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Old 07-03-2013, 03:14 PM   #61
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If the tour guide is legitimately disabled, wouldn't it be necessary to provide GAC access to his/her tour members while a part of the tour? In other words - the disabled tour guide, for reasons accepted, REQUIRES a GAC card. Those in his/her party also get to skip the lines or they would be separated from their guide.

Seems to be a very minor "perk" for a person suffering from a legitimate medical condition while also trying to make a living as a tour guide.

If other tour guides can get their party what amounts to "front of the line" access, why is it evil that disabled tour guides can do the same? They are not "gaming" the system if they are really disabled.

Why is it worse to pay a disabled tour guide for front of the line access than paying someone who is not disabled, for either the guide or the tour member? I just don't get it.

ETA - No, I have never done this. I just consider it to be a huge contradiction.
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Old 07-03-2013, 03:29 PM   #62
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I know they probably can't do this for confidentiality reasons, but wouldn't it be easier to require a letter from your doctor or specialist that you must show in order to get a GAC?
I know that it is against the law but I don't understand why. This would significantly reduce false claims and would also enable Disney to provide the type of assistance you require.
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:34 PM   #63
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no worries...i was more afraid my response would start something. There are too many threads that go from helpful to argumentive and i wanted to make sure i wasn't adding to that. And i definitely didn't want to go on the defense thinking you were implying... Thanks for clarifying.
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:53 PM   #64
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If they say their child has autism, they get the shorter line pass, but when they say their child is "artistic" she said that rubs them wrong.
They are being silly then. It's obvious that the person has an accent or is just saying it wrong, and that's totally common. I've heard diabetes referred to as "the sugars". Does that mean they don't have it? They don't take insulin just b/c they call it something odd?

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The instance with the pregnant girl is she walked up and said, "I am pregnant and someone told me I can get a card to bypass the lines". When the CM said pregnancy was not a condition, she then said," we'll my mom is old does that get me something?"
That's very different from how you told it, but to me it doesn't mean the CM was right in sinply saying "pregnancy isn't a medical condition". A better response would be "what needs do you have?"

My joints were absolutely blasted when I hit 4 months or so. I couldn't trust my ankles, knees, or hips. I don't even want to talk about the pubic symphysis issues I had. And later even my shoulders, elbows, and wrists were not trustworthy. I could barely walk. I ended up staying most of the time in our 3rd floor apartment because walking up and down the stairs was so hard for me. I didn't realize how into Disney I was going to get, just 1 year or so later, but if I'd known and if I had braved Disney, I would have had some serious needs due to my otherwise uncomplicated pregnancy.

Of course, I would have simply rented a wheelchair. If I'd gone at all.


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That doesn't mean anything at all. I've known many people who genuinely mispronounced the names of diseases and surgical procedures their family members, and even they themselves, unquestionably had.


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Yep, this is me! I don't want to be looked at oddly or talked about on message boards by you folks. I have a reason to need GAC, but ya cant tell by looking at me.
It makes me sad when people make that decision for that reason. My own husband did on our last trip; refused to rent a scooter when he had a really bad achilles injury that was causing problems in his knee and hip. He would rather make himself more off balance and in serious pain by using a cane, rather than make himself happier on a scooter. And it was because I'd previously read him the horrid anti-scooter threads in a spirit of sharing what's going on with the Dis.


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The only thing that really bothered me about the original post is the report of the VIP guide flapping their gums telling about GAC and stories of people coming up with ways trying to get one I thought it was extremely unprofessional and very un-Disney like to be saying those things to other guests Had I been on that tour I would have said as much
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As if somehow that makes it true when it doesn't always. It's like some people want to scare people off from it.
Wouldn't you rather have the proper expectation of how it's supposed to happen, and then maybe have a quicker time through the lines, than think it's going to be peaches and cream only to come up against having it work the way it's supposed to work?


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I know that it is against the law but I don't understand why. This would significantly reduce false claims and would also enable Disney to provide the type of assistance you require.
Having the Guest Assistance card and letting wheeled conveyances have another place to wait in the case of lines that are impossible for them isn't doing something *special*. It's normalizing the process for those who have these needs. It's leveling the playing field. It's free, and there are to be no questions asked about it. Just tell them what you need and they see what they can do.

For things that are extra, like a close parking space, you need a placard (etc) for that, and it costs money and requires proof.

But just to make a day more like everyone else's day, which is what these things are supposed to do, isn't *extra*, and therefore they can't ask for proof.
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:59 PM   #65
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I know that it is against the law but I don't understand why. This would significantly reduce false claims and would also enable Disney to provide the type of assistance you require.
Because the ADA was passed in order to ease access to accommodations necessary for disabled individuals. Requiring proof for an accommodation could cause undue hardship for a person with disabilities- obviously that might not be the case for someone who has the resources to vacation to Disney, but it would set legal precedent for other businesses to follow suit.
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Old 07-03-2013, 05:00 PM   #66
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I don't know why you guys on the Disboards keep taking that position. It is 95% false. People in wheelchairs and electric chairs do get priority in almost every circumstance. My dad needed one on two trips before his passing and I very clearly saw the benefit of it for the rest of our party (12 of us). We could pull up to a bus with a long line and we were boarded first ensuring all 12 of us got a seat. We went through the disability lines and got on most attractions in 5 minutes, even when there was a 20 - 40 minute wait for others. Like I said earlier, I have a disability that allows one, but I choose to go in January instead of other times so that I do not have to.
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Regardless of what the WDW website says, I have experienced it firsthand. I have heard people at work brag about getting a wheelchair for Disney and that they did things so much faster.

Disney says a lot of things. Disney says no heeleys, too, but people use them in the parks. Disney says no line jumping but people do it without repercussion. Disney says no flash photos but people do it with no repercussion.
We definitely saw this last week. Some people were obviously disabled (a little boy with a prosthetic leg ), some people it was not easily noticeable, and then some faking it. For example: At Space Mountain, wait was about an hour. We had fast passes but had to wait to enter line due to a woman in a wheelchair and 2 kids with her showing the GAC card. A man with them states he can't walk that line, takes chair from woman and goes and sits down. The woman gingerly starts walking in the FP line. As soon as she was out of site of the CM, her and the kids start RUNNING and there is practically no wait in the FP line. Later that evening, we saw her pushing the man in the wheelchair. So it was him that needed the wheelchair/GAC and he wasn't even the one riding the ride! Total misuse and abuse of the whole thing! If the person needing assistance isn't riding the ride, the FP should NOT be allowed.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:59 PM   #67
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I can tell you firsthand, since everyone is quite big on "experiences" or are big on saying things like the lines are much longer if you have a GAC! As if somehow that makes it true when it doesn't always. It's like some people want to scare people off from it.

From my experience, the wait times are shorter than the Stand By times. Especially at DL.
And I can tell you first hand that it can also be longer. Everyone's experiences are different. I've said it once and I'll say it again, it's unfair for anyone to come on these boards and say "It happened to me so it's absolutely 100% always true" because that's bull. Like I said earlier on this thread, people read these posts as gospel and it's rarely "You all said they'd be long lines but we didn't have that and it was great!", it's "you said they would be short and they were awful, you all suck".
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:21 PM   #68
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I have never have to use GAC at Disney when I went with my sister who can't stand long in lines we just rented a scooter and did fast pass. I went to universal and loved there system it's really hard to abuse. They don't automatically let you cut the line. If the wait is less then 15 minutes they seen you through the fast pass entrance. If it was more they would write you a time to come back. So you still have to wait the 45 minutes or an hour and you could not get on another ride in the mean time. I don't know anybody who is gonna waste that type of time if they don't have a need. It helps those who wanna ride the ride but can't for whatever reason can't and it fair to those who wait forever to ride. Maybe if Disney started doing this there would be less abuse. I don't know what kind of a person would lie about something like this.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:31 PM   #69
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I have never have to use GAC at Disney when I went with my sister who can't stand long in lines we just rented a scooter and did fast pass. I went to universal and loved there system it's really hard to abuse. They don't automatically let you cut the line. If the wait is less then 15 minutes they seen you through the fast pass entrance. If it was more they would write you a time to come back. So you still have to wait the 45 minutes or an hour and you could not get on another ride in the mean time. I don't know anybody who is gonna waste that type of time if they don't have a need. It helps those who wanna ride the ride but can't for whatever reason can't and it fair to those who wait forever to ride. Maybe if Disney started doing this there would be less abuse. I don't know what kind of a person would lie about something like this.
Out of curiousity how do they stop you from riding another ride?
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Old 07-04-2013, 07:00 AM   #70
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Out of curiousity how do they stop you from riding another ride?
I was curious too so I researched Universal's Attraction Assistance Pass. What I learned was that the back of their assistance pass is lined (like a library card) and if an attraction wait time is more than 30 minutes the CM writes down the attraction and return time in one of the available slots. During that time frame a person cannot receive another return time but can ride another attraction, and if you do decide that ride #2 is more important than #1 and want to receive a valid return time for #2 the time for #1 is automatically forfeited.

Also interesting is that Universal requires either a doctor's note or prescription stating that there's a need for the pass. It doesn't need to specify the disability just that a person has one and what form of accommodation(s) they require because of it.
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In the past, Disboards has discouraged people from posting their GAC experiences; don't wanna give others ideas. Here's mine and why the Universal way would not have been best for me.

The healthy me likes rope drop, fast passes, and leads the way. My family always follows along knowing that if they want to ride it or see it, it will happen. I'm the FP runner and DH is the snack runner.

The healthy me is also a breast cancer survivor. After a very hard winter of surgery and chemo, we went to WDW. My family begged me to get a GAC because my stamina had decreased by more than 50%. Chemo takes its toll; I was only two weeks past my last chemo treatment. This was 2005. I went to guest services and asked for a GAC. I looked like a cancer patient. The lady was very kind.

My GAC allowed me and my family (DH, DS, DD) to enter the FP lines. We were able to accomplish the same number of attractions in a shorter amount of time. And, no FP running. I had the time I needed to rest at the resort. (Waiting at Universal?)

It wasn't our best trip. My kids had just completed the 3rd and 5th grades and needed a diversion.

I think WDW caters their GAC's; it's not a one size fits all.

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I was curious too so I researched Universal's Attraction Assistance Pass. What I learned was that the back of their assistance pass is lined (like a library card) and if an attraction wait time is more than 30 minutes the CM writes down the attraction and return time in one of the available slots. During that time frame a person cannot receive another return time but can ride another attraction, and if you do decide that ride #2 is more important than #1 and want to receive a valid return time for #2 the time for #1 is automatically forfeited.
Exactly. So (of course) you can ride all the other rides you want while you wait. You just can't get another reservation while you wait.

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Also interesting is that Universal requires either a doctor's note or prescription stating that there's a need for the pass. It doesn't need to specify the disability just that a person has one and what form of accommodation(s) they require because of it.
This is 100% inaccurate (based on my personal experience at Universal Florida, Universal California and in law school.)
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I was curious too so I researched Universal's Attraction Assistance Pass. What I learned was that the back of their assistance pass is lined (like a library card) and if an attraction wait time is more than 30 minutes the CM writes down the attraction and return time in one of the available slots. During that time frame a person cannot receive another return time but can ride another attraction, and if you do decide that ride #2 is more important than #1 and want to receive a valid return time for #2 the time for #1 is automatically forfeited.

Also interesting is that Universal requires either a doctor's note or prescription stating that there's a need for the pass. It doesn't need to specify the disability just that a person has one and what form of accommodation(s) they require because of it.
This is not true. It's just like at WDW, you go to guest services and ask for a pass, no Dr's note required. I will say on our last trip Universal was much nicer than Disney about it. We are going with my step-dad again this year and hopefully the CM giving them out is nicer. He is obviously disabled and she was rolling her eyes at us and telling us it wasn't a front of the line pass. I said I knew that and was nice but boy was she rude! CM's should not be judging people. We only use it on the rides he rides. We would never use it with out him there. He doesn't ride the big rides so we still wait for those.
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Because the ADA was passed in order to ease access to accommodations necessary for disabled individuals. Requiring proof for an accommodation could cause undue hardship for a person with disabilities- obviously that might not be the case for someone who has the resources to vacation to Disney, but it would set legal precedent for other businesses to follow suit.
I don't think that is the reason. It is more likely because requiring proof would also require the disclosure of private medical information. It would violate HIPAA for Disney and other public accommodations to demand proof of a disability.
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