his elbow and the side of my face met. And he did say sorry followed by I wasn't paying attention. No how could you have been. You closed off your perferaill vision by keeping a camera to your face for almost 20 min. A picture hear and there fine. But remember there are other people trying to have a "once in a lifetime experience" too.
You must have been right in tight to have been hit. Pretty much the same thing could have happened if he was dealing with a child, a bag, a backpack etc.
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I'm not a huge fan of living behind the lens but I do want some family photos. My Mom is older (70s) and my twins will turn 5 at Disney and I can't think of better photos to capture.

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