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Old 10-10-2013, 07:15 PM   #1066
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I just read that Veronica is only 3/256th Cherokee? 3/256!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sheesh! Half of the people in America probably have that much Native American ancestry. I knew the father didn't look like he was anywhere close to half NA and the mother was not NA, but I figured the child was at least a decent percentage NA.

So I guess the other 253/256 part that was not NA just didn't matter? Because the laws regarding adoption of NA children are the only reason this ever made it to court.

If that child is truly only 3/256 Cherokee, it is ridiculous that the law was ever applied to her case. I wonder if that amount is correct...........
ICWA is about the preservation of Native American culture, not about blood. This child is 100% a member of the Cherokee Nation, just the way I'm 100% an American, even though I have ancestors from other countries.
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Old 10-10-2013, 08:40 PM   #1067
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ICWA is about the preservation of Native American culture, not about blood. This child is 100% a member of the Cherokee Nation, just the way I'm 100% an American, even though I have ancestors from other countries.
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The Indian Child Welfare Act (ICWA) is a federal law that seeks to keep American Indian children with American Indian families. Congress passed ICWA in 1978 in response to the alarmingly high number of Indian children being removed from their homes by both public and private agencies. The intent of Congress under ICWA was to "protect the best interests of Indian children and to promote the stability and security of Indian tribes and families
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Old 10-10-2013, 08:50 PM   #1068
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The Indian Child Welfare Act (ICWA) is a federal law that seeks to keep American Indian children with American Indian families. Congress passed ICWA in 1978 in response to the alarmingly high number of Indian children being removed from their homes by both public and private agencies. The intent of Congress under ICWA was to "protect the best interests of Indian children and to promote the stability and security of Indian tribes and families

Exactly, and the ICWA defines an Indian child as one who is eligible for membership in an Indian Nation, such as the Cherokee Nation. Under this definition, there is no doubt that Veronica is an Indian child.
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Old 10-11-2013, 12:23 AM   #1069
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Exactly, and the ICWA defines an Indian child as one who is eligible for membership in an Indian Nation, such as the Cherokee Nation. Under this definition, there is no doubt that Veronica is an Indian child.
The child is about 1% Native American. So the law ignores the other 99% of what she is. Sorry, but I think there ought to be a higher minimum threshold than 1%. Letting 1% of your heritage completely define you and control your destiny is ridiculous. Geez, I am more NA than that and it would be silly to call me a Native American.
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Old 10-11-2013, 12:27 AM   #1070
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Exactly, and the ICWA defines an Indian child as one who is eligible for membership in an Indian Nation, such as the Cherokee Nation. Under this definition, there is no doubt that Veronica is an Indian child.
You said, "CWA is about the preservation of Native American culture, not about blood. This child is 100% a member of the Cherokee Nation, just the way I'm 100% an American, even though I have ancestors from other countries."

I quoted from the ICWA website and it is all aboyt the blood. The NA culture is not even mentioned.

ICWA was intially written to prevent Native American children from being taken from their parents and siblings to be put up for adoption.
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:16 AM   #1071
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You said, "CWA is about the preservation of Native American culture, not about blood. This child is 100% a member of the Cherokee Nation, just the way I'm 100% an American, even though I have ancestors from other countries."

I quoted from the ICWA website and it is all aboyt the blood. The NA culture is not even mentioned.

ICWA was intially written to prevent Native American children from being taken from their parents and siblings to be put up for adoption.
The word blood isn't even in what you quoted.
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Old 10-11-2013, 01:19 AM   #1072
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If you want to quote the ICWA website, how about this quote:

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Indian children involved in state child custody proceedings are covered by ICWA. A person may define his or her identity as Indian but in order for ICWA to apply, the involved child must be an Indian child as defined by the law. ICWA defines an "Indian child" as "any unmarried person who is under age eighteen and is either (a) a member of an Indian tribe or (b) is eligible for membership in an Indian tribe and is the biological child of a member of an Indian tribe" (25 U.S.C. § 1903). Under federal law, individual tribes have the right to determine eligibility, membership, or both.
I think it's pretty clear that ICWA eligibility is based on tribal membership and not on blood.
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Old 10-11-2013, 05:30 AM   #1073
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I think it's pretty clear that ICWA eligibility is based on tribal membership and not on blood.
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Old 10-11-2013, 08:12 AM   #1074
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I think you need to step away from this.

That's an understatement, but it will likely never happen.
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Old 10-11-2013, 08:22 AM   #1075
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That's an understatement, but it will likely never happen.
I think you may be right. But we can hope.
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Old 10-11-2013, 09:48 AM   #1076
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Once again, you have gone too far. While I think what had happened to Veronica and DB is terrible, I cannot agree with you. Your extreme view is just as bad as the extreme views on the other side.
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:36 AM   #1077
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Ok, I get it, you guys don't like how this trail went down but unless you've got some hard evidence supporting your claim of abuse. let's try to dial down the hysteria.
Please do not lump the rest of us who believe that V is with the wrong family with Paula. We do not agree with her assessment.
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The conversation veered off and I'm trying to figure out if I missed a post somewhere.
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Old 10-11-2013, 11:23 AM   #1079
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The conversation veered off and I'm trying to figure out if I missed a post somewhere.
Yes, some posts were deleted.
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Yes, some posts were deleted.
Thank-you, I thought that I had entered the Twilight Zone.
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