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Old 07-09-2013, 08:32 PM   #106
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Well, if giving them a "re-use discount" (although some seemed to indicate they didn't care)...
The number of people who truly don't care about cost--or have altruistic reasons for not caring (i.e. environment)--is infinitely small, IMO.

Disney would get metaphorically torched at the stake if they if they announced a policy of: New length-of-stay mug: $18; Re-activated old mug: $18

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...then a replacement mug can be sold at a nominal fee.
And that puts Disney in the position of constantly having to defend the quality of the product, even though RFID isn't designed for long-term durability.

"The mug is perfectly fine. Why are you making me pay for a new one?"

"Why did my first mug last 3 years and this one has to be replaced after 1 year?"

"There isn't really anything wrong with the mug...you greedy people just want more money out of me!"
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Old 07-10-2013, 02:10 AM   #107
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Do you actually have a source for that information? It's long been rumored (and a variety of variations), but I've never seen anything that actually confirmed it.

Regardless, the cost of a 16oz soda is miniscule to the cost actually charged...
I was skimming through the thread, wondering if someone was going to mention this. I forget where I read it a while back, if I can find it I'll link it....but I saw that Disneyland gets their Coca-Cola products for free since the exclusivity in the park is basically free advertising for them. I would think it would be the same at WDW, but maybe not? If indeed they are getting the syrups for nothing, they've got to be making a killing off the mugs, even paying a couple bucks for the production of mugs and the cost of CO2 water.
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Old 07-10-2013, 05:56 AM   #108
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I was skimming through the thread, wondering if someone was going to mention this. I forget where I read it a while back, if I can find it I'll link it....but I saw that Disneyland gets their Coca-Cola products for free since the exclusivity in the park is basically free advertising for them. I would think it would be the same at WDW, but maybe not? If indeed they are getting the syrups for nothing, they've got to be making a killing off the mugs, even paying a couple bucks for the production of mugs and the cost of CO2 water.
That has been a rumor for a long time, but not one ever proven.

And even if it is true, it doesn't matter at all! Most companies sell their goods for a massive mark up.

People need to remind themselves every so often that Disney is a business. Either you want to buy what they are selling, or you don't. But they don't have to offer you their goods at a discount. They are like any other business, they are in it to make money.
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:28 AM   #109
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Are these chips embedded in the plastic molding itself? If not, why can't "re-activation" simply be the application/activation of a new RFID sticker?
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:46 AM   #110
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Seems to be a lot of complaints on the rumored new price for mugs, and also whether or not Disney gets the syrup for free.

If they do get the syrup free, who pays for the dispensing machines, installation and upkeep? Coke and Pepsi do not offer a one-for-all contract for all businesses or entertainment venues, and each one is negotiated. One place may pay for the syrup but if they agree to a contract of X amount of time, the machines, installation and upkeep are free. If it is true Disney gets the syrup free, does anyone know who pays for everything else? In the end does it really matter what the cost is? It is the retail price of the soda that matters and it doesn't seem to be an issue with Disney or the consumer. Could they sell more soda at a lower price, likely yes, but will there be a big enough increase in sales to make up for the lowering of the retail price?

Also, I find it amusing there is such an uproar over the price of soda and even the profit Disney makes on soda. Where is the uproar over a $6.95 hot dog, $8.95 chicken chunks or the $9.95 cheeseburger? Face it, there is a huge profit on all food and drink items, not just soda.

Maybe the increase in the price of the mug is not for everybody, but then nothing is. It is likely Disney hoped it would be a non-issue for the majority, not for all. For us, we usually stay 9-10 days so yes, we can still get our moneys worth. In the future if the ability to fill up at the parks is a reality (as Jeff comments on the article), then it may become an even bigger value.
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:19 AM   #111
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Disclaimer: My family does not drink soda, so these mugs will not be something we use. So a bit of a bias but I don't see the issue....

Yes... RFID mugs will eliminate freeloaders using old mugs, so that is an obvious $$ win for the Mouse ... and I can understand (even though it kinda scares me how much soda is being drunk) that the inconvenience of the machine locations might make a larger size mug more convenient, but overall the addition of RFID to me does not seem that big of a change... they are using essentially the same mugs but are just adding a sensor to the machines and adding a chip to the mug so they turn off after x amount of days and are unable to be used at WDW machines. As DVCers we have access to a full kitchen in our villas and we stock our own beverages for in room. When in the parks... we just carry water bottles and refill at fountains, but is the price that different from the old mug?

For the life of me I cannot understand why someone would want to drag an old mug back year after year. With all the hassle of packing for a WDW vacation and remembering the crucials... trying to locate everyone's "official" RFID mug for reactivation seems like a real PIA. Just get a new mug...

If it is about saving money... then buying your own soda/drinks/crystal light mix whatever, would be way cheaper. If it about environmental aspects then honestly soda in any form...WDW mug or purchased are not very environmentally friendly products when you look at the overall cost of transport, production, and packaging for something that has no physical benefit besides yummy taste.

Of course the Mouse is a businessman... duh. Shareholders want profits maximized and costs minimized while still delivering a quality and unique product. Trimming waste and fraud will help the bottom line... even small leaks add up over time.
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:28 AM   #112
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I guess Disney got sick of people bringing their Big Gulp mugs and using them.
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:41 AM   #113
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Also, I find it amusing there is such an uproar over the price of soda and even the profit Disney makes on soda. Where is the uproar over a $6.95 hot dog, $8.95 chicken chunks or the $9.95 cheeseburger? Face it, there is a huge profit on all food and drink items, not just soda.
Have you been living under a rock? There is plenty of "uproar" over Disney's other recent price increases: the DDP, burgers, buffets, passes, resorts, etc, etc, etc. They just increased the DDP another $2-$3 per person per night for the rest of the year after an increase of $2-$3 in January, passes just went up about 11%, resort rates are shockingly high ($422 for the Polynesian in LOW season!?!?), buffets are now $40+ and a burger and fry costs more than $10. Just about everything at WDW has gone up 35%-50% in the last 4 years.

It is my belief that Disney is now concentrating on the "once in a lifetime" visitor who they can milk dry since they "only live once" and "it's only money". The rest of us are welcome to try to keep up with the Jones, but I think that I am personally very close to being priced out of many more Disney vacations. If I didn't own DVC and have an AP I think it would have already happened.
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Old 07-10-2013, 01:55 PM   #114
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Have you been living under a rock? .
Evidently if you mean am I busy with two full time jobs, family, volunteer work and not on these boards every day then yes, I live under a rock and will now gladly go back.
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Old 07-10-2013, 03:03 PM   #115
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Have you been living under a rock? There is plenty of "uproar" over Disney's other recent price increases: the DDP, burgers, buffets, passes, resorts, etc, etc, etc. They just increased the DDP another $2-$3 per person per night for the rest of the year after an increase of $2-$3 in January, passes just went up about 11%, resort rates are shockingly high ($422 for the Polynesian in LOW season!?!?), buffets are now $40+ and a burger and fry costs more than $10. Just about everything at WDW has gone up 35%-50% in the last 4 years.

It is my belief that Disney is now concentrating on the "once in a lifetime" visitor who they can milk dry since they "only live once" and "it's only money". The rest of us are welcome to try to keep up with the Jones, but I think that I am personally very close to being priced out of many more Disney vacations. If I didn't own DVC and have an AP I think it would have already happened.
The only people they are milking dry are those who are willing to spend that kind of money on a vacation. Luckily Disney offers resorts that are much much cheaper. Spending over $400 a night for a room is purely that person's choice. As is eating any of the park food. Heck you don't even have to stay on site if you don't want to!

You can still take a trip to WDW and not spend a ton of money. But if you are willing, sure, they will take that money from you!

I think people need to keep in mind that any trip to WDW is a luxury. If Disney milks you dry, it is because you allowed them to.
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Evidently if you mean am I busy with two full time jobs, family, volunteer work and not on these boards every day then yes, I live under a rock and will now gladly go back.
Apparently you are too busy to read the rest of the boards then . Take my word that they other people are indeed complaining about the price of burgers.

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The only people they are milking dry are those who are willing to spend that kind of money on a vacation. Luckily Disney offers resorts that are much much cheaper. Spending over $400 a night for a room is purely that person's choice. As is eating any of the park food. Heck you don't even have to stay on site if you don't want to!

You can still take a trip to WDW and not spend a ton of money. But if you are willing, sure, they will take that money from you!

I think people need to keep in mind that any trip to WDW is a luxury. If Disney milks you dry, it is because you allowed them to.
Yes, of course the people being milked dry are doing so willingly! That is my point. I specifically said that I feel that Disney is relying more and more on the "once in a lifetime" visitor where money is no object. They will gladly spend thousands and thousands of dollars on a 1-week vacation with the DxDDP. Which is, of course, their right. And of course a family can do WDW for a lot less (staying off site, eating off site, packing in meals and snacks), but that person doesn't hold a lot of interest for Corporate Disney.
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:08 PM   #117
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Check out this chain of events.

1. Disney announces they are introducing RFID mugs that will prevent long term mug use while simultaneously increasing the price

2. A large portion of the DIS community says they won't buy the mugs and will just buy canned/bottled drinks to keep in there room refrigerators.

3. Disney announces they are pulling the refrigerators from all their rooms.
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:14 PM   #118
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People keep mentioning a system Disney is designing...

Isn't this pretty much off the shelf tech from a vendor. I'm sure there is some customization allowed, but some of the stuff being discussed, in terms of db setup and Id use would likely be pretty standard. The custom pieces would likely be in the pos interfaces...not the chips/station Ids.
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:15 PM   #119
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Check out this chain of events.

1. Disney announces they are introducing RFID mugs that will prevent long term mug use while simultaneously increasing the price

2. A large portion of the DIS community says they won't buy the mugs and will just buy canned/bottled drinks to keep in there room refrigerators.

3. Disney announces they are pulling the refrigerators from all their rooms.
I read from a TA on Facebook that a fridge caught fire in a room at GF. The cabinets that they are put in do not allow enough airflow. I do not believe for one second that the pulling of the refrigerators has anything to do with the new mugs, especially since they are putting in new fridges ASAP. Also, not every resort/room will be affected.
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I read from a TA on Facebook that a fridge caught fire in a room at GF. The cabinets that they are put in do not allow enough airflow. I do not believe for one second that the pulling of the refrigerators has anything to do with the new mugs, especially since they are putting in new fridges ASAP. Also, not every resort/room will be affected.
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