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Old 06-07-2013, 12:04 PM   #61
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I could see 4 weeks being excessive, not sure where that came from? Maybe a post I missed?

But one or two weeks is not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. And yes, it could impact the teacher (although, it shouldn't impact that much, if lesson plans are prepared enough in advance).

As far as school ranking, to be blunt, I don't really care if it affects the school's standardized tests or not, that's their problem, not mine. The same goes for funding, if they can't handle it, they need to push that family reasons become excused absences. Bottom line is employers are required to give time off for family reasons, why not schools? I know schools don't want to hear this, but again, FAMILY is the most important thing we will EVER have and it takes work to keep a family together. Yes, sometimes that work is playing together, but that is still doing work to keep the family together.

Personally, I like to schedule my vacations around holidays, so that get more time with taking less vacation time, which would also happen to coincide with school breaks in most cases. But, if I needed to, I would not hesitate to pull the kids out for a week or two. If I had to, I would put them on independent study (which the school is apparently required to permit in our state) or, if the school doesn't permit that and was being insistent that they can't miss, as I said before, I pull the kids out and homeschool them.
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Old 06-07-2013, 12:06 PM   #62
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I could see 4 weeks being excessive, not sure where that came from? Maybe a post I missed?

But one or two weeks is not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. And yes, it could impact the teacher (although, it shouldn't impact that much, if lesson plans are prepared enough in advance).

As far as school ranking, to be blunt, I don't really care if it affects the school's standardized tests or not, that's their problem, not mine. The same goes for funding, if they can't handle it, they need to push that family reasons become excused absences.

Personally, I like to schedule my vacations around holidays, so that get more time with taking less vacation time, which would also happen to coincide with school breaks in most cases. But, if I needed to, I would not hesitate to pull the kids out for a week or two. If I had to, I would put them on independent study (which the school is apparently required to permit in our state) or, if the school doesn't permit that and was being insistent that they can't miss, as I said before, I pull the kids out and homeschool them.
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Absences that impact ranking or funding are based on student attendance percentages in the school or district, it doesn't matter if the absences are "excused".
I am not aware of any school department that tells a parent they cannot take their child out of school. In many states there are truancy laws that may be enforced if a child misses a certain number of days (for whatever reason). Sometimes that number is pretty low. Most schools never choose to pursue the issue unless it is a chronic problem. School rankings and funding do impact the entire community: tax base, real estate value, etc.
Home schooling is certainly a wonderful option for those who feel they can best serve their children's needs in that manner.
Again, in the scheme of the Universe, it's a personal decision. Great discussion, many good points made, but I'm sure no one is going to change their plans.
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Old 06-07-2013, 05:29 PM   #63
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Just wondering what the consensus is in regards to removing a child from school for a cruise. As a working mother I feel as if this time is a necessity to keep my family intact since I cannot take vacations during "prime time" season. Does bonding time supersede schoolwork?
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Boy, you will never get a consensus around here on that question!

My personal opinion is that a week of missed schoolwork can still be learned. If my children are doing well in school and will still do well despite missing a few days or a week, then I will take them out of school. If their grades will suffer if I take them out, then I will leave them in. While people on the boards have pretty strong opinions about this, I feel that you can do what is right for your family. For my family: we will only have our daughters live with us for 18 years each. We will remember a week on a Disney Cruise much more than a week of school. That's not to say we should replace ALL the school weeks with Disney, just that I think my daughters can grow up well-rounded and intelligent and knowledgeable even if they miss a week of school each year.
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Old 06-07-2013, 05:37 PM   #64
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I missed a day of first grade; now I can't read, write, nor do calculus. I sleep in my parents' basement and have only a Norwegian brown rat for company. And he's mean.

Boy, you will never get a consensus around here on that question!

My personal opinion is that a week of missed schoolwork can still be learned. If my children are doing well in school and will still do well despite missing a few days or a week, then I will take them out of school. If their grades will suffer if I take them out, then I will leave them in. While people on the boards have pretty strong opinions about this, I feel that you can do what is right for your family. For my family: we will only have our daughters live with us for 18 years each. We will remember a week on a Disney Cruise much more than a week of school. That's not to say we should replace ALL the school weeks with Disney, just that I think my daughters can grow up well-rounded and intelligent and knowledgeable even if they miss a week of school each year.
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Old 06-07-2013, 06:17 PM   #65
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Absences that impact ranking or funding are based on student attendance percentages in the school or district, it doesn't matter if the absences are "excused".
I am not aware of any school department that tells a parent they cannot take their child out of school. In many states there are truancy laws that may be enforced if a child misses a certain number of days (for whatever reason). Sometimes that number is pretty low. Most schools never choose to pursue the issue unless it is a chronic problem. School rankings and funding do impact the entire community: tax base, real estate value, etc.
Home schooling is certainly a wonderful option for those who feel they can best serve their children's needs in that manner.
Again, in the scheme of the Universe, it's a personal decision. Great discussion, many good points made, but I'm sure no one is going to change their plans.
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In California you get the first Truancy Letter after your student misses 3 days. You get the second letter threating to take you to court after missing 6 days. After 10 days they start visiting your house and bringing you into meetings and possibly court. How they decide an absence will differ from district to district. My sons school, it is any absence that is not a Doctors visit or Illness. For all California schools missing more than 30 minutes of school time is counted as an absence even if they were there the rest of the day.
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Old 06-07-2013, 06:18 PM   #66
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I used to be a science teacher. If a child missed a whole week, he/she would have a hard time. Every week, my children had book work, class work, a lab and a quiz. The quiz covered all of it. The child could read the book, and go to the library to read the source work. The labs were done in groups. There was no money for extras - make up labs. My yearly budget was 5 dollars per child for the whole year.
I would never force a child to miss a week of class and expect him/her to do well. I can still remember parents asking why a child had such a low grade. Some of the parents never seemed to understand that missing school does have consequences.
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Old 06-07-2013, 06:48 PM   #67
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Personally, I think sometimes it can be. And like a PP said, taking a week off of school is hardly sending a message that school doesn't matter. Instead, it can send the message that sometimes family matters more than school, especially when it's the only time a family can afford (either in time or money) a trip.

To the OP, only you (and your state laws, apparently) can decide what's best for your child. Personally, I say go for it!
I find it interesting that people are justifying it by saying it is opportunity to spend family time....do you not spend family time on a regular basis? I think if the argument is to spend quality time with your kids, then it isn't necessary to take them out of school to do so.
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Old 06-07-2013, 07:30 PM   #68
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I find it interesting that people are justifying it by saying it is opportunity to spend family time....do you not spend family time on a regular basis? I think if the argument is to spend quality time with your kids, then it isn't necessary to take them out of school to do so.
I'm sorry, I'm really not trying to be rude, but this is laughable. Isn't that what a vacation with your family is?....family time.
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I find it interesting that people are justifying it by saying it is opportunity to spend family time....do you not spend family time on a regular basis? I think if the argument is to spend quality time with your kids, then it isn't necessary to take them out of school to do so.
I think this is very insensitive to people who don't have the opportunity to see their children on a regular basis. I have my DD every other weekend. I take any opportunity I can to spend time with her, even if it means missing a week of school. Don't assume you know everyone's personal family situations.
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Today I attended the funeral of a young mother with three boys ages 5, 6 and 8. Today was also the last day of school in our county. I certainly hope that their family did not hold off taking a family vacation until the summer this year.
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:36 PM   #71
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Today I attended the funeral of a young mother with three boys ages 5, 6 and 8. Today was also the last day of school in our county. I certainly hope that their family did not hold off taking a family vacation until the summer this year.
Amen.

I've always balked when people say they aren't taking their kids to WDW until they are older b/c they won't remember it. What if the situation changes... I'd sure like to think the memories of the parents or the photos would be treasured. Life doesn't wait.
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My daughter was in 8th grade this year when I took her out in January. I looked at the school calendar and picked a week there was only 4 school days instead of 5. I somehow felt better she was missing only 4 days instead of 5.
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I've always balked when people say they aren't taking their kids to WDW until they are older b/c they won't remember it. What if the situation changes... I'd sure like to think the memories of the parents or the photos would be treasured. Life doesn't wait.
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Our vacation in '07 overlapped the beginning of the school year for my sons and my niece. My SIL and I initially felt that we should do a shorter trip or schedule it at another time at first but then made the decision to go ahead and take the out of school. We had absolutely no regrets. They didn't miss out on anything that first week of school and we all had a wonderful time.

I lost my husband, my dad and grandmother last year, all within months of each other. Kind of changes your perspective on life and makes you realize how fragile it is. Family time is important, whether it's on a beautiful ship at sea or at the dinner table at home. We're taking another extended family cruise next year in October and we can't wait!
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Something to think about. On Tuesday my son is going to start U.S. History in independent Summer School. He will meet with his teacher 7 days this summer (once a week). When he is done he will get credit for taking a full year of High School U.S. History. Last year he did the same thing for World History and received an "A" on his grade. If he can do this in 7 days how much can it hurt missing 5 days out of a 180 day school year?
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