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Old 05-27-2013, 10:15 PM   #31
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Someone on cruise critic who is on board has posted. They actually posted yesterday about how nice the ship was. They said they waited at muster station for 4 hours, some people were ill - it is a long thread and I just started, but it is on the RCCL site if anyone is interested.
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Old 05-28-2013, 04:16 AM   #32
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...I guess smoking cigaretts disgarded improperly ignighting the gear oil and wooden structures on the mooring deck. Oh and I also believe it was Mr. Plum in the parlor with a candle stick......
I find it hard to believe a cigarette would start the mooring lines or any wood on fire by itself.....not impossible, just hard!

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Old 05-28-2013, 04:24 AM   #33
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Hey old friend,

I've just returned from 17 days off the grid in Cuba and imagine my surprise to see this Seriously, I think the Sunshine will be great, I'm just about to head over to Cruise Critic to read feedback on the first cruises after refurb.

Glad nobody was hurt on the RCCL ship; at the end of the day, that's all that matters! I'm happy the new ships are being built with better fire (and redundancy) systems.
Hey there!.......Glad you had a good vacation to Cuba!

I knew that statement would get some attention! However I meant it.

I always said if things changed I would change my opinions on Carnival.

Right now after all the problems and means the years of problems the Sunshine and the Triumph have been totally reviewed, been put under a microscope! Millions are being spent not only on repairs, but millions on up grades, including the redundancy systems.

What I am hearing is the days of the big he bull Carnival telling their class, Lloyds and the USCG, their P and I club and other groups what they are going to do may very well be over.


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Old 05-28-2013, 04:35 AM   #34
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According to Bloomberg reports RCCL is not in any better financial shape.

I don't follow Bloomberg, not impressed with the way the guy runs N Y either, a bit of a prema donna in my mind!

RCCL raised there last quarter dividends, their booking like most of the industry is growing, so I guess things aren't to bad.

Carnival Inc. leaking money like a open ended pipe. Their many accidents and fires have cost their insurance groups millions and their premiums are rising accordingly.

They had a big self insured risk and that's all out of pocket. Add to that the additional millions that are going to be spent on the upgrading on many of their vessels including the Italian yard vessels.

lastly they are discounting a lot of cruises, following their old policy of wanting the vessels to seem full is now a drain I am not sure they can handle.

They are cutting service and amenities, less entertainment, services, etc. (yes go read their CC site if you don't believe me)

To all that, add the loss of a big part of the new cruiser segment which is booking with other lines hurts as well.

In time things will improve, people forget the many accidents, fires and the sinking.

No I cannot say with any good faith that RCCL is in the same boat as Carnival, they are in a deep hole. For the sake of all their employees I hope they can dig out!


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Old 05-28-2013, 10:03 AM   #35
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Remember the Triumph is in Freeport and we don't know just how backed up the yard is! Not to mention, if I am not mistaken Carnival Inc. owns the Freeport Yard.
Carnival & RC each own 40% of the Grand Bahama Shipyard. The remaining 20% is owned by the Grand Bahama Port Authority. Since it appears that the fire did not affect any area below the waterline, most of the repairs should be able to take place alongside the pier. No need to haul her into a drydock.
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Old 05-28-2013, 11:46 AM   #36
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I find it hard to believe a cigarette would start the mooring lines or any wood on fire by itself.....not impossible, just hard!

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I can think of a few accidental causes off the top of my head. Most would involve improper storage of chemicals or work being done at the time like the Elation I think off Miami a few years ago.
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Old 05-28-2013, 11:55 AM   #37
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Just read this:

"I heard these big explosions and saw the fire jump out of the ship. We couldn't get to the muster station because it was on fire," McTigue said.


Hmmm, when your muster station is on fire, where do you go?
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Hmmm, when your muster station is on fire, where do you go?
I've been wondering about muster stations on the Disney ships for awhile.

On our first cruise, our muster station was in the Walt Disney Theater. It was great for the muster drill, sitting in air-conditioned comfort! Those with muster stations in Animator's Palate probably feel the same.

In the case of a real emergency and possible evacuation, though, how many people are going to calmly wait at a muster station in the interior of a ship for an organized escort to a lifeboat?

And what if your muster station IS the area of a fire or other damage?
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Old 05-28-2013, 12:16 PM   #39
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I would imagine (and I can find out from my sister) that the CMs in charge of each muster area are instructed alternative locations - just as in school we have alternative exits if our exit is blocked by fire, at the store in Times Square we have a general evacuation meeting location (yes, we've had to use it before), and an alternate if that area is also deemed unsafe.
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I can think of a few accidental causes off the top of my head. Most would involve improper storage of chemicals or work being done at the time like the Elation I think off Miami a few years ago.
I think it was the Ecstasy that caught fire off Miami. The story was they were repairing (I think welding) some equipment in the laundry when a spark caught some lint residuals in a dryer vent and the place went up in a flash. The vent led to the mooring deck and the fire quickly spread to the mooring lines. I believe they also said there were some chemicals on the mooring deck that helped fuel the fire.
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Old 05-28-2013, 12:46 PM   #41
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Tonka,

It sounds as if some of the passenger cabins WERE affected by the fire/smoke/water right? (Because they offered hotel to the ones that couldn't return?) In that case, them calling the muster brought people out of the rooms and out of harm's way (and allowed them to be ready to abandon ship in case it couldn't be contained, as it sounds like they were ready to do.)

My question is, what happens if there is a fire where your muster station is and you can't get to it? Just muster anywhere you can find a CM? Will they sign you in and account for you there?

I just was wondering, because this affected the lounges, and I know my last several musters have been in theaters at the end of the ship, and I wondered if anyone was supposed to muster close to the aft? Or do they not muster at the aft?

Just was wondering. I have never really given it much thought before until this. (I always attended and always knew where I was supposed to go, but the idea seemed so 1912 to have to abandon ship...clearly after Costa and this, I will be having contingency plans...)
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I can think of a few accidental causes off the top of my head. Most would involve improper storage of chemicals or work being done at the time like the Elation I think off Miami a few years ago.
Hey Truck,

I mentioned that on another thread..........drums of oil or lube oil or paint stuff..........all a possibility. I often had materials like that stored in sheltered areas on deck.

Where ever they store those kind of items there is likely to be some spillage, the deck could have have had some residue on it.

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Old 05-28-2013, 04:27 PM   #43
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Tonka,

It sounds as if some of the passenger cabins WERE affected by the fire/smoke/water right? (Because they offered hotel to the ones that couldn't return?) In that case, them calling the muster brought people out of the rooms and out of harm's way (and allowed them to be ready to abandon ship in case it couldn't be contained, as it sounds like they were ready to do.)

My question is, what happens if there is a fire where your muster station is and you can't get to it? Just muster anywhere you can find a CM? Will they sign you in and account for you there?

I just was wondering, because this affected the lounges, and I know my last several musters have been in theaters at the end of the ship, and I wondered if anyone was supposed to muster close to the aft? Or do they not muster at the aft?

Just was wondering. I have never really given it much thought before until this. (I always attended and always knew where I was supposed to go, but the idea seemed so 1912 to have to abandon ship...clearly after Costa and this, I will be having contingency plans...)

Good question, I would expect the CMs would be handy to tell you where to go. Most likely the opposite side of the vessel and you may be in a life raft instead of a boat.

If you could not find someone, That is where I would go with my family, the opposite side and stay near the life rafts unless they direct you into a lifeboat.

If you to be in a life raft, you would have to get in the water, the life rafts will be launched overboard and automatically inflated or if some when down with the ship, they would automatically float free of the vessel and automately inflate.


Something to keep in mind, the life rafts all inflate by means of a line you will see extending from one end, if for some reason the life raft is not inflated, pull the line out and the Ralf will inflate.

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Carnival & RC each own 40% of the Grand Bahama Shipyard. The remaining 20% is owned by the Grand Bahama Port Authority. Since it appears that the fire did not affect any area below the waterline, most of the repairs should be able to take place alongside the pier. No need to haul her into a drydock.
OK, I did not know the %.

Yes, very likely she would not need to go into the dry dock, but there may be other vessels at the yard berths.

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I have been reading the thread on Cruise Critic that was started as a review of a person on the ship...fascinating...
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