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Old 08-15-2013, 07:03 PM   #391
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The only place that I know of currently using freestyle machines is RC ships. I doubt you'll see them in most typical applications...mostly in long-term use conditions like resorts and ships.
If you Google "Coke Free Style" you will find that they are being installed in movie theaters, Sea World, restaurant chains, and other locations.

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Old 08-15-2013, 07:15 PM   #392
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FYI, RFID mugs are NOT in use at CBR yet. They are still selling the old mugs, old price, old restrictions - but the manager said to keep the receipt in case the next resort in out split stay has them.
Yeah...they were talking about the freestyles...which typically don't have or need the RFID but can be fitted with them.

RFID would be useful at movie theaters, ballparks, amusement parks... But not at your local fast food joints.

There wouldn't be much of a need for that tight of control.

Crap...I musta quoted the wrong post... You get the oicture
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Old 08-15-2013, 07:21 PM   #393
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The only place that I know of currently using freestyle machines is RC ships. I doubt you'll see them in most typical applications...mostly in long-term use conditions like resorts and ships.
You must not be in a highly populated area...

Burger kings, five guys, Wendy's, pei Wei, chipotle, five guys...

There's quite a few out there now... They offer a ton of choices self serve with low maintenance
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Sorry...meant to say "Freestyle machines with RFID" I've used many freestyle machines...none of them have RFID
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Old 08-15-2013, 08:07 PM   #395
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Sorry...meant to say "Freestyle machines with RFID" I've used many freestyle machines...none of them have RFID
Oh yeah...I'm with you there

RFID is not incredibly useful except as point of access

There's no point in McDonald's having a paper cup with an activator chip

This type of machine isn't going to all of the sudden have a rush of orders.

Now if you're running an Orwellian amusement park where you're not only trying to track and direct the cattle... But also have accountants in realtime on headsets trying to dictate spending and cut labor to the bare minimum...then RFID is a different cake all together.
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:14 PM   #396
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Oh yeah...I'm with you there

RFID is not incredibly useful except as point of access

There's no point in McDonald's having a paper cup with an activator chip

This type of machine isn't going to all of the sudden have a rush of orders.

Now if you're running an Orwellian amusement park where you're not only trying to track and direct the cattle... But also have accountants in realtime on headsets trying to dictate spending and cut labor to the bare minimum...then RFID is a different cake all together.
Some other applications:
  1. Places that don't currently offer self-service soft drinks due to issues over customer refills.
  2. Places in malls or front of stores where the owner thinks too much free soda is being given to mall/store employees.

Why would the average customer, dining in, purchase a larger drink size when they can just get refills? Why wouldn't many couples and even famlies share one drink, refilling as needed. Companies like Disney are testing the system. I suspect more places then you think wind up going to a system which allows them to limit the number of free refills.

Any place which offers free internet should be interested in limiting all free refills.
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Some other applications:
[*]Places that don't currently offer self-service soft drinks due to issues over customer refills.[*]Places in malls or front of stores where the owner thinks too much free soda is being given to mall/store employees.


Why would the average customer, dining in, purchase a larger drink size when they can just get refills? Why wouldn't many couples and even famlies share one drink, refilling as needed. Companies like Disney are testing the system. I suspect more places then you think wind up going to a system which allows them to limit the number of free refills.

Any place which offers free internet should be interested in limiting all free refills.
Wow...

I respect you...but you had to really forage for this argument.

There is not going to be a great demand...

Size differences? There is no price differences between sizes anyway... 5 maybe 10%...

And why?

Because the elephant in the room is that this crap costs next to nothing and they make a killing off it.

I know when this first came out there was some counter argument to that... But let's not bother going there. The syrup and the cannisters are super cheap per serving... Anyone who has ever worked near a restaurant can get a feel for that. And because it's so cheap... This is why it looks way tacky to do radio activated spigots.

I'm not saying they should give it away for free... But it looks beyond tacky...more like six flags.

Yeah...it does. It's not about defending reaganomics or the " foreclosure" society for the defense of the capitalistic state... It just looks low rent.

They should call them "Disney's all you can sorta drink fountains... Brought to you by Packard bell and Taco Bell"

Budget.

And the whole point of self serve in the first place was what you "lose" in consumption is way less
Than the manpower it takes to serve. This and the entire approach wdw has taken since 1995 has been about reduced labor... Outsourcing, magic on demand, preregistration, touch screen ordering...THAT'S the point.

I don't disagree... they don't have labor to expand and they're gonna have to do this. Fact of central Florida.

But it still is... Well... Budget. It's having your cake and stealing all the quarters out of its pockets too.

It's my opinion... But I highly doubt I'm alone or in the minority. Disney perception is everything. The problem (again) is that the consumers are not holding them to any standard.

I wonder how this would have been approached if they didnt "give" a ton of these mugs away with packages now? I wonder if it was still out of pocket?

They wouldn't push it...my bet. Just like they wouldn't charge double for steak at Le Cellier and reduce the quality of the supply and prep with out the DDP to shield it ( I have a different word for the middle "d"...but this is a family complaint board )

But I know..."can't put a price on magic"
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Old 08-16-2013, 11:04 AM   #398
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Because the elephant in the room is that this crap costs next to nothing and they make a killing off it.
Nothing new through the years I've heard people say soda costs the restaurant a penny an once, the cost to make the ice is higher then the cost of syrup, the cup costs more, Disney gets the syrup for free.....
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I'm not saying they should give it away for free..
Any restaurant could offer free soda. Instead they use it as a profit center. You can sell the burger at around cost as long as the fast food customer buys a drink. Disney could offer the soda for free, instead Disney uses it as way to make $$$$. It sure sounds like you think Disney should be giving away free soda. Free soda meaning soda far in excess then the quantity paid for by the customer. Think of this as another way of making the dining plan appear to be an even "better deal". Disney already found increasing menu prices makes the dining plan look better.

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And the whole point of self serve in the first place was what you "lose" in consumption is way less
Than the manpower it takes to serve.
BINGO and with RFID an establishment saves those labor costs without the increase in consumption. WIN WIN

Do I think every place with a self-service soda machine will convert to RFID? Of course not. I've been to places which have a sign which says one refill and places with a sign which says no refills. It's currently the honor system. I suspect those places are likely to become RFID customers. Places which don't currently offer self service, due to concerns about customer "overuse" are another example.

Long lines for drinks in the food courts might result in customers deciding to eat elsewhere. It's not clear if the lines are a result of insufficient number of machines, issues with customers who don't have RFID enabled mugs/cups or if the RFID chips aren't properly being programmed. Sounds like there are an issue with people who recently purchased non-RFID mugs. That will solve itself in a few weeks. Might be an issue bringing back old mugs. That should reduce as word spreads.
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Just to be clear --

1. if you are on the DDP, do you still receive the mugs for free?
2. If you do receive the mug, how long is it good for?
A. Entire length of stay based on number of nights (same as the meals - so if I arrive on Friday and leave on Saturday - I would have one day's worth of meals and thus one day's worth of the refills?)
B. Entire length of stay based on number of total days (so if I arrive on Friay and leave on Saturday, I would have TWO day's worth of the refills)
C. Only one day of refills and you have to purchase any additional days separately?

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Just to be clear --

1. if you are on the DDP, do you still receive the mugs for free?
2. If you do receive the mug, how long is it good for?
A. Entire length of stay based on number of nights (same as the meals - so if I arrive on Friday and leave on Saturday - I would have one day's worth of meals and thus one day's worth of the refills?)
B. Entire length of stay based on number of total days (so if I arrive on Friay and leave on Saturday, I would have TWO day's worth of the refills)
C. Only one day of refills and you have to purchase any additional days separately?

I haven't read anything.

Using logic,which doesn't always give the right answer....You can use your meal credits anytime during your stay, including the day you check in and the day you check out. I'd assume you mug would also be good from the day you check in through the day you check out. It was already posted mug usage is based on calendar days. That means it's good the entire day you check out, if it's good for part of the day.
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I haven't read anything.

Using logic,which doesn't always give the right answer....You can use your meal credits anytime during your stay, including the day you check in and the day you check out. I'd assume you mug would also be good from the day you check in through the day you check out. It was already posted mug usage is based on calendar days. That means it's good the entire day you check out, if it's good for part of the day.
That's what makes sense to me, too, but I guess then, my question is the number of calendar days - does the number of calendar days equal the number of nights of your stay, or the number of days including the day you arrive through the day you depart. I would assume/hope it to be the latter, but I haven't been able to find any "official" info on that.
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1. if you are on the DDP, do you still receive the mugs for free?
They are still including a resort mug for each guest in the terms for the dining plan when you book a room through Disney.
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What's coming next... Fast Pass Plus for soda fountains? Will I have to book my fillup using My Disney Experience on my smart phone? Do I need to do this 3 months in advance prior to travel?
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Seems that the new dispensers are having some issues.

At CBR, they have three "double" dispensers. Two of the doubles would not dispense any ice at all - not even make a sound like they were trying. I told them this morning, and later this afternoon they still didn't work - and none of them dispensed any Coke Zero syrup either (it's possible all of them were out at the same time, but seemed strange unless they share.) So only one double that could dispense ice - and so everyone was gathered around them.

I spoke to the manager...he said they've been "acting up".

Couple hours later and they still didn't dispense ice - but the Zero was working.
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1. if you are on the DDP, do you still receive the mugs for free?
Yes, since they sold the plans as having them, they have to include them...


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2. If you do receive the mug, how long is it good for?
A. Entire length of stay based on number of nights (same as the meals - so if I arrive on Friday and leave on Saturday - I would have one day's worth of meals and thus one day's worth of the refills?)
B. Entire length of stay based on number of total days (so if I arrive on Friay and leave on Saturday, I would have TWO day's worth of the refills)
C. Only one day of refills and you have to purchase any additional days separately?
Completely unknown at this point, until someone who is at a resort where they are active and on one of the dining plans can comment. My guess is it would be active for the number of days of the stay if less than 4, or for the "length of stay" (essentially 14 days) if longer, just like the new pricing model. They _might_ just make it simple and code all DDP mugs as 14 days. Or they may offer an "upgrade".

I have seen a couple of the new colors (purple and yellow I think), so they are in use at some resorts...but not at CBR.
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