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Old 07-02-2013, 11:13 PM   #31
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She said they cannot ask specifics. But she said If someone says they have a child with autism, they try to give them the pass with the shortest wait time unless the family asks for something different like less shade etc. I'm not here to give specific information. I mainly wanted people to know that Disney is working on fraud but that they are still compassionate to those with true need.
But again, that's not entirely true. Unless there is a need for an accommodation based on the description given by the guest or, in a child's case, the parent or guardian a GAC won't be granted just because of autism. Also unless the need described warrants this so called shorter line, that accommodation isn't supposed to be given.

I'm not trying to attack you, I'm only saying it because so many people on these boards take what's said as the gospel truth, "The internet said it therefore it must be true". I know you're only saying what you were told, my point is just that what you were told isn't exactly right and was generalized.
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:32 AM   #32
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That doesn't mean anything at all. I've known many people who genuinely mispronounced the names of diseases and surgical procedures their family members, and even they themselves, unquestionably had.
I have a child with autism and horrible anxiety and it really makes me angry that people would lie about it to get a GAC. That said, I could also see someone with an accent sounding like they said "artistic" instead of autistic...it's so close...it could just be a speech problem. I like to give the benefit of the doubt, maybe because lying about something like that seems so terrible. It's like wishing something bad on your child.

I'm glad to hear that WDW is tightening up on abuse. That's good to know.
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:51 AM   #33
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I know they probably can't do this for confidentiality reasons, but wouldn't it be easier to require a letter from your doctor or specialist that you must show in order to get a GAC?
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Old 07-03-2013, 07:49 AM   #34
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I know they probably can't do this for confidentiality reasons, but wouldn't it be easier to require a letter from your doctor or specialist that you must show in order to get a GAC?
It is against the law to ask for proof so unfortunately that can't happen. When we first started going in 2007, we did bring doctor's letters but when we took them out, GS basically said it was not needed (i don't remember the exact words, just that I didn't have to prove the DX).

But I will say that as a parent of two of the spectrum, I would have no problem being asked to show proof and would gladly bring my children's 16 page Neuropsych tests if it meant that others couldn't get away with just walking up and saying that my child has this...and needs this...when they really don't.
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Old 07-03-2013, 07:53 AM   #35
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I know they probably can't do this for confidentiality reasons, but wouldn't it be easier to require a letter from your doctor or specialist that you must show in order to get a GAC?
Requiring a letter doesn't guarantee the person is actually disabled.
There are doctors who would write a letter even though they know that no one in the family has a disability. I've heard of people with several children whose doctor offered them a letter, saying "going to WDW with 2 or more children is a disability."

Requiring a letter doesn't guarantee it would provide any useful information.
I have seen some letters people provided and many were full of medical jargon or just stated the diagnosis (diagnosis is not important - 2 people can have the same diagnosis, but one may be disabled and the other not because all conditions have various levels of severity).

Requiring a letter doesn't guarantee that the letter is real.
People can easily type a letter themselves (even getting logos from websites to create convincing letterhead).

Requiring a letter would shut out some people who have real needs.
Some people would have real needs, but not know about the need for a letter ahead of time, so would not get their needs met. Some might not get the letter in time for their trip or their doctor could charge for writing the letter.

Requiring a letter for accommodation would go against the ADA which says disabled persons can't be required o provide proof of disability to get accommodations for their needs related to their disability.

There is a lot of misinformation out there - for example, people think a GAC is needed to use a wheelchair or ECV in lines or that using a wheelchair or ECV means a shorter wait. Neither are true.

There are also websites which say things like "WDW offers passes to my pregnant woman so she doesn't have to wait in lines." One I found was on a woman's blog where she blogged each week about her pregnancy. She was very physically active, made posts about how healthy she was and how well she was feeling during her pregnancy, made many trips all over the place and thought the GAC was a wonderful 'perk' just for being pregnant.
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Old 07-03-2013, 07:55 AM   #36
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It is against the law to ask for proof so unfortunately that can't happen. When we first started going in 2007, we did bring doctor's letters but when we took them out, GS basically said it was not needed (i don't remember the exact words, just that I didn't have to prove the DX).

But I will say that as a parent of two of the spectrum, I would have no problem being asked to show proof and would gladly bring my children's 16 page Neuropsych tests if it meant that others couldn't get away with just walking up and saying that my child has this...and needs this...when they really don't.
Letters can be oh so easily forged. Disney's not likely to get in the business of validating every specialist in the world. Not to mention that many providers charge for services. Dealing with the "regular" costs of a disability is bad enough, let alone having additional expenses - and perhaps more importantly time. That's another burden.
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:29 AM   #37
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I thought that when a GAC was issued, the person it was for had to be present? The OP's multiple GAC story doesn't ring true - where's the artstic kid?
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I know they probably can't do this for confidentiality reasons, but wouldn't it be easier to require a letter from your doctor or specialist that you must show in order to get a GAC?
It's part of the americans with disability act. They just can't ask. When we went with my nephew I called to ask if I should have a script from the physician requiring assistance and they said we can't take it and you don't need it. I was told you will be given accommodations based on his need and to tell the CM when we got to the park and they would help.

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I thought that when a GAC was issued, the person it was for had to be present? The OP's multiple GAC story doesn't ring true - where's the artstic kid?
There's also a problem with the report on diagnosis-based distribution. Disney usually distributes GACs based on described needs.
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From what I've noticed, the people who truly need GACs are the ones least likely to ask,
Yep, this is me! I don't want to be looked at oddly or talked about on message boards by you folks. I have a reason to need GAC, but ya cant tell by looking at me.
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:09 AM   #41
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I thought that when a GAC was issued, the person it was for had to be present? The OP's multiple GAC story doesn't ring true - where's the artstic kid?
Why would you just call her a liar? She was simply repeating what she was told.
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:19 AM   #42
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There is a lot of misinformation out there - for example, people think a GAC is needed to use a wheelchair or ECV in lines or that using a wheelchair or ECV means a shorter wait. Neither are true.


I don't know why you guys on the Disboards keep taking that position. It is 95% false. People in wheelchairs and electric chairs do get priority in almost every circumstance. My dad needed one on two trips before his passing and I very clearly saw the benefit of it for the rest of our party (12 of us). We could pull up to a bus with a long line and we were boarded first ensuring all 12 of us got a seat. We went through the disability lines and got on most attractions in 5 minutes, even when there was a 20 - 40 minute wait for others. Like I said earlier, I have a disability that allows one, but I choose to go in January instead of other times so that I do not have to.
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I don't know why you guys on the Disboards keep taking that position. It is 95% false. People in wheelchairs and electric chairs do get priority in almost every circumstance. My dad needed one on two trips before his passing and I very clearly saw the benefit of it for the rest of our party (12 of us). We could pull up to a bus with a long line and we were boarded first ensuring all 12 of us got a seat. We went through the disability lines and got on most attractions in 5 minutes, even when there was a 20 - 40 minute wait for others. Like I said earlier, I have a disability that allows one, but I choose to go in January instead of other times so that I do not have to.
We say it because many of us use wheelchairs or go to the park with people in wheelchairs all the time and know it is true.

This is from the WDW Website about Mainstream lines:
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Walt Disney World Resort strives to provide mainstream access whenever possible; that is, all Guests utilize the main entrance to the attraction. However, accessibility varies from attraction to attraction within Disney Parks. The Guide for Guests with Disabilities and Park Guidemaps use symbols to indicate boarding procedures for each attraction. In addition, Guests should contact a Disney Cast Member at each attraction before entering.

Mainstream queues can be found at these attractions at Walt Disney World Theme Parks:
Magic Kingdom Park
Astro Orbiter
Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin
Mickey's PhilharMagic
Monsters, Inc. Laugh Floor
Pirates of the Caribbean
Space Mountain
Splash Mountain
Stitch's Great Escape!
The Enchanted Tiki Room Under New Management
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The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
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Walt Disney's Carousel of Progress (seasonal)
Return To Top
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Energy: Ellen's Energy Adventure
FriendShip Boats
Imagination!: All attractions
France: Impressions de France
Innoventions East
Innoventions West
Norway: Maelstrom
Mission: SPACE
China: Reflections of China
Test Track
The American Adventure theater
The Land area: All Attractions
The Seas with Nemo & Friends: All Attractions
Disney's Hollywood Studios
Disney's Hollywood Studios Backlot Tour
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Lights, Motors, Action! Extreme Stunt Show
Muppet*Vision 3D
Disney Junior–Live On Stage!
Rock 'n' Roller Coaster Starring Aerosmith
Star Tours – The Adventures Continue
The Great Movie Ride
The Magic of Disney Animation
The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror
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Walt Disney: One Man's Dream
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Disney's Animal Kingdom Theme Park
DINOSAUR
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It's Tough To Be A Bug
Kali River Rapids
Kilimanjaro Safaris
Maharajah Jungle Trek
Primeval Whirl
The Boneyard
TriceraTop Spin
Pangani Forest
Exploration Trail

And this is where you will find that information
https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/pl...-disabilities/
There is also a disability map for each park, which gives information about the 'Mobility Entrances' which lists where guests with wheelchairs or ECVs enter. In most cases, it says to enter the Mainstream queue.
The maps also give the same information on how to obtain and use Fastpass as is on the regular maps.
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That doesn't mean anything at all. I've known many people who genuinely mispronounced the names of diseases and surgical procedures their family members, and even they themselves, unquestionably had.
Exactly. I have a son with Autism and we live in the south. My NT kids are in a support group for NT kids with ASD siblings and, of course, my ASD son is in various therapies. I hear many who are saying "Autistic" but it sounds like "artistic" when they have a heavy southern accent. That doesn't phase me at all.

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We say it because many of us use wheelchairs or go to the park with people in wheelchairs all the time and know it is true.
Regardless of what the WDW website says, I have experienced it firsthand. I have heard people at work brag about getting a wheelchair for Disney and that they did things so much faster.

Disney says a lot of things. Disney says no heeleys, too, but people use them in the parks. Disney says no line jumping but people do it without repercussion. Disney says no flash photos but people do it with no repercussion.
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