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Old 07-17-2013, 11:01 PM   #31
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Did these companies also not display this issue?



just wondering...seems to be the same kind of situation
Not the same thing. Time covers are images of interest. Rolling Stone covers were to glorify things.

Heres an interesting article:
http://enjoy.ohio.com/cover-war-roll...oblem-1.413815
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:04 PM   #32
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Not the same thing. Time covers are images of interest. Rolling Stone covers were to glorify things.

Heres an interesting article:
http://enjoy.ohio.com/cover-war-roll...oblem-1.413815
So they were glorifying Charles Manson when he was on the cover?
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:12 PM   #33
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This kid was a popular, promising student. He is also physically good looking and he is a cold blooded murderer. Those are all true IMO. Since Rolling Stone chose to do a cover story on this guy then what picture should they have used? This is what he looks like. Maybe it would have been wiser to completely avoid the topic.

I personally hope that they hang the guy but I fail to see how getting mad at Rolling Stone magazine will make a difference where this is concerned. They called him a monster.
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Except for the fact that TIME did not call Osama Bin Laden a "popular boy" with a "bright future." RS's article paints Tsarnaev as a victim of circumstance, which is not something I'm okay with.
Did you read the article, or just the controversy about it? I didn't take away from it any excuse-making or glorifying at all, but it seems like that's getting to be something of a trend in our culture - not wanting to ask/not wanting others to ask "Why?" because seeking to understand violent behaviour has somehow become associated with making excuses for the perpetrators.

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But it's not a news magazine. It's Rolling Stone. Not where many go to get their world news.
Actually, they have a very long history of dealing with serious issues in current events. On their web site "politics" is the second sub-heading behind only "music" and clicking on that section gets you articles about everything from abortion to debt collection practices to the Zimmerman trial.
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:22 PM   #35
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It isn't censorship, but I'm not a big fan of it as a business model. Too few large corporations control too much of the consumer market in this country for me to be comfortable with the idea of major retailers refusing to sell things that are against their corporate philosophy.
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:28 PM   #36
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Not the same thing. Time covers are images of interest. Rolling Stone covers were to glorify things.

Heres an interesting article:
http://enjoy.ohio.com/cover-war-roll...oblem-1.413815
So let me get this straight... RS covers are to glorify things, except when they aren't (Nixon, Manson, etc), but somehow this cover is squarely in the former category rather than the latter?

I think some of this controversy is a pretty straightforward cultural bias - we're extremely uncomfortable with attractive evil. We don't mind cover photos of Bin Laden. He's obviously ethnic, obviously Muslim, obviously "other". It is much harder to confront an image of evil that looks like he could live next door.
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Frankly I don't think any magazine should put any of these nuts on their front covers. I don't really care what they look like. Evil is evil, reagrdless of the package it's wrapped up in.

Give other nuts the idea that they'll get their 15 minutes of fame by doing something crazy.
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Give other nuts the idea that they'll get their 15 minutes of fame by doing something crazy.
THIS is the first time I've heard of a good reason not to put him on the cover...thank you!
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Old 07-18-2013, 12:02 AM   #39
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Did you read the article, or just the controversy about it? I didn't take away from it any excuse-making or glorifying at all, but it seems like that's getting to be something of a trend in our culture - not wanting to ask/not wanting others to ask "Why?" because seeking to understand violent behaviour has somehow become associated with making excuses for the perpetrators.



Actually, they have a very long history of dealing with serious issues in current events. On their web site "politics" is the second sub-heading behind only "music" and clicking on that section gets you articles about everything from abortion to debt collection practices to the Zimmerman trial.
Thank you!!!

I have been reading comments concerning this on Facebook. I am betting most people who are claiming to be canceling/never again reading RS, have never actually read a single issue. The vast majority seem to be ignorant of the fact that RS does really good investigative journalism. This is an important piece. The knee jerk, let's bury our heads in the sand over reactions concerning "glorifying" are just ridiculous!

This is no different than a Time, Newsweek, etc portraying the same type of story/cover.

I also think Colleen's comment about "attractive evil" is spot on.
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Thank you!!!

I have been reading comments concerning this on Facebook. I am betting most people who are claiming to be canceling/never again reading RS, have never actually read a single issue. The vast majority seem to be ignorant of the fact that RS does really good investigative journalism. This is an important piece. The knee jerk, let's bury our heads in the sand over reactions concerning "glorifying" are just ridiculous!
That's the impression I'm getting from my FB circles too. Lots of outraged people of a right-leaning persuasion who have never read an issue of RS in their lives, or at least not since high school when they were reading it strictly for the music coverage.

It is sort of funny, I haven't subscribed to RS in years. I purged almost all my magazine subscriptions years ago in an effort to reduce the paper-clutter in my home. But this whole controversy got me thinking about how much I did enjoy their take on things and in the course of reading the article online I realized I could subscribe through my Nook app. So I did.
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That is simply not an accurate understanding of the definition of censorship, nor are censorship and personal/corporate choice mutually exclusive. Censorship is the suppression of public communication that is deemed objectionable by a body. You are confusing censorship with the first amendment right to free speech. The first amendment does only apply to the government, meaning that the government cannot arbitrarily restrict free speech, but any organization can censor speech or communications, and the decision by these corporations is the very definition of it.

That having been said, I don't object to their decision to not carry Rolling Stone magazine and I agree that it was needlessly incendiary to use that photo on the cover.
Great point about censorship . . . Too bad so many do not understand that. It's really important because corporations with no interest in news gathering or reporting are in apposition to muzzle opinions they disagree with.
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Would people prefer this type of image? A caricature that emphasizes characteristics that fit our ethnic stereotypes.

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CVS and Walgreen's sell Rolling Stone? Since when?

No, I'm fine with the decision of any retailer to refuse to sell an item they consider, or their customers might consider, objectionable or insensitive. There are other slices: libraries, bookstores, newsstands, Internet, other retailers... It's not as if two chains not selling one week's issue is preventing anyone from reading it.
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But it's not a news magazine. It's Rolling Stone. Not where many go to get their world news.
Except they are considered one of the most accurate news sources out there today. One of my journalism professors(who is a well respected journalist) had Rolling Stones on his list of publications that he thought every journalism student should read.
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Old 07-18-2013, 06:57 AM   #45
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That having been said, I don't object to their decision to not carry Rolling Stone magazine and I agree that it was needlessly incendiary to use that photo on the cover.
I agree, especially to the bolded. They could have had their news article without the provocative cover. Obviously they were going for effect.

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Steve Connelly of the Boston ad firm Connelly Partners said Rolling Stone clearly anticipated the outcry when it released the cover two weeks in advance. Its repugnant, but intentionally repugnant, Connelly said, adding that it was a desperation play to appear relevant.

Suffolk University communication professor Robert Rosenthal said a less romantic image from the crime scene might have been done less damage to Rolling Stones brand: Instead, he is getting rock star treatment, which is just plain wrong.

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion....O9VM3DWg.dpuf
BTW there was very little in the article that wasn't already known. Most of it was covered right here on the Marathon Bombing Dis thread.
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