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Old 06-21-2013, 08:41 AM   #136
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I'm sorry, but that is factually inaccurate. Other cultures have always taken multiple generations to assimilate into this nation, and even then frequently held dearly to their cultures and traditions. During the years they were assimilating, they were ghettoized and frequently assailed by their adopted country's population for refusing to "become Americans." You simply weren't there to experience it and are only experiencing the assimilated end-product. It was less than 70 years ago that this country actually put many of its Japanese citizens into concentration camps out of a fear that they were not "American enough."
The difference is that they were embracing their new country and trying to assimilate. The ones now aren't so much. They want others to assimilate to them and even take care of them with all the government programs.
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Old 06-21-2013, 08:42 AM   #137
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It doesn't bother me. When the US decides to adopt an official language then people can get all huffy over it. Even then I think it is a dumb thing to be upset over.
Where I live there are signs on businesses and highway billboards that are not in English and many of them do not even use the english alphabet. This means I cannot use that business' services and cannot read the billboards. I wish our country would adopt the official language of English. I'm 100% for bi-lingualism and I don't care what language you speak in public but when it comes down to the marketplace, let's get it together. A country divided cannot stand.

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Old 06-21-2013, 08:45 AM   #138
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It's hard to imagine that there is that much of a disadvantage when the bilingualism rate ranges from 5% to 12% in eight of the provinces and only New Brunswick and Quebec are above the average. I did not find any info on the territories . . .
Being bilingual (French and English) can be a huge advantage for certain jobs. There are jobs within the public service where you must be bilingual to apply. Even in a job where only 1 language is required you receive a bonus is you are bilingual. I have seen many other jobs in the private sector as well where they want someone who is bilingual. Especially if you are in an industry that does business in Quebec.

I'm not bilingual (I do know some French) and don't find it an issue. But being bilingual does have advantages.
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Old 06-21-2013, 08:45 AM   #139
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The difference is that they were embracing their new country and trying to assimilate. The ones now aren't so much. They want others to assimilate to them and even take care of them with all the government programs.
But in a lot of cases they weren't. Historically there have always been areas of the US where new immigrants could (and did) gather together with other people from "the old country" and they could live and work without ever learning English or converting to "American ways". Think of some of the neighbourhoods in NYC, for example.
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Old 06-21-2013, 08:48 AM   #140
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Just wanted to say that if people are annoyed at others speaking different languages in public it's probably because they are nosy and angry that they can't understand what you are saying lol.
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Old 06-21-2013, 08:50 AM   #141
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I once escorted a group of Americans through Holland, Belgium, bits of Germany and Maastricht. One of the women walked up to me and whispered, "I know they all speak English, they just are being mean!" She was in Belgium where most were speaking French or German. She thought there was a conspiracy to make her uncomfortable because she was American. I had to work very hard not to show my amusement. Some Americans really think the whole world should speak English and pay in dollars.
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Old 06-21-2013, 08:51 AM   #142
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I think it is very rude to speak a language in front of someone that you know they cannot understand. And it is also rude to talk about person, in front of that person, in any language. Don't do either of those two things and I'm ok with it.
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Old 06-21-2013, 08:55 AM   #143
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I have no problem with people speaking another language when out in public, especially if they are speaking with family, friends, etc. Those are private conversations and don't involve me.

I do think if you are an employe of a company here in the U.S., and deal with the public, you need to be able to speak English at least at a level where I can understand you.
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:05 AM   #144
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Threads like this show how as Americans we want other to accept us but we can accept anything else.
I think it is interesting when other people come into the store I work at and speak other languages. Like someone else said I am jealous I wish I spoke more then english. If anyone remember me posting back a while ago and my struggles in spanish class
I don't see why we all have to be the same. I agree that lady was rude.
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:08 AM   #145
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The difference is that they were embracing their new country and trying to assimilate. The ones now aren't so much. They want others to assimilate to them and even take care of them with all the government programs.
Again, I'm sorry but that is simply incorrect. It is an opinion driven by your preconceptions of the past and the present and is not an accurate representation of reality, then or now. You are expecting today's immigrants to assimilate instantly, which is functionally impossible to do on a universal scale and is not what happened, again for the most part, historically. You can cling to your opinions all you want, but that is not what happened in the past nor what is happening in the present according to the totality of the data.

Think of assimilation as an oak tree growing from an acorn. You cannot track it day by day, month by month or even year by year, but in 50 years, you're going to have a big tree and an assimilated culture. You must also keep in mind that assimilation does not mean wholesale adoption of our culture. The immigrants of history who assimilated also injected their cultures and histories into America's evolving culture. If not, we'd all still be Puritans and we certainly wouldn't have the diverse culture that we have now. So assimilation of the "new" immigrant cultures (and they're not actually new, as this country has been exchanging immigrants with Mexico and other Latin American countries for generations) will mean an evolution of American culture, and therefore I'd suggest you get used to that reality, even if you don't choose to like it.
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:11 AM   #146
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I'm curious how many of you speak Madarin? If we're going to get all upset that we're not accomodating and bilingual, why not require all Americans to learn Mandarin? It is the mostly widely spoken language in the world. If we are to be a truly open society and world market, shouldn't we be able to speak to the most populus nation in the world and not just accomodate our neighbors?
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Admittedly, it's been awhile (12 years or so) since I've been to Brazil, but my experience working in the country was actually that Spanish speaking people were looked down upon by many because there was an inherent distrust of those from other South American countries. I don't know if it came from being the only non-Spanish speaking country in the region or what, but I was told by a number of people to make a point of not speaking Spanish to a native Brazilian or they might think you're Argentinian, Chilean, etc.
Like I said, I've never been to Brazil, so my entire knowledge of that country's use of English and Spanish in public announcements draws from having a Brazilian roommate/friend in college. That having been said, I don't doubt that they look down upon Spanish speakers, my point was more that despite having a legal language, they supposedly still make announcements in other languages. But I could be wrong, as nearly the totality of the Brazilian component of my argument is drawn from having essentially this same conversation multiple times while in college, which was a few more than twelve years ago and proves again that this isn't a new argument.
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:28 AM   #148
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I didn't say it would be easy. But many think Americans are arrogant for traveling the world and not bothering to learn enough passable language for the country they are visiting. And that's just on vacation. But people want to move here, live here, work here and function here and not learn the language or expect everything to be offered in their language and we're the ones with the problem?

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And that is a problem because??
It's a step backwards.

And yes, there is a movement within the Latino community to deliberately NOT assimilate. I have no idea of the percentage it is compared to the community at large.

My German ancestors came to my hometown almost 200 years ago as part of an attempt to create a German "utopia" here in the US. My great-great grandfather even sent a propaganda book back to Germany and was largely credited with recruiting many German immigrants to this area. Ultimately, their utopia was unsuccessful, and they assimilated after a period as outcasts.
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I'm curious how many of you speak Madarin? If we're going to get all upset that we're not accomodating and bilingual, why not require all Americans to learn Mandarin? It is the mostly widely spoken language in the world. If we are to be a truly open society and world market, shouldn't we be able to speak to the most populus nation in the world and not just accomodate our neighbors?
Not quite. More people speak Mandarin, but its not nearly as "widely" spoken as English. Even where English is not the first language, it is often the second language. And it's the language of international business and travel (international pilots speak English).
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