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Old 06-12-2013, 02:50 PM   #211
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Most people get 2-3 weeks off. That is what teachers get as well (a week in spring and two at Christmas). 8-10 weeks in the summer is not a vacation or a break. It is a mandatory stoppage of work without pay. Not at all the same thing.
If you're on a yearly salary, no, it's not a mandatory stoppage of work at all. It just means that your salary is distributed in paychecks over 9 1/2 to 10 months, not 12 months. Again, it's a budgeting issue, not a salary issue. If you're paid hourly, then yes, you're not getting paid for not working, but then you're paid for the time you work.

At the same yearly salary, say $50,000 just for argument's sake, someone who is paid 2 times a month for 12 months will gross $2,083 per paycheck. Someone who is paid 2 times a month for 10 months will gross $2,500 per paycheck. The same annual salary, just distributed differently.
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Old 06-12-2013, 02:52 PM   #212
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Most people get 2-3 weeks off. That is what teachers get as well (a week in spring and two at Christmas). 8-10 weeks in the summer is not a vacation or a break. It is a mandatory stoppage of work without pay. Not at all the same thing.
Ok so try working those extra 8 - 10 weeks and still get paid the same salary like every other person who is salaried does. I am in a salaried position in retail and I don't get an extra 2 month work stoppage, yet I don't get paid any more money. And I do work well over 40 hours a week with no extra compensation.
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Old 06-12-2013, 02:52 PM   #213
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Seriously??? Lets talk about the responsibility a parent has to their child and the child's education. Is it "best for the child" to miss valuable days of their education? As an educator, I find your response here shocking and rude.
But your assumption that a parent has nothing of value to add to a child's education isn't? How many complaints are there from teachers here about how the curriculum is now devoted to teaching to the test, and they don't teach kids to think or analyze any more because they have to teach to the test? How would missing a few days or a week of that impact a child's education?

Folks, let's get real. Yes, people take kids out of school for vacations, it happens. Some do it because that's the only time their work will allow them to get off (I grew up a military brat, we took vacations when dad could get the time off, didn't matter when that was), some do it because it's cheaper, and there's nothing wrong with that option either, and some do it because it's less crowded. For many kids, this won't impact their school career at all, and getting the time to spend with a parent who is working so hard is immensely valuable, for other kids, it will impact them, but mom and dad will work hard to help them keep up because the vacation is worth it to them, and for some kids it will impact them and mom and dad don't give a squat. Looking down our noses at anyone for the choices they make in cases 1 and 2 is presumptuous and snooty, case 3, feel free to be judgemental and snooty.

In most cases, you aren't going to change people's minds, and neither side is interested in hearing what the other has to say, we're all just spitting into the wind hoping it doesn't fly back and hit us in the face because we think it's fun.
I am a high school teacher and the only test I am teaching to (or at least preparing my students for) is the ACT. I am not assuming that parents have nothing of value to add to their child's education. I am just saying that I can help your child get into college more than a Disney vacation in the middle of the school year will. But of course, the choice is yours!!!
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I am a high school teacher and the only test I am teaching to (or at least preparing my students for) is the ACT. I am not assuming that parents have nothing of value to add to their child's education. I am just saying that I can help your child get into college more than a Disney vacation in the middle of the school year will. But of course, the choice is yours!!!
The point that most on this thread have been trying to make, is that a break in the middle of the year may not be ideal, but may be the best option they have. If my child missing a week of school in a year for a Disney vacation will miss getting into college, then I wouldn't take my child out of school. My response to you was because you posted that a PP was rude because they talked about what's best for the child, and you assumed that butts in seats every day of school for your class is what's best for the child, what if it isn't? What about the kids who's dads are deployed, and they only get 1 week off to spend with their family during that deployment and it falls during the school year, would it not be good for the child to take that time off to spend it with a parent?
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But your assumption that a parent has nothing of value to add to a child's education isn't? How many complaints are there from teachers here about how the curriculum is now devoted to teaching to the test, and they don't teach kids to think or analyze any more because they have to teach to the test? How would missing a few days or a week of that impact a child's education?

Folks, let's get real. Yes, people take kids out of school for vacations, it happens. Some do it because that's the only time their work will allow them to get off (I grew up a military brat, we took vacations when dad could get the time off, didn't matter when that was), some do it because it's cheaper, and there's nothing wrong with that option either, and some do it because it's less crowded. For many kids, this won't impact their school career at all, and getting the time to spend with a parent who is working so hard is immensely valuable, for other kids, it will impact them, but mom and dad will work hard to help them keep up because the vacation is worth it to them, and for some kids it will impact them and mom and dad don't give a squat. Looking down our noses at anyone for the choices they make in cases 1 and 2 is presumptuous and snooty, case 3, feel free to be judgemental and snooty.

In most cases, you aren't going to change people's minds, and neither side is interested in hearing what the other has to say, we're all just spitting into the wind hoping it doesn't fly back and hit us in the face because we think it's fun.
I am a high school teacher and the only test I am teaching to (or at least preparing my students for) is the ACT. I am not assuming that parents have nothing of value to add to their child's education. I am just saying that I can help your child get into college more than a Disney vacation in the middle of the school year will. But of course, the choice is yours!!![/QUOTE]

Don't you think that, just maybe, experiences you may encounter with different cultures in different countries could differentiate a college application more so that a question or 2 on the ACTs. Extra curricular activities seem to have been replaced by more homework. I don't want to minimize the value of teachers, but some teachers seem to get offended and try to minimize when something outside the classroom might actually teach a child something that can't be learned in a classroom. God forbid that lesson come from.... the parents.
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Quite frankly, I don't see an issue with it at all.

I took my oldest out a couple of times (only once per school year), and it was never an issue.

My youngest will enjoy vacations during school as well. I don't know of anyone who's been adversely affected by being taken out of school for a week for a vacation with family. Personally, I think it's important that families get that opportunity. Summers aren't always conducive to adults getting vacations, and to give their families some enjoyment in life, going during the school year is a small sacrifice to pay for it.

Smart parents discuss it with teachers, as well as try and plan it around shortened weeks during the year (when the schools have a three day weekend perhaps).

For those that refuse to take their kids out of school, more power to you, but I hardly think it's worth chastising those that do.
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The point that most on this thread have been trying to make, is that a break in the middle of the year may not be ideal, but may be the best option they have. If my child missing a week of school in a year for a Disney vacation will miss getting into college, then I wouldn't take my child out of school. My response to you was because you posted that a PP was rude because they talked about what's best for the child, and you assumed that butts in seats every day of school for your class is what's best for the child, what if it isn't? What about the kids who's dads are deployed, and they only get 1 week off to spend with their family during that deployment and it falls during the school year, would it not be good for the child to take that time off to spend it with a parent?
In this scenario, absolutely. But if you are honest, you know most reasons are not because of a deployed parent. I felt the pp was rude saying that the poster should not be teaching if s/he did not always put kids first. I felt that was a rude comment when s/he is clearly just following the school policy, as was clearly stated.
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I am a high school teacher and the only test I am teaching to (or at least preparing my students for) is the ACT. I am not assuming that parents have nothing of value to add to their child's education. I am just saying that I can help your child get into college more than a Disney vacation in the middle of the school year will. But of course, the choice is yours!!!
Don't you think that, just maybe, experiences you may encounter with different cultures in different countries could differentiate a college application more so that a question or 2 on the ACTs. Extra curricular activities seem to have been replaced by more homework. I don't want to minimize the value of teachers, but some teachers seem to get offended and try to minimize when something outside the classroom might actually teach a child something that can't be learned in a classroom. God forbid that lesson come from.... the parents.[/QUOTE]

Of course it can! I will be doing that on a few weeks with my own kids on the Fantasy Eastern Caribbean cruise. And they will go back to school and learn great new things from their teachers when school is in session. Best of both worlds! It took years to save up for an expensive summer cruise, but hopefully it will give us the family time we all need. I do not kid myself into thinking that our 6 hours in St. Thomas on a snorkel tour will set my kids apart from others on their college applications .
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As the person that started this thread I would like to say thank you for all of the input that has been given. I did in fact decide before posting that I was going to take my daughter age 9 out of school to attend my September wedding on the Disney Fantasy. I felt as if the beginning of the school year would be less detrimental to her studies and assume that durning the first few weeks of school (she starts the first week of September) a review of the previous year will be implemented and she wouldn't miss out on new academics. To all of the teachers that have posted I do understand the amount of extra work that goes into having a student catch up to their classmates when time is missed. Teachers definitely aren't given the credit they deserve. Perhaps we could have had a wedding when school wasn't in session but the timing happened to work out best for my family. I do intend to make sure all work is completed in a timely fashion after our return since advancement of schoolwork isn't allowed in our district but I also must admit that I will ensure that she gets to let loose and have fun exploring the carribian with us!!
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As the person that started this thread I would like to say thank you for all of the input that has been given. I did in fact decide before posting that I was going to take my daughter age 9 out of school to attend my September wedding on the Disney Fantasy. I felt as if the beginning of the school year would be less detrimental to her studies and assume that durning the first few weeks of school (she starts the first week of September) a review of the previous year will be implemented and she wouldn't miss out on new academics. To all of the teachers that have posted I do understand the amount of extra work that goes into having a student catch up to their classmates when time is missed. Teachers definitely aren't given the credit they deserve. Perhaps we could have had a wedding when school wasn't in session but the timing happened to work out best for my family. I do intend to make sure all work is completed in a timely fashion after our return since advancement of schoolwork isn't allowed in our district but I also must admit that I will ensure that she gets to let loose and have fun exploring the carribian with us!!
Congratulations! I am sure it will be a great trip for all of you.
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Of course it can! I will be doing that on a few weeks with my own kids on the Fantasy Eastern Caribbean cruise. And they will go back to school and learn great new things from their teachers when school is in session. Best of both worlds! It took years to save up for an expensive summer cruise, but hopefully it will give us the family time we all need. I do not kid myself into thinking that our 6 hours in St. Thomas on a snorkel tour will set my kids apart from others on their college applications .[/QUOTE]

I have debated for a while whether to post on this topic. Many of us won't see eye to eye on this. My daughter is blessed with WONDERFUL teachers and we try and show them how very grateful we are for their cooperation when we do take her out of school. As wonderful as they are, there isn't a one of them that is so spectacular that my child won't get into a good school if I take her on vacation for a week during the school year. I hazard to guess her ACT score will not change because of that week of school missed. Now, if I didn't help her catch up on her work while gone, before going, etc or she was a child struggling to keep up I may reconsider. But I will never agree that it is poor parenting to spend some quality time with my kids and miss a few days of school.
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In this scenario, absolutely. But if you are honest, you know most reasons are not because of a deployed parent. I felt the pp was rude saying that the poster should not be teaching if s/he did not always put kids first. I felt that was a rude comment when s/he is clearly just following the school policy, as was clearly stated.
You're welcome to whatever feeling you like, I just pointed out that your response was also a rude comment when you look at it from another angle.

No, most reasons aren't because of a deployed parent, that was an extreme example that those here on the DIS are famous for using to make a point, but unless it's just a complete jerkwad of a parent, most of the reasons are just as valid as a deployment, you go when you can.

You're asking parents to trust you to provide the best possible education for their children and get them into college, but got offended when a poster suggested that if you didn't have the best interests of the child at heart, then you shouldn't be a teacher, I saw a conflict in those two positions and pointed it out. Now, from my perspective, that horse is not just dead, but getting pretty stinky.
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As the person that started this thread I would like to say thank you for all of the input that has been given. I did in fact decide before posting that I was going to take my daughter age 9 out of school to attend my September wedding on the Disney Fantasy. I felt as if the beginning of the school year would be less detrimental to her studies and assume that durning the first few weeks of school (she starts the first week of September) a review of the previous year will be implemented and she wouldn't miss out on new academics. To all of the teachers that have posted I do understand the amount of extra work that goes into having a student catch up to their classmates when time is missed. Teachers definitely aren't given the credit they deserve. Perhaps we could have had a wedding when school wasn't in session but the timing happened to work out best for my family. I do intend to make sure all work is completed in a timely fashion after our return since advancement of schoolwork isn't allowed in our district but I also must admit that I will ensure that she gets to let loose and have fun exploring the carribian with us!!
Congrats on your upcoming wedding! I hope that you and your family have a great time!
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Would it be feasible for the parents to be told what is going to be covered and instead of expecting the teacher to come up with work to do during the vacation, the parents develop a curriculum to teach those concepts while gone? It wouldn't be the same work as the kids in the classroom would be doing, but it would be making sure they are still learning what they need to.

I'm a nurse practitioner. I don't have much seniority to take vacations during "prime" vacation times (school breaks) plus we're understaffed so no one is taking much of a break right now. I don't get holidays off, I don't have weekends off, nature of the beast. I am also salaried, some days I get out on time, other times, I'm there 5 hours later. My patients don't care what time I am "supposed to" leave from work. Silly babies.
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Ya only live once! Not gonna let one pissy, jealous teacher ruin my trip.

That being said, my daughter, currently in her 2nd year if Middle School had so much work to do before, during and after our trip that I won't pull her out again if I can help it. But I have no regrets doing it when she was in the younger grades. Glad I did.
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