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Old 07-03-2013, 10:48 AM   #46
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We booked a Disney VIP guide for our trip. Our guide was our human fast pass and was Even able to use the FP+ test ride lines!We rode 16 rides in 6 hours in MK last week and had reserved seats for the 3:00 parade that were on the bridge going not Frontierland. It was pricey. But we loved getting inside info. Our guide works guest services when they aren't doing tours. The guide told us about the way they at tightening up on GAC to prevent fraud. There are actually 4 types of GAC and some could actually make your wait time longer. Can't do stairs, can't stand in the sun? Each get a different pass for wait areas.
She said a young cheerleader with a sprained wrist asked for one but they sad they could only give her one if she planned to walk on her hands all day., a pregnant girl said she needed one because she was pregnant. She told her that was not a disability. Then the same girl said that she needed it because her mom was old- again, not a disability .and lastly, a guy said he needed one because his son was "Artistic". A woman two people after him also needed one and surprisingly had the same unusual name. That person said she couldn't wait in the sun. Each one got a different GAC as thy had different " needs". She said they are really working hard to give the cards to those who really need it
As for the GAC " tour guides" several of them have closed their sites since the bad attention was brought out
Well, back to the whole VIP thing... Exactly how much is it?? I would definitely be I interested in a 'human fast pass' and reserved seating for the parade. That would save SO much time!! I'm sure it's worth it.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:48 AM   #47
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No offense, but what's wrong with that? Those of us who have enough money to go to WDW in the first place are obtaining a service that many others can't afford. Should we stop going on vacation out of a sense of fairness? Supply and demand. They can only give so many tours a day and there are thousands of guests who would like to take a tour. Plus, if the tours didn't cost as much, more people would take the tour. That would mean even MORE people "bypassing the lines."
Well said. All are not created equal. Those willing or able to pay for an added benefit should have that right. That is what's wrong with society. Everyone gets a trophy, no one can be the valedictorian (better than you), etc.... Off soap box.

Glad you had a great experience OP. I would not spend the extra money out of principle, but happy it is available to those willing and able to afford it.
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:52 AM   #48
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Well, back to the whole VIP thing... Exactly how much is it?? I would definitely be I interested in a 'human fast pass' and reserved seating for the parade. That would save SO much time!! I'm sure it's worth it.
I think it's $300/hour for a 6 hour minimum.

ETA: Whoops, it's over $300/hour, depending on whether you're onsite and if you you're going during a holiday.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:23 AM   #49
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Regardless of what the WDW website says, I have experienced it firsthand. I have heard people at work brag about getting a wheelchair for Disney and that they did things so much faster.

Disney says a lot of things. Disney says no heeleys, too, but people use them in the parks. Disney says no line jumping but people do it without repercussion. Disney says no flash photos but people do it with no repercussion.
Well, then in uour one trip you have experienced differently than most people then.
My family has been on 2 trips a year with someone using a wheelchair (mostly 7-10 days in the WDW parks) since the late 1980s.

What we have experienced IS what is on the website.
We HAVE heard people with wheelchairs in line with us - especially for shows- who THINK they are getting an 'advantage' since the guests with wheelchairs are pulled in to wait in a different area. They don't know that there are 2 reasons for that - one is because most shows have limited numbers if wheelchair/ECV spots and they need to make sure that more are not let in than they have space for.
The other is so they can get those people to the wheelchair/ECV spots without running into other people.
But, we are getting into the same show as we would have it we were walking in.
So, just because people think one thing is happening does not mean it is happening the way they think it is.

The bus situation, that you also mentioned is for safety and efficiency. Putting a wheelchair or ECV on a full bus is much harder and more time consuming than putting it on an empty one. On a full bus, there is also more chance of running into people or over toes.
So, it's not a 'perk' even though people think it is.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:23 AM   #50
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Regardless of what the WDW website says, I have experienced it firsthand. I have heard people at work brag about getting a wheelchair for Disney and that they did things so much faster.

Disney says a lot of things. Disney says no heeleys, too, but people use them in the parks. Disney says no line jumping but people do it without repercussion. Disney says no flash photos but people do it with no repercussion.
And Sue has also experienced it firsthand. As have I. Jumping the queue with a wheelchair is *not* the norm. I've also been on a dying dad trip when my dad had to use an ECV. Yes, we may have boarded the bus first, but we were also consequently the last off. Your entire party of 12 was lucky to have been boarded together- normally it is a maximum of 6.

Also, in queues in the park, for the lines that were not mainstreamed, there were indeed times that our wait was shorter than the standby, but in as many cases the line was as long if not longer through the accessible entrance as we had to wait for an accessible ride vehicle. For the vast majority of lines (TSMM, Buzz, Soarin, ToT, Test Track, etc) we were in the mainstream line until the last moment when we were diverted to an accessible path.
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:48 AM   #51
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IMHO everyone & anyone who thinks being at WDW in a wheelchair has any perk at all should have to be in one all day for one park Then they should have to report back as to what its really like. I am not, nor have I ever been, the type of person that sees someone in a wheelchair and thinks there is any advantage

I had an accident in Jan when my DH & I wanted to go to a park in May I was just ending PT and was extremely weak so walking was out Our favorite park is AK WELL, what an eye opener, first the people cutting in front of you and coming to a sudden stop (sees something shiny no doubt) and almost lands on your lap Then the view is just charming at butt level Then there are the little children while waiting in a meet & greet that seem to be parentless and love to lean on your chair Don't want to forget the "roads" AK is all about theming and the "roads" fit in However they are bumpier than some rides I cannot tell you how many times I almost pitched out of that chair and DH wasn't pushing fast

In fact we had several, lets say "words" over him being too polite, it got to the point that I swear an ant wanted to cross the road in front of us and he would give them it right of way Shops were a nightmare, trying to turn corners and people reaching right over and around me like I was invisible

Oh and the "looks" yeah I'm not an overly sensitive person when it comes to what anyone thinks of me but I noticed

The CMs we encountered were wonderful, made eye contact with ME, and went above and beyond The majority of the other guests there, horrendous!

My experience was a day and it was difficult and frustrating and made me realize even more than I already did there how fortunate I am that in a world of struggles this is one less that I have to deal with on a permanent basis

So tired of people thinking people that truly need some assistance shouldn't have it and so tired of people that always think they should scam and beat a system It will always happen thats the sick sad world we live in

As far as the VIP tour hey you got the money you want to go for it I say more power to you The only thing that really bothered me about the original post is the report of the VIP guide flapping their gums telling about GAC and stories of people coming up with ways trying to get one I thought it was extremely unprofessional and very un-Disney like to be saying those things to other guests Had I been on that tour I would have said as much
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:03 PM   #52
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A person in a wheelchair is already getting accommodations, so they don't need a GAC. Saying, "We had a wheelchair and never asked for a GAC" makes it sound like you somehow soldiered on without assistance or accommodation which is almost certainly untrue. The wheelchair served as your GAC- it alerted CMs to the fact that that guest needed special assistance.
My DD was in a wheelchair at MVMCP and I had not yet gotten our GAC...forgot to get one at City Hall. We tried to ride in Fantasy Land and a CM would not let us get in line without the card. Was told I needed to park our "stroller" and carry her! She would not believe it was a pediatric wheelchair. Also had a bus driver tell me the same thing... that I needed to fold up her "stroller" and pick her up. We needed a GAC, but this was our first trip to the parks so we did not have the card yet. The bus driver was embarrassed when she saw I could not fold up her wheelchair.

So I would say a GAC is very important and there is no free pass for being in a wheel chair. (My experience, of course!)

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Old 07-03-2013, 12:12 PM   #53
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From what I've noticed, the people who truly need GACs are the ones least likely to ask.... (cut)
That is the category I fit in.
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:28 PM   #54
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But again, that's not entirely true. Unless there is a need for an accommodation based on the description given by the guest or, in a child's case, the parent or guardian a GAC won't be granted just because of autism. Also unless the need described warrants this so called shorter line, that accommodation isn't supposed to be given.

I'm not trying to attack you, I'm only saying it because so many people on these boards take what's said as the gospel truth, "The internet said it therefore it must be true". I know you're only saying what you were told, my point is just that what you were told isn't exactly right and was generalized.
I can tell you firsthand, since everyone is quite big on "experiences" or are big on saying things like the lines are much longer if you have a GAC! As if somehow that makes it true when it doesn't always. It's like some people want to scare people off from it.

From my experience, the wait times are shorter than the Stand By times. Especially at DL.
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Letters can be oh so easily forged. Disney's not likely to get in the business of validating every specialist in the world. Not to mention that many providers charge for services. Dealing with the "regular" costs of a disability is bad enough, let alone having additional expenses - and perhaps more importantly time. That's another burden.
I know that online makes it more difficult to read tone, so please know I am not trying to start any kind of issue. I honestly couldn't read into why you quoted me when I don't believe I suggested any of those things you mentioned. I was in no way suggesting that Disney should start taking letters, that ADA should be ignored as far as proving disability or that specialists needed to be validated. And between doctors and specialists and advocates...trust me, I know all about the expense of having children with special needs (but honestly, I don't view that as a burden cause I wouldn't trade my kids for the world).

I was simply answering a question about why they couldn't ask for a letter for the Dis'ser that asked and stating my own opinion as a parent that I would gladly bring a letter if it meant fraud was reduced. I realize that letters could still be forged but my guess is that less would likely forge since it is more difficult to do the work to forger than just being able to walk up and verbally claim a disability that needs accommodations. Ultimately, if someone wants to cheat the system, no one will be able to stop them and they have to live with that on their conscience.

I had my daughter with me, who has both Autism and ADHD, when I went to get a GAC at AK. And because so many are abusing the system with fraud, the GS CM looked at me like he didn't believe she had anything and I was making it up. My kids get judged enough, I don't need CMs at Disney to start doing that because of stories like the rich NY moms hiring disabled tour guides. If there was a way to reduce the easiness of people being able to just walk up and claim a need for accommodations, than I was simply stating that I am all for it.
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I've toured WDW in an ECV and I've toured on foot. On foot is better, faster, less stressful, and more convenient.
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Cadyrose: my apologies: I think something went a little kerflunky with my Facebook app- my earlier reply was to the poster BEFORE you who suggested the provider's letter.
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Old 07-03-2013, 02:07 PM   #58
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My DD was in a wheelchair at MVMCP and I had not yet gotten our GAC...forgot to get one at City Hall. We tried to ride in Fantasy Land and a CM would not let us get in line without the card. Was told I needed to park our "stroller" and carry her! She would not believe it was a pediatric wheelchair. Also had a bus driver tell me the same thing... that I needed to fold up her "stroller" and pick her up. We needed a GAC, but this was our first trip to the parks so we did not have the card yet. The bus driver was embarrassed when she saw I could not fold up her wheelchair.

So I would say a GAC is very important and there is no free pass for being in a wheel chair. (My experience, of course!)
Special needs strollers or wheelchairs that look like strollers are an exception to not needing a GAC for wheelchairs.
An ECV or more traditional looking wheelchair are obvious mobility devices and a GAC is not needed to use them on lines or attractions.

Many of the special needs strollers or stroller-like wheelchairs don't look much or any different than a regular stroller, so without the 'stroller as wheelchair' tag and GAC, CMs can't easily tell they are mobility devices.
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I've toured WDW in an ECV and I've toured on foot. On foot is better, faster, less stressful, and more convenient.
I agree. I needed an ECV for a temporary condition on one of our trips and I disliked the touring with an ECV. It was very stressful and restrictive. I have a whole different level or respect for those who need to be in wheelchair or ECV.
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Cadyrose: my apologies: I think something went a little kerflunky with my Facebook app- my earlier reply was to the poster BEFORE you who suggested the provider's letter.
No worries...I was more afraid my response would start something. There are too many threads that go from helpful to argumentive and I wanted to make sure I wasn't adding to that. And I definitely didn't want to go on the defense thinking you were implying... thanks for clarifying.
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