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Old 05-24-2013, 07:10 PM   #31
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There's going to be a Commanche village. Perhaps they'll show the kids how to torture your prisoners for maximum effect.

(Seriously, the Commanches and the Texans were both in competition for the same land each had immigrated to, and both groups had some of the best fighting horsemen the world has ever seen. The Commanches just had the bad habit of slowly torturing people to death, unfortunately. The Texans, of course, had the great good luck of getting hold of the first Colts.)
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Old 05-24-2013, 09:44 PM   #32
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Not that I believe this rumor, but why do people keep saying this? 6400 acres is larger than every other disney project outside of WDW. Also, who is building a resort in rural SE Texas?
Everyone must remember that Walt Disney purchased a LOT of property under pseudo companies to buy the land for WDW without raising suspicion in the late 1960's in Orange County, FL.
Central Florida was just big empty swamp land. This part of Texas has corn fields, cows and a university.
The Waller area is not the 'big city' life. People actually do wear cowboy hats because it is a necessity. I'm not saying everyone is a rancher but you will find the more stereotypical depiction of "Texas" in a smaller town like this. The skyscrapers, congested freeways, big business commerce, hustle & bustle is 1 hour to the east in Houston on Hwy 290.

Hopefully, there will be an 'official announcement' from the Walt Disney Company soon.

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Old 05-24-2013, 09:52 PM   #33
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Setting aside the fact that the source link looks questionable....

Is there a valid reason to look for a Disney park in Texas? Well, yes and no.

On the plus side, the major Disney parks are a 2-day drive away from where I live (in Texas). Well, at least a day and a half. Not only is that a tiring drive, but that eats up precious vacation time. And flying is usually too expensive, especially if you're not going solo. Put those two together, it's hard to justify a trip to Florida or California when time and/or money are an issue. Others in the central US have the same issue: too far to drive, too costly to fly. Travel issues are a major reason that, for some, Disney is a once-in-a-lifetime vacation.

A third central location that puts more people only a day's drive away would make Disney a more likely vacation spot for those of us a little more removed from the resorts. It could be enough of a difference that the ticket sales in a 3rd park would offset the losses for their two current resorts. A site near Houston, specifically, would be close to their Galveston cruises, allowing them to do more of those cruise + park packages.

Now, in the past, I remember reading rumors about mini parks placed throughout the US. They would be too small to compete with the two major resorts, but attract people looking for something a little more local. If there was any truth in these rumors, it's possible they are looking for locations now.

On the down side, I have heard Disney in Texas rumors since I was a kid. Supposedly, Disney owned land somewhere just south of Dallas and was sitting on it until the time was just right to build. From reading others' posts in this thread, the rumor mill clearly has locations in other locations as well. I suppose it's plausible that Disney bought land in these other locations in preparation for these alleged smaller parks, but if so, Disney sure is dragging feet. My guess is it's all untrue.

Moreover, let us be real, shall we? EPCOT needs multiple improvements. And many others have mentioned in the rumor forum that they feel the same about DHS and DAK. If Disney can't commit the bucks to refurbish the park blemishes in Florida, do you think they'll commit to building a full park at another location? Perhaps New Fantasyland in MK is an indication that Disney wishes to improve their Florida parks, but until EPCOT is also improved and DAK has more development, I wouldn't expect a new gate in the States unless it is in Anaheim. This is especially true while they are still working hard to draw people to DL and WDW.

Now if Disney were looking for land for a new park, I'm thinking that they would probably try the same stunt they did for WDW, though it would be even harder to pull off now that the internet has been invented. They'd probably buy land under a pseudonym owned by Disney, not their own big name.

Of course, I'd love a Disney park over here and would go if they built it, but I'm not getting my hopes up, even by wishing on a star
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Old 05-24-2013, 10:08 PM   #34
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The "Disney in Texas" rumor has been around for so many years, I think it qualifies for urban legend status.

Disney does business in all sorts of sectors, not just theme parks and travel, and they buy land for many reasons other than to build theme parks. Sometimes they buy just for investment purposes.
I've been hearing this for years!
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Old 05-24-2013, 10:33 PM   #35
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Well, not an awful location, if you want to be fairly near Houston. It is about 35 miles from the airport, 20 Miles from I-45, 30 miles from I-10. But Disney would be threatening to cancel any project if someone besides the Walt Disney Company made any sort of property sale announcement, and they'd be pressuring that website to come down. Remember the company the released the plans for Bay Lake Tower on their website? Those plans disappeared from the website pretty quickly. I looked up the location on Google Earth.

But, also remember that Disney's prior locations, Disneyland and WDW, were built directly on major interstate highways, Interstate 5 in California and Interstate 4 in Florida. 20 miles from the nearest major freeway intersection is a bit of a stretch to make it a major theme park area, even 6 Flags Fiesta Texas (San Antonio) is right on I-10.
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Everyone must remember that Walt Disney purchased a LOT of property under pseudo companies to buy the land for WDW without raising suspicion in the late 1960's in Orange County, FL.
Central Florida was just big empty swamp land. This part of Texas has corn fields, cows and a university.
The Waller area is not the 'big city' life. People actually do wear cowboy hats because it is a necessity. I'm not saying everyone is a rancher but you will find the more stereotypical depiction of "Texas" in a smaller town like this. The skyscrapers, congested freeways, big business commerce, hustle & bustle is 1 hour to the east in Houston on Hwy 290.

Hopefully, there will be an 'official announcement' from the Walt Disney Company soon.

See article below:
http://wallercountynews.blogspot.com...e-to-land.html

Yes, I am well aware of this, I live in the area. My point was that this is not a small amount of land, and if true this is not the area you build a hotel only (like Aulaini), it would be something much more significant.
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. A site near Houston, specifically, would be close to their Galveston cruises, allowing them to do more of those cruise + park packages.
DCL is pulling out of Galveston at the end of the year
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DCL is pulling out of Galveston at the end of the year
Interesting. I haven't followed their cruise lines all that much. At the cost of one of their cruises, I'd rather just go to WDW. But what you say is another reason to question the rumor about a site in Texas.
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Old 05-25-2013, 04:07 PM   #39
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But back to the real impact of this...to build in texas would be the ultimate form of park cannibalization...while they would gain a local market (to a certain extent...disney's pricing will continue to become more cost prohibitive - just because you have 5 million people within 2 hours...doesn't mean that more than a small percentage can actually AFFORD to go) - any gains would be offset by diverting traffic from Disneyland or WDW.
You can't say that unless you have the AP revenue numbers for SoCal and Florida. A DL Deluxe AP is the same cost as a good price airfare alone from Houston to LAX or MCO. Being in Houston, we could go multiple times a year for the same cost as round trip airfare to either of the other 2 parks instead of going once every 2-3 years. Another number you would need is how many lower income families go for 1-3 days because they live w/i an affordable drive to the other 2 parks that couldn't do it otherwise? Then you need to know if guests can get there for hundred$ or thousand$ less how much of that do they spend on Disney luxuries, food, and merchandise instead of with an airline?

There 6 million people w/i 2 hours of that location, go to 3 hours and you pick up another 2 million from the Austin metro area, take that to 4 hours and you pick up over 2-3 million more with San Antonio and the southern Dallas suburbs. 5-6 hours and you can pick up the whole DFW metroplex's 7 million. Not a whole lot of mid America locations with ~ 20 million people w/i a 5-6 hour drive with suitable year around weather.

I too am doubtful it will happen. I was just pointing that locale has a lot more rational reasons than most of the rumored sites. local population size, weather, 2 local airports(Austin's Bergstrom airport would be 2 hours away for 3rd), Latin American travel hub, east-west and north-south interstate intersection w/i 1 hour, plentiful labor, cruise terminals, one of the top hotel restaurant management programs at UH, etc.

I would think if it ever happens it would only be a Disneyland type property plus a water park only and not a WDW. Then there is still a pull to go to WDW.

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Old 05-25-2013, 04:19 PM   #40
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it would need to be big enough to complete with 6 Flags over Texas (might make them step their park)

I would get to go more often if it is made - something along the lines of DL would be wonderful - would still want to go to WDW to see AK
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DCL is pulling out of Galveston at the end of the year
That's what I had heard, too.

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You can't say that unless you have the AP revenue numbers for SoCal and Florida. A DL Deluxe AP is the same cost as a good price airfare alone from Houston to LAX or MCO. Being in Houston, we could go multiple times a year for the same cost as round trip airfare to either of the other 2 parks instead of going once every 2-3 years. Another number you would need is how many lower income families go for 1-3 days because they live w/i an affordable drive to the other 2 parks that couldn't do it otherwise? Then you need to know if guests can get there for hundred$ or thousand$ less how much of that do they spend on Disney luxuries, food, and merchandise instead of with an airline?

There 6 million people w/i 2 hours of that location, go to 3 hours and you pick up another 2 million from the Austin metro area, take that to 4 hours and you pick up over 2-3 million more with San Antonio and the southern Dallas suburbs. 5-6 hours and you can pick up the whole DFW metroplex's 7 million. Not a whole lot of mid America locations with 17 million people w/i a 5-6 hour drive with suitable year around weather.

I too am doubtful it will happen. I was just pointing that locale has a lot more rational reasons than most of the rumored sites. local population size, weather, 2 local airports(Austin's Bergstrom airport would be 2 hours away for 3rd), Latin American travel hub, east-west and north-south interstate intersection w/i 1 hour, plentiful labor,cruise terminals, etc.

I would think if it ever happens it would only be a Disneyland type property plus a water park only and not a WDW. Then there is still a pull to go to WDW.
I like your take and you have great points.

But i know that what TWDC wants to avoid at all costs is setting up "competing" markets where people would have two viable options.

If in texas...that would set up this scenario for say...phoenix? denver?
on the other side New Orleans? Nashville? Maybe Atlanta? or even better...Chicago - where it would now be a push between what's "easier" to get too...

They don't want to duplicate and offer choices...they want to make you committ that you - as an individual - HAVE to go to a specific spot once a year (or preferably more than once) and if you feel the need to go out west/east...then you make that a special trip and fit it AROUND your normal spot.

Crazy? yeah...but that is exactly how they see themselves and their place in your home/wallet.

So putting something "centrally" located would be counter productive to them.

they did toy with this...if you recall...when eisner tried to get a spot in Virginia. He was kinda rouge in that...as he had built up alot of corporate clout after the hot streak he was on and he just wanted something close to the east coast/ northeast (he was a new yorker)...

but even that was a different scenario because of the country's "guts" of population and heavily so money is still concentrated on the east coast.

As far "all the people" they could bring in to Texas...which is a merit...heck, they should put it in Brooklyn...which has 30 million within two hours of it and about 70 million within 5...including New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Washington and Baltimore...that's practically like the Freedom Trail

But again...i can see some sort of texas development someday...but much smaller than even disneyland...maybe a specialty type minipark and a schlitterbahn.
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I likewise would question any of the information on a blog that obviously has an axe to grind with people...

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But Disney would be threatening to cancel any project if someone besides the Walt Disney Company made any sort of property sale announcement, and they'd be pressuring that website to come down.
If the deal wasn't done, it could be sunk by such a thing. I've seen movie deals vaporize because one side said they were making a movie based on such-and-such before the deal was signed.

As for DisneyQuest, wasn't Chicago a miserable failure and basically scrapped the whole concept? Doubtful Disney wants to get into that space. They killed ESPN Zones more recently which were a similar concept, except for a couple franchised units where the owners licensed the names.

Resort? Well, the DC Resort was a non-starter. I think the dream of the small resort-parks is dead.

I think the biggest argument against another park in the U.S. is that it would cannibalize guests from the existing parks more than the existing two do from each other. They'd have to do it in an area less served by the existing parks, which might mean up north - but then contend with weather issues. If anyone could pull off a 24x7 park up north I expect it would be Disney, but there are still travel issues, etc.

And if they ever did it again, they'd probably want the same autonomy they have in Florida - and that could be a tough sell to any jurisdiction these days.
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I used to live in that exact area they are referring too and Disney has been rumored to be building there for 20 years that I know of personally and supposedly the early 80s was the first time the rumor started. I don't think it's true Although it would be awesome if it was!
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Weather-wise it is a good location. It's also just north of one of the fastest growing areas in the country. Close to a major airport and some other top destinations.

HOWEVER, there is family with the last name Disney (no relation) who own massive amounts of land in the area. I'm pretty sure that te family is doing something with there land and someone jumped to conclusions. It's a blog, not a reputable news source.

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